I find this show to be too analytical. It's like watching someone solve a math equation on a blackboard and explaining the solution each step of the way. While MW's character shows a personality, there's no real charm to want to be interested in him. And there's no real story - just a procedure. As others have pointed out here, I thought of "Lie to Me" - but that show was interesting due to the writing and Tim Roth. So far with "Bull" - nothing to see here - move along.
I often agree with you, but I just don't see the "challenge" in this show. It obviously engages some viewers, so go for it, but to say other shows are moving wallpaper but you have to use your brain for this show? I just don't get it. I truly do not feel challenged, I don't watch closely so I don't miss things, I see the solutions several steps ahead of the reveal.
Again, engaging to some, but I resent the implication that the people who don't like the show aren't *smart* enough to get it. My complaints about the show have nothing to do with being too difficult to follow. It has everything to do with believability within the context of a fictional tv show. And it's not.
I think because this is a freshman show and I get to decide from the outset: follow or not, I am a bit more critical. If this were a show I had been following for a few seasons and they made some changes that challenge my ability to continue to believe the set up, I may be more willing to overlook the problem that takes me out of every episode now. But I don't have that kind of commitment to the cast, the characters or the show. So, again, I get to choose to not watch based on my perception of the show. I don't think I deserve to be insulted because of that.
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No, David. No one is happy in a poodle skirt and a sweater set.
Why do people stick around to complain about a show they have derided since before its premiere? I don't get it. I don't hang around here because I can't be bothered by the Thought Police, who seem to think everyone is entitled to only their opinion and the rest of us are to be dismissed as too fangirly to see that this show sucks, just because we enjoy it for a variety of reasons. I guess we're just not as smart as yourself and others of your ilk.~ If different opinions about a tv show insult you, why not find something that makes you happy - if anything does...
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I had to reread my post since (a) I didn't think I was commenting to you and (b) it was several days old. But I wondered if *you* read my post at all. It was not deriding the show, it was simply a comment on the fact that several posters continually use the word "challenging" as a way to insult anyone who doesn't like the show.
So now you want to twist my words to make it sound like I think anyone who enjoys this show lacks intelligence. Never said that. I even pointed out that many viewers find the show engaging, and that's a good thing.
I only commented to someone I think of as sane. I didn't know I would rattle your chains and make you come out of seclusion to try to spank me into submission.
Oh, and last I heard this was and still is a discussion board. Why don't you go back and read my posts for the last 3-4 weeks.* (edit). You must have really had to search to find something to b!tch about, because I think you found the only one.
*Edit: I meant posts for this show. I do post on other boards. But, as I said a long time ago, I no longer watch this show, but I continue to read the board. Occasionally....well, OK rarely.
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No, David. No one is happy in a poodle skirt and a sweater set.
You have every right to respond to my posts, even though the conversation wasn't directed at you. But, please, at least actually *add* something to the conversation other than your snotty comments. It's really boring, and rather unbecoming. _________
No, David. No one is happy in a poodle skirt and a sweater set.
Reading comprehension really seems to be a prevelent problem, especially on this board. I did not trash this show; I haven't even posted on it it in a long time. But I do feel strongly about a small group of posters who feel it is their duty to trash some posters on this forum.
Honestly, you sound like that Shakespeare character about whom it was said, "Methinks the lady doth protest too much." If you believe in your show, than nothing I or anyone else says about it should have any consequence at all.
And yes, your constant, whiny attack towards me are really unbecoming. But, it does take two to make this spectacle work, so I'm done. Make your last snarky remark a really good one and it will look like you won. Not quite sure what you are winning....this is a discussion board about a tv show. They don't give out awards. But, you need the last word, so take it away!!
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No, David. No one is happy in a poodle skirt and a sweater set.
Sorry, life's been kicking my butt and I haven't been round for a while.
My response was to the OP
It's like watching someone solve a math equation on a blackboard and explaining the solution each step of the way.
Which seemed to be objecting to having to think about the show, rather than it just being moving wallpaper.
Much of the TV I watch might as well be radio for all the attention I pay to the screen, I usually do things on the computer at the same time (what I was watching is currently on pause, because I can't split my attention between that and replying here).
As it happened the cat chose to sit on my lap when I was watching the first episode of Bull and I couldn't reach the computer to multi-task, so Bull got my full attention and I got to realize that the show is complex enough to use important visuals in addition to the dialog. I also found it entertaining enough that I was prepared to give it my full attention for 40 minutes.
Again, engaging to some, but I resent the implication that the people who don't like the show aren't *smart* enough to get it. My complaints about the show have nothing to do with being too difficult to follow. It has everything to do with believability within the context of a fictional tv show. And it's not.
You can assume that I am suggesting that people aren't smart enough to get it if you want - if the cap fits... - but my dig is about laziness rather than intelligence. You don't have to be dumb to only want moving wallpaper as your TV experience, that's for people who are lonely and want the TV for company; or for those who can't be bothered to engage their brain to interact with the TV. There are plenty of shows for both those categories of viewer, but not very many for those who do want TV to exercise their brain, outside of the world of documentaries and even those are being dumbed down.
As I recollect your prime sticking point about the show is "where does the money come from to pay for all this?" I've had no problem filling in the blanks and assume that money is made elsewhere in cases that we don't necessarily see but, as it happens, it is an issue that the show has addressed several times to tell us that there is money that has and is being made to finance the pro bono work.
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Thank you for a thoughtful response. Yes, that was, and still is, my sticking point. I think it is a personal problem in that I know consultants and property values/rents in Manhattan, and though we are *told* something repeatedly, I don't see the reality in it. So, I realize it is my problem, and I gave up on the show.
As I mentioned in my post, other posters *have* pretty much come out and said that if one doesn't like this show, it's because we don't get it. That statement ignores any criticism of the show, whether it feels relevant or not. I'm not someone who has the tv on in the background at all. As a matter of fact, the one tv we own is in a family room downstairs so it doesn't disturb people trying to read or a family dinner. So I record most shows and watch them in leisure later.
I will say, sometimes the questions asked on some boards about an episode make me wonder if other people even watched the show! But, when pressed, they admit they were doing laundry or doing other chores....in other words distracted viewing. That always surprises me; if I like something enough to record and watch it, I'm going to really watch it. Although, I have to admit, if it's live tv--which I rarely watch--I'm more distracted because I find other things to do during commercials. I suppose that's what happens to them.
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No, David. No one is happy in a poodle skirt and a sweater set.
Boring? I was watching "Bull" not too long ago and did something I never do when watching a show, I fell asleep. Some shows are really exciting, some are not but they are interesting, this show is neither. What are all those people doing in that squad room and where do they get the money to pay for all that equipment and salaries? But I will admit it gets better every week, it's now up to tolerable.
This show was starting to grow on me, getting enjoyable to watch, but last nights episode matches the OP's subject line perfectly. I found the soap opera involving the ex-wife entirely uninteresting and boring. If you want to see stuff like that, there is an entire library of Falcon Crest reruns available somewhere! I still carry hope for this show, and hope it gets better.
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I found the soap opera involving the ex-wife entirely uninteresting and boring. If you want to see stuff like that, there is an entire library of Falcon Crest reruns available somewhere!
I haven't had a chance to watch this episode yet, so cannot comment specifically, but I'm with you on wanting only a level of romance or reveal about the characters enough to flesh them out, without delving into the realms of soap.
Sadly there are a small, but obsessed band of fans ragging Weatherly on twitter, trying to get him to cast Cote de Pablo on Bull as Jason Bull's love interest - to further their fantasies that Weatherly himself will leave his wife and family to be with de Pablo.
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