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where does Bull get the ghost jurors?


Wouldn't it be hard to find people who are exactly like the jurors.

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Great question !

This is one of the aspects that I was thinking about when I mentioned "suspension of disbelief" in the Jury Manipulation thread. Seems the general opinion is that no "suspension of disbelief" is needed with this program and that all aspects of it are to just be accepted as presented.

I also wondered how they got the very detailed likes and dislikes info on all of the potential jurors. I noticed this week that there is a woman looking things up as they go. The internet is a hotbed of information but ... really ?

I find it odd that there are already "fanboy" type defenders of a show that is in its infancy who are more than willing to go the name calling and the "you spelled a word wrong and thus you are an idiot and not entitled to an opinion" route.

Ain't technology grand ? Don't even have to leave the comfort of our homes to be accosted by strangers! 😁

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Did you also notice that they illegally obtained the HR records of that school librarian by "hacking" (I believe that was the word the grunge emo girl used) into the school's systems? So, despite being "legal" they are admittedly using illegal tactics? Keep in mind HR records are confidential and protected by law.

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You might wonder whats out there, especially when you are very active on social media. And I'm not saying this with hacking in mind, I mean that there are companies who scan social media every minute and create personal profiles.

Making photos of your cat on Instagram would suggest that you are "an cat person".

And so on. People specialized in this type of profiling can find lots of interesting things, just by asking, for examples when jurors are cross examined by the respective lawyer team.

Yes, they go overboard sometimes with the details, but I'm still not convinced that this kind of information isn't attainable.


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Any number of companies data mine social media accounts, reward card subscriptions, etc for all sorts of reasons. Even attorneys who don't have trial consultants check the social media accounts of their jurors to try and get a step up.

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michinine: it more than just social media. Every time you use your grocery store club card, call a toll-free number, sign up for a coffee card or members' discount program, you are giving away personal information. What you usually buy and how often you buy it; it's all information that is legally traded.

So, if you used to order 12 bottle of wine per month from your wine club and now you only order 4, someone might assume you are pregnant, especially after they check your grocery club card and see you are buying more milk and bought some vitamins.....

Scary, huh?

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there are already "fanboy" type defenders of a show


There surely are.

And just as surely there are the thin-skinned posters who project the notion that every disagreement to one of his dubious points must be an attack by a "fanboy."


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Not all rude and argumentative posters are "fanboys" BUT it seems that all "fanboys" are rude and argumentative.

Your next post will no doubt be focused on the "all" aspect but 

Have fun...

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Of course the main point is swatted away by your defense mechanisms. Self reflection is a biatch.

Have more fun...


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And having found the shadow jurors, how do they coerce them into perform jury duty without that little letter from the courthouse?

Only thing I can think of is money. How much money would they have to pay YOU to put your life on hold and play fantasy jury for an indeterminate period of time?

State-of-the-art computers, specialized programs, spiffy fake courtroom where the bar is a Bar, genius computer geeks, private investigators, top-drawer legal advisors... salaries, health insurance, overtime, custodial service ... aargh!

How does a client PAY for this?

I understand the rich father in the first episode, but who was paying for the pilot in the second episode after that little discussion on why it was in the company's best interests for her to accept the blame and fired her company lawyer? She couldn't have paid for Bull's service herself.

As long as I don't think about this (suspending my disbelief), I enjoy the show.

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Yet, back in week one, I was told that no "suspension of disbelief" was needed for this show !

Speaking of suspensions :

Next week = #3 unless it gets suspended again by another talking-heads-show.

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How much does a jury member get for the period of the trial?

Well, triple that for a fake jury being paid for by either the defendant or the prosecutor.

It does seem like a very expensive business but for the sake of winning a trial is there any limit you wouldn't budget or borrow? I'm sure the defendants can recoup costs should they win the trial.

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I'm sure the defendants can recoup costs should they win the trial.


The first and third trials were criminal trials, not civil, who is going to recoup what comes from whom?

