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S1/ E2: The Woman In 8-D - A Few Notes - Spoiler Alert

posted 8 years ago by NewBeginnings16
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* Current case. Song writer trying to get credit for a song he spent years writing. A plane crash case comes a callin'.

* Watching the cold open is harder the 2nd time around because i really looked at the passengers faces.

* Regarding using US Marshals footage. It was about 10 seconds. Definitely more cost effective to use existing footage than it is to create all new footage.

* Saved! Marissa makes the first gender assumption by assuming the lawyer is the pilot.

* Jerk lawyer #2. Hope they don't make this so every week.
Seems he wants her to be found guilty.

* Ground crew guy also thought Taylor was the co-pilot.

* Michael/Bull really looked like RJ Wagner when he was in the pilot's uniform. Bull is a pilot.

* Changed variable changes verdict. Team has their work cut out for them in getting the real jury to not find Taylor guilty based on her gender.

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* Good point. Tiny iPhone holds massive data. Black box only last 30 minutes.

* Wayne Newton! LOL

* Arse! Lawyer having Cable go get him coffee. Serves him right (rats that he didn't take a sip)

* Heisman trophy possibility - didn't work out.

* HER lawyer is really pushing for the settlement. Why?
He thinks she killed her passengers.
AH HA. If he gets her to settlement his firm gets more money.

* "Dr Bull, you're a piece of work". Yes he is and thank goodness for that.

* First pro-bono case. I'm very glad it's not all going to be rich clients.
Benny, the lawyer on the team is going to be hers.

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* Benny only been with TAC for a year. Was a prosecutor. Fired. But why.
We don't find out yet.

* Bull wearing an earwig so he can be fed information from Cable and Marissa.

* Was that real?
3 black teenagers
3 white teenagers.
Very different search results.

* Mr Varney.
Wouldn't know gender bias if it was full-frontal in front of him.
Is stuck by the defense.

* Storm chaser knows wind shear. But how will he go?
So few strikes yet would he be better or worse than their remaining choices.
They take their chances.

* I think the description of what the team does will fade away as the series moves forward.

* I should have picked it up. NO deaths on the ground.

* Prosecution deliberately leaves out that once wind shear hits, there IS no control of the plane.

* BIG WRONG by the NTSB guy (and the writer of the episode unless they wanted to ignore the real world). Taylor's was NOT the 1st crash with a female pilot at the controls. ValuJet. In the Florida everglades. May 11, 1996. No survivors.

* Batting practice as a stress reliever.

* Ah. The wife's issue.
Believes her husband was having an affair with Taylor, who denies it.

* Taylor ready to settle.

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* Cable could give McGee a run for his money.

* Woman in 8-D. Threw herself at the co-pilot (Ken). Probably his mistress. She took several flights and he was the co-pilot each time.

* Why didn't Taylor speak up?

* Taylor looking out over the Hudson (and plane in the air) when Bull approaches her. Assume deliberate to allude to Captain Sullivan's water landing.

* Love seeing the World Trade Center building.

* Mock jury (post being presented with Ken's possible distraction) found her not guilty.
She still won't throw him under the bus.

* A way to jog her memory.
Flight simulator with data from the plane and footage of the ground.

* Bull takes the co-pilot seat.
Communication between the ground and the plane is what happened that day.
Wind sheer. Struggling Taylor brings the plane closer to the airport. She changes protocol "Bull" calls her on it. She gives order. He follows it. Mutters to herself "5 more seconds". Plane flies over populated area. Automated system tells her to "pull up".
Wind shear made it impossible for the plane to recover. It was going to crash no matter what. Her "5 more seconds" took the plane to a wooded area. Her actions saved lives on the ground.
Jury needs to hear this.

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* Jury being shown the simulator footage - with the ground.

* Love Benny directly pointing out that Taylor went against protocol.

* She was willing to die with her crew and passengers to save lives on the ground.

* They have (the mirror jury) all but 2.
Benny struggling with his closing.

* Chunk sent to Benny by Bull. Never really matters in Mock Court because you can try and try again. In actual court he only gets one chance.
Character information: Chunk is gay. Rumor going around when he played football for Georgia but because he played so hard no one thought it was him. They found out their "mistake" at their 10 year reunion.
Benny gets something from this that's helpful.

* 3 pictures tell a story.
kids getting bullied. One fights back.
Who confronted the bully - gave black eye?
Most vote for kid in blue short - a boy.
Wrong - girl in red shirt.
In a gentle way the jury is schooled in their own gender bias.

* Wish we'd heard the closing arguments of the prosecution.

* Not guilt of gross negligence.

* Wife of co-pilot okay now - was she told about 8D?

* Celebration in TAC's court.
Indication that Benny will be client lawyer more often which means more pro-bono.

* Guitar gift from the song writing client at the beginning of the episode indicating Bull got him a win.

* Airline settled with the families - double what they would if Taylor had been found guilty.

* Bull and Marissa (the "parents"?) looking on their celebrating team.
Bull asks her about his team. They're right where he wants them - here.

* Will we find out who the tall young man who Bull spoke to as he was walking over to Marissa is? (missed his name)

* Song: Best Days of My Life by American Authors.

Dr Jason Bull: Don't give up on people, they're all we've got.

[–] ariesgirlgo 8 years ago

I like your new format. Thanks for the summary! As I read it I got to thinking how many little tidbits of information they threw into one episode/case about human nature. You can really see how people's prejudices and beliefs govern who they gravitate to and how they react in the presidential election this year. Reminds me of that old joke...my mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts!

[–] NewBeginnings16 8 years ago

Thanks Ariesgirlgo.

This is actually my old format - the one I did before mid season 6 of NCIS when it morphed into the massive recap.

