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Ugh! It’s a musical?!


Just went to go watch it in opening night. Maybe I just missed it in the trailer, but i don’t recall seeing any indication that this movie is a musical. I strongly dislike musicals (unless it’s a Disney Princess film), but at least this movie isn’t like Los Miserables (where the whole movie is literally a song) and it’s only a musical number here and there. It was tolerable, but I would’ve thought twice about watching it if I would’ve known this. At least the songs provided well-timed restroom breaks during the movies, which I took advantage of.

You’ve been warned.

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What did you get up to in the restroom?

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I went to go pee and to refill my popcorn during the songs.

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good question..... i would think every male that pay money to see this movie goes to the restroom for gay anal intercourse.

there is no other way.

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It wasn't necessarily a full musical.

There were some songs in it. But there were songs in the 1974 version too.

Admittedly, there's a few more here. But I wouldn't say the entire film was singing.

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Had you seen the previous Wonka movies?

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They weren't musical numbers like this, where the entire cast joined in like a choreographed stage performance. When Gene was singing Pure imagination, the rest of the cast stayed in character and went about their business.

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That's hardly a distinction that proscribes this film and its original musical numbers.

As it happens. He sings Pure Imagination by himself and to himself in this movie too.

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So something happening once, as an obvious homage, negates the remainder to be true? lol, ok
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Negates what? Your arbitrary rule that Wonka can't be seen singing and dancing with people, only in front of them?

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I didn't make any rules, I simply accurately compared the actions of one movie against the other. I'm sorry if my being correct hurt your feelings. Also, it doesn't make you sound smarter when you use words you don't know the meaning of. Maybe Google "proscribe" before using it again.

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Why mention it as a caveat then?

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🤣 I didn't, you're using words incorrectly again. I'm starting to think you're doing it intentionally.

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Oh so this was just an idle observation with no qualifying intent?

They weren't musical numbers like this, where the entire cast joined in like a choreographed stage performance. When Gene was singing Pure imagination, the rest of the cast stayed in character and went about their business.


Yeah? And? So what?

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https://deadline.com/2023/12/box-office-wonka-1235669099/

Again — a great result for a musical after the genre’s funk post Covid, and the studio intentionally didn’t sell Wonka as one in trailers. Why? Apparently test audience focus groups hate musicals and the only way to get people into the theater when it comes to them is to trick ’em. If they get tricked, and they like it, then business is solid for a studio on a musical.

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Thanks. Best answer I’ve read in this thread.

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Well, the main lead is a somewhat feminine man, so I think it is mainly targeting a female audience.

Not that many movies are targeting men these days.

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I would say more accurately it's targeting families. And it's also targeting those who grew up with the original film. I'm a middle-aged man who saw the original film as a kid and so I went to see this one. (Though I also enjoy a fun family movie, regardless of prior connections.)

I also think it's interesting that from your perspective what women want to see are "somewhat feminine men" rather than masculine men.

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masculine men

How many prominent actors under 50 do you know could be described as that off the top of your head?

Is there anyone under 40?

And what does that say?

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I agree that things aren't like they were in the 80s and 90s, but I can think of a few actors under 50 who I would describe as masculine. For instance:

Chris Hemsworth (40)
Taylor Kitsch (42 . . . and also an underrated performer)
Sam Worthington (47)
Michael B. Jordan (36)
Chris Pratt (44)
Tom Hardy (46)
Henry Cavill (40)
Jason Mamoa (44)
Dylan O'Brien (32)

I'm also going to say Tom Holland (27). He's obviously not a physically big guy like Arnold or Van Damme were back in the day, but he keeps himself in great shape, can do action, and I don't think his demeanor or mannerisms come off as feminine at all.

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I will give you Chris Hemsworth and Henry Cavill, the rest I don't think so.

I have to check to see who they are, so I don't consider them as prominent.

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Well Sam Worthington is the star of the Avatar films, so I would have to say that that alone makes him prominent. Not that those films are good, but they both WERE huge. He also starred in Terminator Salvation and Clash of the Titans, and he had a meaningful role in the highly-underrated Everest.

Michael B. Jordan stars in the Creed series. I'd think if you know Stallone, you'd know Jordan.

Chris Pratt. I mean, do you really not know who he is?

Jason Mamoa . . . Aquaman? Game of Thrones S1? He was also in Dune and Fast X and he starred in the Conan the Barbarian reboot film a little while back.

Tom Hardy. You don't know him by name? Inception, Mad Max: Fury Road, Warrior, The Dark Knight Rises?

Tom Holland is Spider-Man and he also co-starred with Mark Wahlberg in Uncharted.

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Chris Pratt. I mean, do you really not know who he is?

Jason Mamoa . . . Aquaman?

I never thought that much of Chris Pratt, I do have to search to see who he is. I know once I saw his face, but never really thought that much of him as an actor. I never saw a movie because he was in the cast.

Do you really consider Jason Mamoa as a prominent actor?

But not Chris Evans? I really thought you would at least put his name on the list, though I consider him more muscular than masculine.

Tom Holland let's be fair is not masculine, and I think he is representative of what younger generation of actors are, more "gender neutral", yeah, I think that is the word I am going to use.

And I think that answers your question, no, I don't think female audience these days really want to see masculine men, otherwise I think there would have been more of them.

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I thought about Chris Evans but ultimately I agree with your assessment: He is more muscular than masculine. He also, as himself, has made some very off-putting comments that make it hard to respect him. If not for the latter he may have made the list.

In regard to Pratt, if you really want to gain respect for him as an actor watch an episode of Parks and Rec back-to-back with an episode of The Terminal List and see the transition from comedic goofball to dead-serious Navy Seal.

I don't agree with your assessment of Holland, but I don't think you have to be huge, grizzled and bearded to be masculine. I think he's relatively small in stature and has young features and a young-sounding voice, but what can he do about that? He's got a pretty good physique and carries himself well and doesn't come across like, say, Timothy Chalumet (a guy I'd truly say comes off as "gender-neutral").

As for whether Mamoa is a prominent actor, I guess we have to determine what "prominent" is. He's had major roles in several big-budget projects and he also was the star of a movie that made over a billion dollars (Aquaman). Most people who watch films and TV regularly know him by name and I think a lot of other people would at least recognize his face if they saw a picture.

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I don't agree with your assessment of Holland, but I don't think you have to be huge, grizzled and bearded to be masculine.

Well, in spider-man he was more of a man child, and man child I think is very in these days.

Like Barney as in "How I met your mother" and Sheldon in "The big bang theory" are the other examples, they were both big hits with women.

I think Kens in the recent Barbie movie are what women want to see in men these days, they are literally gender neutral.

Then again that was just my impression.

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I didn't see Barbie and I never watched How I Met Your Mother or The Big Bang Theory but I'm pretty sure I get what you're saying.

I don't disagree with your assessment of Spider-Man but that is kind of the nature of the character and he was very young when he was cast. For me, it was seeing him in Uncharted where I felt like I was beginning to see a more adult, grown-up Tom Holland emerge and where I began to think that if he continues on he could be a solid action star. We'll see where he is in his development in five and ten years.

I just looked up his filmography to see what he has upcoming and apparently he has been cast as Fred Astaire in a Fred Astaire biopic. That seems very strange to me but I'm really interested to see how that works out.



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I didn't know either.

Soon as he started singing, I turned it off. Nope.

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