I grew up in a strict Pentecostal church, and never had to spend money to get deeper in that faith. Yes, you paid a tithes, but nothing else was forced to be bought. A true religion/Christianity is about love. Being a better person, not dividing families and draining them of their bank account. The family issues; if someone in our religion decided to leave the church, you would show them more love, and be a shining example to win them back. Not cut them off... I am only three episodes in, and I am blown away how such wealthy people could be so brainwashed into staying in this crap.
Manbeargaga, The crap I was talking about was the "forced" spending on furthering your journey, and the "dividing" of the families if one leaves the group. You had a great time blasting the Pentecostal church, why not the wacko beliefs from Scientology also? I said I grew up in that religion, I am no longer in it. But it was a loving religion. Unlike whatever you believe (or not). Sounds like you just feel superior to people who simply believe different than you.
The JW's are definitely strange. They make you stand up in front of the congregation to confess the terrible thing you've done, then they give you the boot. I've heard horror stories from ex Jehovah's Witnesses.
Yeah, that playing with rattlesnakes is really nuts. I've heard people speaking in tongues in Baptist churches. I'm still not sure if it's real or if the person is acting.
I was raised as a JW and never saw anything like this. I don't follow that religion for my own reasons but this is not one of them. But I've heard people in several religions tell different stories. I guess each Kinkdom Hall/Church does things different.
I don't think it has to do with each Kingdom Hall, but I know for a fact it happens. Then, after a person is disfellowshipped, they're shunned by JW's, friends and family. It destroys families.
Before you flip out on me and start talking in toungs while handling snakes as Pentecostal do...
Short-attention span WINNER! The OP wrote:
I said I grew up in that religion, I am no longer in it.
BTW, it's tongues, and Pentecostals. Someone as smart as you should be able to utilize a browser with spellcheck. Also, how would you know he was talking in tongues or handling snakes on an Internet message board? True genius at work here.
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I definitely feel Remini still believes in, at least some, of the teachings of Scientology. I notice that she chooses her words carefully.
That's likely the case. As the saying goes, even a broken clock is right twice a day. I've never read any of the books, but for example if there is a principle in it that says to treat other people decently, then who would be against that?
Her words also could be on advice of legal counsel (certain words NOT to say). According to some members here the "church" uses a lot of lawyers.
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Would you like *my* honest thoughts/opinions on that...or are you being hateful and mean like all your other post to me?
I'm really not sure how you and I ended up being so hateful and ugly to each other. I sincerely apologize to you if I hurt your feelings/pissed you off in regards to AHS. But, I do watch Teen Mom and kill kittens at least twice a day.
I'm gonna give you the Truth®, straight up: ALL religions are about money.
Scientology is just more honest about it than most, like the Catholic/Orthodox Churches, Mormons, Jewish synagogues, etc that require annual tithing based on earned household income. The synagogues are actually far worse than any Christian church, because you have to be fairly affluent to be able to afford annual membership plus the additional costs of paying for tickets for seats during the High Holy Days, and most Jews (in spite of stereotypes) aren't able to afford them -- the synagogues claim it's because of limited seating and the even more limited number of temples in each regin, which is true, and which is why poor and working class religious Jews are increasingly under pressure to immigrate to Israel where they don't have this nonsense.
But here's the thing that most anti-Scientology types don't get: it's actually a GOOD thing that Scientology is super expensive!
If Scientology was at all affordable to the average Joe & Jane, they would have many thousands more members than they do now. From the 1950s to 1980, the cost of Scientology training and auditing was negligible and before the mid-to-late 1970s, most people got their auditing free of charge because there were so many auditors getting trained and not enough preclears (people who receive auditing, which today is the most ridiculously expensive way of doing Scientology) to audit.
The current pricing structure in Scientology was set between 1980-1984 after David Miscavige led the Sea Org takeover of Scientology's international management, and prices were raised again after 1986 when Miscavige became the sole undisputed leader of Scientology. Today it costs, on average, somewhere between $250,000 (if you do only the minimum required services) to $400,000 (if you choose to do everything, including optional rundowns like Super Power and the Ls) to do the so-called "Bridge to Total Freedom". Before the 1980s, adjusting for inflation, we're talking about a mere fraction of that amount, and like I mentioned before, even if you couldn't shell out any money to get trained as an auditor, you could always get the Bridge free of charge from student auditors.