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The first and third trials were criminal trials, not civil, who is going to recoup what comes from whom?

In the first episode, the client's family was very wealthy. In the 3rd episode he said he was doing it pro bono.

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You mean the never ending supply of mock jurors who professionally and even physically "mirror" the jurors in the box? Who despite having apparent jobs are available to not only go through the mock trial (which could take several days if not more) but also sit through the actual trial while wearing biometric readers? I think this is delving into fantasy now.

Suspension of disbelief!! Poof, I am all better now.

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I was thinking the exact same thing. I am confused about the mirror jurors as well. Where do they find these people and get them to attend the trial? It's unrealistic but I still like the show. Have you ever seen Scorpion? Another good show but very fantasy like.

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It's not unrealistic - real life jury consultants use mirror juries that attend the trial. The Hollywood part that stretches the truth is how closely they match the real jurors. As to how they find them, I imagine it's no different than how universities find people to participate in research studies - they advertise, people sign up and they create a database of names and characteristics to choose from for future cases.

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I "imagine" lots of things, but do not "imagine" but in fact know that hacking (by the emo girl's own statement) HR records of any kind is illegal.

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I "imagine" lots of things, but do not "imagine" but in fact know that hacking (by the emo girl's own statement) HR records of any kind is illegal.

Bull has made mention a couple of times now that everything he does may not be exactly legal.

He said that about causing the false tornado siren in yesterday's episode. When he was talking to the techie girl about what he wanted her to do, he said something like "I think most of it's legal, but then again I'm not a lawyer".

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So that makes it OK because it is "fiction" and "television". Gotcha.

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So that makes it OK because it is "fiction" and "television". Gotcha.

It's neither "OK" nor "not OK" -- it just is.

Some viewers may be OK with Bull doing things that are illegal and some viewers may not. Personally, I don't necessarily need to see TV characters always doing things perfectly legally. Having the main characters never do things that are illegal is not an important factor for my viewing enjoyment of a fictional TV show.

But that's just me.

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The Hollywood part that stretches the truth is how closely they match the real jurors.


They sure stretch it a very long way on this program and they expect everyone to buy into it. If they move this program to a different time slot, I don't think too many people would follow it, much less buy into it.

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The typical Capital Murder case in New York varies tremendously in length, but an average time of one month is a good estimate. Where are you going to find enough people to give up that time to serve on a shadow jury? "Hey Boss I need a month off to be on a fake jury" will go over real well with many employers.

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They are actors and actresses between Law & Order casting calls. It's New York, baby !
Or maybe Bull posts on craigslist under "Etc." . . .

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Just Google "mock juror recruitment" or "eJuror"..., you will find a ton of companies that do this for a living, plus major trail law firms have in-house departments that also do the same thing.

There are plenty of people available via various help wanted sites, Craigslist, Temp Employment Agencies, etc... and depending upon the type of mock jurors the company is looking for, depends upon where they advertise and look.

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Just Google "mock juror recruitment" or "eJuror"..., you will find a ton of companies that do this for a living, plus major trail law firms have in-house departments that also do the same thing.

There are plenty of people available via various help wanted sites, Craigslist, Temp Employment Agencies, etc... and depending upon the type of mock jurors the company is looking for, depends upon where they advertise and look.
This seems to imply that the mock jurors would be more likely to be unemployed than the real jurors.
It would be interesting if they adress that discrepancy on the show.

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I don't want to burst your bubble, but Bull is a fictional show, not a documentary. They get the ghost jurors from central casting.

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Maybe he gets them from the Chicago voter registry. There's always lots of 'ghosts' voting in the Chicago elections.



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Law firms do this a lot. They will even post ads on Craigslist wanting people to participate in mock trials. You get there and they ask you a boatload of questions for about 2 hours, then hand you $75 and you go home. The lucky person gets to do this trial and upon completion they get anywhere from $100 to $250

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