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After losing hundreds of thousands of soldiers killed by Hannibal, Arminius, Spartacus, the Civil Wars after Caesar's death, the Battle of Arausio in 105 BC (80,000 Romans killed), the battle of Carrhae against the Parthians and so on.

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That's why they started recruiting some of the "barbabrians" into the army. 😀

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Yes, if by "recruiting" you mean "enslaving".

I'm guessing if the Roman army used slave soldiers--or even paid ones--they would do well to import these soldiers from other parts of the empire. It's easier to look at the enemy as "less than" if they don't speak your same language, seem barbaric & uncivilized.

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Yes, if by "recruiting" you mean "enslaving". I'm guessing if the Roman army used slave soldiers--or even paid ones--they would do well to import these soldiers from other parts of the empire.


Uhm.. what? Where do you get the idea from that the Romans used "slave soldiers"?
It had been the most disciplined and well trained military of its time, you don't get that by sticking tons of "slave soldiers" into your units, who are far more likely to side with the enemies of the Roman Empire when the crap hits the fan.

As a matter of fact, slaves were not admissible for the draft or military service, same deal with the peregrini (those could only sign up for the Auxilia). The closest thing to "slave soldiers" had been the compulsory recruitment of soldiers' sons.

Case in point:
Groups of Germanic or Sarmatian tribespeople were granted land to settle in the Empire, in return for military service. Most likely each community was under a treaty obligation to supply a specified number of troops to the army each year.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Roman_army#Recruitment

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Well, I'm not a scholar, but it only stands to reason that the Romans had to get their fighters from somewhere.

VOLO′NES is synonymous with Voluntarii (from volo), and might hence be applied to all those who volunteered to serve in the Roman armies without there being any obligation to do so. But it was applied more especially to slaves, when in times of need they offered or were allowed to fight in the Roman armies. Thus when during the second Punic war after the battle of Cannae there was not a sufficient number of freedmen to complete the army, about 8000 young and able-bodied slaves offered to serve. Their proposal was accepted; they received armour at the public expense, and as they distinguished themselves they were honoured with the franchise.



Whether voluntarii or not, slaves were in the army. And of course they were well-trained etc., I'm not arguing.




http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Volones.html

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Did you even read what you quoted? "freedmen" are not slaves. thats a technicality but there were no slaves in roman army.

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Yeah, ok. Believe what you want. Interpret what you read the way you do, no matter what the words actually say.

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Facts do not require belief or interpretation. Unless you are not right in the head.

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Well, I'm not a scholar, but it only stands to reason that the Romans had to get their fighters from somewhere.


Also not a scholar, but I've done some reading on the Romans and never seen anything like "slave soldiers" mentioned. Imho the logistics around that would be kinda counter-productive to running a well organized and disciplined military.

I'm not arguing.


Neither am I! Wasn't so sure about it myself at first, your post made me look it up and now we both learned something new 😊

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I am a scholar who studied Classical history and you are completely wrong.

Don't comment further, your interpretations are not needed.

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