Whenever you hear of wealthy Scientologists like Jason Beghe or Leah Remini getting "free" auditing (there is no such thing as "free" in Scientology anymore), its always student auditors. The one exception to this is Tom Cruise, who is probably the only person in Scientology who has never been audited by any students or novices.
Long story short, you won't find any religion that doesn't revolve around money. Even those you think may be different, like the Buddhists or the Falun Gong or whatever, still require cold hard cash, for the simple reason that anything we do as humans requires money. It's basic economics, from Adam Smith down to Karl Marx. Everything in life can be broken down to economics.
mestashere, Small local churches (like what I grew up in) have tithes simply to keep the church going (you do have to have "some" money to run) AND most important to help the community's needy (what they are meant to do, NOT the government) Yes, these churches still do exist. If Scientology was affordable WHY would families want to be torn apart as soon as one of them decide to leave?? If I had a family in a cult like that I would do my best to get them out. You sound like you are of that cult to think it is good. It cost nothing but to own a Bible in the other religions, and a Bible will gladly be given to you, not force you to buy it. I am not for any "too big for it's own good" religious church or group. When something or someone gets to big and has too much power, it does "control" it's followers. but don't have a hardened heart to think there are none of the good ones left. I no longer go to the church I grew up in, due to moving. But I have moved back and all have a welcoming and loving attitude toward me. I see all the good they do for the needy in our area. So I will gladly defend them. And there is NO comparison between them and Scientology.
A lot churches in my country are not just about money, the church my aunt goes doesn't even ask for tithes, if you want to give it then fine, if you can't then no problem.
Also they do ask for a small "donation" after a bible study that are most just coins or a couple of dollar at most, IF you can and want to. They never force anyone to give them money, not even $1, and they don't judge you either, usually the small donations are used to rent a bus that takes the people to the main church on sunday, I mean half of those people use the bus for free and you can see the little money collected are actually used for their own people.
We know that churches need money to pay for their stuff and the parishioners know this and donate small amounts of money, in other words you give what you can and want, and that is not bad, when you say "all religions are about money" it's like that's something wrong and it is not, they have needs too, a lot of religious leaders are really helping people, not everyone is a monster imposing fees to people. I mean can you imagine anyone charging you to give you a study of each book of the bible? That going from Genesis to the Apocalypse would cost you $400,000? That's insane.
The majority of Scientologists are not wealthy. Remini mentioned that they take out person loans, open new credit cards, mortgage their homes, or anything it takes to get the money.
There is NO church that can run without money from it's members. Tithes and offerings are used to keep the church running and/or pay the pastor.
The majority of Scientologists are not wealthy. Remini mentioned that they take out person loans, open new credit cards, mortgage their homes, or anything it takes to get the money.
That part seemed so bizarre to me! My Christian church teaches that most debt is bad and they do all kinds of things to help people get out of debt, be able to buy a home, etc. They offer financial classes, group events for families at a discounted rate, free babysitting on designated dated nights, etc.
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Many years ago I visited a church of a friend. When the time came for the offering, the pastor said he didn't want money that made noise, meaning no coins. I put my $5 back in my wallet, and put a quarter in the collection plate. In the early 80's I went to a few services at what is now called Ever Increasing Faith Ministries, conducted by Fred Price. When it was time for the offering, he told us to give generously because his wife needed a new Cadillac! This time I didn't leave a penny and I never went back.
I've also visited church's that do the same thing as your church, which is the way I feel it should be. Taking advantage of people is despicable.
These stories from former members of Scientology are certainly frightening, and I do know someone who started in Scientology but left pretty early on and even he was pressured for quite a while. However, what people who follow other religions seem incapable of recognizing is that the three major Abrahamic based religions all use fear to keep people in line. All of that Satan/burn in hell talk is there for a reason, and it certainly seems like intimidation.
In the late 70's, my friend met with two Scientologists. They held her in a room for 2 hours, and wouldn't let her leave. She was shaken up for months.
Last week I heard a commentary on how Jehovah's Witnesses are being persecuted in Russia. While I decry religious persecution, I'm not sure the commentator understands what a cult JW is. When you take a bunch of misguided people who are in an oppressive regime, they are setting themselves up for punishment. Seriously, these people must want to be martyred if they can't simply dial back their behavior. I really dislike JW just as much as Scientology, except maybe for the $$ aspect.
I think most churches are about money - for better or worse. Thing is, how much money you contribute is up to you. Most members are adults, so if you spend aka waste thousands of dollars, that's on you. But what Scientology asks of its followers goes beyond tithing and money in general. It's about how it asks its members to treat each other that is horrifying.