Dr Jason Bull: Don't give up on people, they're all we've got.

[–] ariesgirlgo 8 years ago

Oh, I didn't realize that. I actually never read message boards until a couple of years ago so when I started, you were writing your "novel" about the show. :)

Some days I wonder why I read some of these message boards. I enjoy the show very much and I do wonder what show some of these people are watching.

[–] samnotsob-43670 8 years ago

Some days I wonder why I read some of these message boards. I enjoy the show very much and I do wonder what show some of these people are watching.

I wonder the same thing, many times I have to go back and watch it again to see what there're talking about, and usually there're wrong, I also should stop reading some of this dreck, but I like Newbe's posts, I miss a lot but when I read her posts it makes more sense.

Do they still call it an elevator when it goes down?

[–] Seleya8 8 years ago

Good obs! Thanks!

* Taylor looking out over the Hudson (and plane in the air) when Bull approaches her. Assume deliberate to allude to Captain Sullivan's water landing.

When he was being interviewed for the anniversary of his Hudson landing, Sully mentioned advising a tv show. I can't help but wonder if it was for this episode of Bull. I wish I could remember which interview it was, but it was recent and the timing and subject matter make sense. It's Sullenberger, btw.

It was a good episode, and the reveal about why she did what she did was unexpected, but made sense once you heard it - especially since she was a fighter pilot. I'm loving the little reveals about the rest of the team, and how they interact together.

"Tell me you've got something better than agitated nuns." - Gibbs

[–] retxed25 8 years ago

The woman in 8D was Ken's mistress. They broke up on the air. It just seemed to the passengers that she was throwing herself to him when he went to the bathroom. They didn't know he was having an affair with her.

And what is up with an airline pilot not being able to afford her own lawyer???

[–] NewBeginnings16 8 years ago

Airline pilots don't make as much as you'd think they would. The glory days of it being a very well-paying job are long over. The top salaried ones with decades of experience still make less than $200,000 per year.

Although Taylor was an experienced fighter pilot she's probably at the lower rungs of being a commercial pilot (would have needed more training to fly a passenger plane).

Dr Jason Bull: Don't give up on people, they're all we've got.

[–] retxed25 8 years ago

Okay. But I think that was the East River she was looking at not the Hudson.

[–] cosmic_surveyor 8 years ago

Not so trivial info:
Female captain who crashed in Florida had a stint at becoming an air traffic controller. She loved flying more. Fire in the cargo hold from unsafe objects never gave her a chance.

Wind shear is survivable. After the Dallas crash from wind shear, a trained response/protocol to such an event was developed. Survivability depends on the altitude and distance from the airport when the event occurs.

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[–] NewBeginnings16 8 years ago

Thanks cosmic.

Yes, the ValuJet crash was due to mishandling of those canisters. Everyone on that plane was, to me, murdered.

Thanks too for the info about which body of water that was. My total experience with NYC is flying into and out of Kennedy Airport twice.

Dr Jason Bull: Don't give up on people, they're all we've got.

[–] barodabulldog 8 years ago

It's nice to see you doing summaries again.

[–] slad47 8 years ago

Great recap!
^ Gross negligence - if the jury decided she wasn't grossly negligent. why would the airline pay double. Gross negligence adds in punitive damages on top of the compensatory damages. No gross negligence no punitive damages.
^ Verdict - a not guilty verdict in a civil case- really! even Judge Judy knows better.
^ US Marshals crash footage - shows the fuselage intact in the river. Thought the plane crashed in the woods.
^ Nosecone - the TV reporter refers to that part of the aircraft where the pilots are located as a nosecone. I believe it is called the cockpit.

[–] seldon913 8 years ago

1. The paying double doesn't really make sense. Even if she was found guilty of gross negligence, she's still an employee of the airline at the time of the crash.

2. It wasn't a civil case. Gross negligence was a criminal charge with prison time at stake.

4. The cockpit is contained within the nosecone.

[–] retxed25 8 years ago

No, her lawyer said she's been charged with gross negligence and if if she were to lose in court, she may be facing criminal charges. This was a civil case.

[–] kerryw-95-376151 8 years ago

I think the airline settled for more because they didn't want it to get out that they were willing to throw the pilot under the bus in order to pay the families less. If that information came out at the civil trial those jurors probably would have made the airline pay substantially.

[–] readerf61 8 years ago

The airline was redirecting all the anger from the families, to the pilot. Yes, she was their employee, but <shrug> what can we do? We try to hire good people, but if they can't handle all kinds of crisis, well, not *really* our fault. When it became clear the pilot made an excellent decision and was actually a hero, the anger and demand for retribution was once again directed at the airline. So they had to pay more.

I could be wrong, but that was my thought.

[–] dirtyoldhawg 8 years ago

by slad47 »

^ Gross negligence - if the jury decided she wasn't grossly negligent. why would the airline pay double. Gross negligence adds in punitive damages on top of the compensatory damages. No gross negligence no punitive damages.
^ Verdict - a not guilty verdict in a civil case- really! even Judge Judy knows better.

The Airline would pay more if it were determined that they (or one of their agents i.e., a pilot or co pilot was the at fault cause of the crash and death which appears to be the case here. )

by saying she was not guilty of gross negligence they were in effect stating that she was not personally responsible for the accident and crash, while continuing to hold the airline responsible. Yeah, it does not make even the slightest bit of sense, but then again welcome to Television.

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[–] OddsAreIAmRight 8 years ago

Most vote for kid in blue short - a boy.
Wrong - girl in red shirt.

A jury being asked to raise hands to vote on something during closing arguments. LOL - sure let's have an interactive experience here, the judge is probably thinking. Absolutely cringeworthy.