I won't even go into the courtroom errors, but can someone explain how we went from the "not guilty" verdict to police cars showing up at the other parents house presumably to arrest the mother?
What additional evidence did they uncover that was revealed in trial (the kid refused to disclose) that put him on trial instead of the mother? She had the necklace.
And why was "Dr Bull" there? No capito.
Bull realized in the courtroom the husband was the secret Homosexual lover the kid was with on the night of the murder.
then went back to the way the mother was way overprotective of the daughter, and the comment "we always hoped they'd (the defendant and her daughter) end up together.
Coupled with the look she gave the Kid in the courtroom after the trial was over led Dr Bull to surmise she was the actual Killer, and he presented his suspicions to the cops, and bada Bing, Bada Boom, we wrap up the night with a successful "Here's your Killer"
I would have been happier wondering who done it. but the writers and director decided I guess they HAD to wrap up that little tidbit.
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I would have left the cops coming to the door out of it and instead ended on the mother looking at the necklace. That way we the audience would have known "who done it" but the cops and Bull knowing would have been left out of it.
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So basically the police acted without any real evidence and brought him along just for the heck of it.
shareIn the original pilot, the show ended with the mother closing the box. That was one of the things they changed from the original to the aired version. I suppose someone decided that the first episode should have some resolution?
"Tell me you've got something better than agitated nuns." - Gibbs
I think her closing the box was resolution in that it let the audience know who the killer was without having "Bull" figure it out.
All in all I liked the episode but I would have changed a few other things besides reverting back to the original ending
- The body washing up in the Bahamas. Made no sense that the trial was in New York. Should have had it wash up on long island
- The millennial's name - Cable is just too on the nose and precious.
I don't think they mentioned the 3 PhDs last night so I am hoping that is dropped. It is obvious Bull is in charge. No reason to amp up his resume to that point.
Yes, the NY trial made no sense to me either. Even if it washed up in Long Island, that would be Nassau or Suffolk County trials, not New York County (Manhattan).
Cable is very precious though.
The 3 PhDs were edited out, as was Chunk's intro, and some additional interplay when Benny was describing Bull's reaction to his divorce, along with a few other things. The intro with the 5 lawyers was totally reshot.
"Tell me you've got something better than agitated nuns." - Gibbs
And why was "Dr Bull" there? No capito.
It implied that Bull was the one who told the cops who the real killer was. Because he knows people so well, he doesn't need that silly thing called evidence that mere mortals depend on.
I am sorry, Bull would not be there regardless. He would have presented his weak "evidence" (of glances and comments) to the police and they would investigate and make an arrest. Not roll up the same night with him in the car.
shareI am sorry, Bull would not be there regardless.
that whole final scene where an entire squad of heavily armed policemen storm the house was just plain silly!
they were there to arrest a woman for murder - not take down one of the FBI's 10 Most Wanted OR an internationally known drug lord!
and, of course, not only is Bull a whiz at reading people for jury selection, but we now learn he can figure out who the real murderer is!
how "Columbo" of him!
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Having not been spoon fed, I came to the conclusion that Brandon told Bull who he was with that night. That information along with observing the mother's obvious social climbing ways led him to her as the killer of the young woman she saw as an obstical to HER own happiness. Her daughter was just a means to an end. A future divorce would have led, in her mind, to a huge payout that she'd find a way to benefit from.
All her "perfect for each other" talk was total, if you'll pardon the pun, total bull.
Dr Jason Bull: Don't give up on people, they're all we've got.
That's basically what I got from it, too, NewBeginnings16. Things aren't that hard to figure out just because the episode doesn't shove everything down your throat. TBH I enjoy things like that. I was shocked by the ending and glad they cleared it up. I don't want to be left wondering "who did it" but thanks to Bull (his training and study of human behavior) he was able to give the police a possible new lead, which turned out to be the real killer.
shareAnd then tag along on the arrest. Right.
shareSuspension of disbelief. This isn't a documentary.
Dr Jason Bull: Don't give up on people, they're all we've got.
Yes, I know. Perpetual suspension. Right.
shareJust like in darned near every other show on TV. NOW it matters even for the small stuff? He came along for the ride - yes, not what would happen in real life, but not worthy of picking at to the degree you seem to be hanging on to it. I would think someone who watches zombie shows and shows with dragons, something this minor wouldn't even matter. Chocolate/vanilla - don't eat it if you don't like it.
"Tell me you've got something better than agitated nuns." - Gibbs
I liked the ending. And particularly that they didn't drag us through the details of finding the real killer. I guess this thread proves that people like to be spoon fed all the details. Probably from years of watching procedurals.
It's not what a movie is about, it's how it is about it.
RIP Roger Ebert
Uh, no, quite the opposite. It is the issue of "evidence". You cannot arrest based on glances and comments.
shareI guess this thread proves that people like to be spoon fed all the details.
Me? No. Things just need to make sense.
shareSorry for the confusion. I was quoting the guy above you who equates pointing out plot problems with needing to be spoon fed. That is lame.
Lame? How long do you want every episode to be? BTW if want this to be Castle or the like, watch those shows.
It's not what a movie is about, it's how it is about it.
RIP Roger Ebert
It actually could have been shorter if they didn't tack on that cop-out ending.
But once they did tack in on, THEY beg the question of how did that transpire. And anyone with critical reasoning skills would naturally wonder the same.
BTW, tell me more about Castle since you incorrectly assume I've seen it.
Brandon didn't tell Bull. It was the smoldering looks across the courtroom. It was more obvious then t-shirts that say "I'm with Stupid" and "Stupid". Then all the pieces fell into place. I sorta suspected the mom, but that clinched it. (Actually, the very first time we met "dad" I wondered why this woman was married to a gay dude. When Brandon wouldn't tell in court I figured he was with the other dad. Some really sick family dynamics going on there.)
I think what most people found odd was the storming cops and Bull on the street looking up at the murderer in the window. Jury consultants don't often get to accompany cops on an arrest; it usually only takes a couple of cops to serve an arrest warrant. It was just more of "too much" that I hope they tone down a bit.
"Smoldering looks" is not evidence.
And jury consultants never go along on an arrest. The arrest has already occurred long before they come into the picture.
Oh, I agree. The comment was made in response to someone saying that Brandon told Bull who he was with that evening. That just isn't so, Bull caught the interactive between the two and added up the column and got mom as murderer. Why he was there during the arrest, other than for dramatic flair, I don't know.
shareExactly, nasloranger. I was already on the fence about continuing to watch the show when that ending rolled up and knocked me completely off the fence and into a pile of steaming manure, which saved me from investing any more of my time in that kind of inanity. Unbelievably stupid.
shareI was hoping for something better than this but I hope Michael can find something else cuz this one just isn't going to make it.
shareI am glad you mentioned "Columbo", now that was a well written show!!
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