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The new episode made me sick...

posted 6 years ago by AmeriGirl26 (14496)
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This is in regard to Season 2, Episode 2: Primal Urges. I was hoping it was gonna be about Alara visiting her home planet, but nope. It was a Bortus episode. *sigh*

I really did not need to see what Bortus was doing instead of spending time with Klyden. I REALLY didn't need to see it. In fact, my brother fast-forwarded through part of it.

It's one thing for Bortus to have certain addiction problems, but that one alien he was talking to.....oh GOD he was disgusting! I'm not surprised that he is symbolic of peddlers of an industry that most decent people loathe and despise, while not-so-decent people love it. It was funny how he spoke to Bortus in his alien language about certain services, but he was still gross to look at. I hope we never see that walking pile of filth again.

I was saying to my brother "Do you know what his head looks like....?" and my brother immediately says "Don't say it!"

If I re-watch Season 2 of "The Orville," that's gonna be one of the episodes I avoid from now on.

[–] strntz (12485) 6 years ago

LOL, my wife and I were watching this together last night, and I also fast-forwarded through Bortus' simulator fantasies. I'm no prude, but it was over the top, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long and detailed and with no redeeming quality to it entertainment wise IMO.

The secondary story about the dying planet isn't enough for me to watch this episode ever again.

[–] AmeriGirl26 (14496) 6 years ago

I know what you mean about the dying planet, and that was really sad, how they could only save less than half the population. It almost feels like the hidden civilization thing was tacked on at the last minute, as a tale of wisdom for Bortus.

[–] strntz (12485) 6 years ago

I think they handled the choices of who would be saved correctly. In any case, this is a rare tv episode where they couldn't save the day by saving all those stranded.

And while the lottery system would be the correct way of handling it, I would have never left my wife. Either we both would go or we both would stay, but no regrets if I stayed with her and sealed my fate. Just couldn't leave her and I know my wife wouldn't leave me.

[–] AmeriGirl26 (14496) 6 years ago

It was interesting because throughout the episode, Bortus had been having the worst marital problems, but then he sees the leader of those people giving up her life so her husband and son could live, and telling him before they leave how she treasured each day with them, and it made Bortus realize he should be doing the same thing for his family.

[–] Costumer (1825) 6 years ago

I would agree about leaving my wife in that situation. However, it appears the two had a child. That can change the decision. While a spouse should give primacy to the spouse, leaving the child without a parent is a powerful reason for one to leave the other.

[–] strntz (12485) 6 years ago

I'm sure that's why they had written the couple to have a young child. Face it, if the husband left only because he was a lottery winner and his wife wasn't, we'd all boo him. And while I don't think what they did was wrong, I still think that if it were us, my wife and I would stay to face our fate together and send our child to safety.

[–] Jes' Sayin' (6401) 6 years ago

Porn addiction is a real and serious problem. It was meant to disturb you and make you think.

[–] strntz (12485) 6 years ago

Whether it is or not is for another discussion. It was the graphicness of the scenes themselves, not the porn "addiction" that made me FF through those scenes.

[–] AmeriGirl26 (14496) 6 years ago

Last thing I need to see is fake gay romance on tv. It's disgusting to watch, makes me squirm, and is revolting. I don't care if Bortus comes from an all-male society, it's gross to see the details of his excursions on the holo-deck. They could have held back and just shown the beginnings of it, and then cut away to another scene, but no, they had to show the kissing, the stripping, the fondling....ugh! And you wonder why cable ratings have gone down in the past 5 years. Nobody normal wants to watch that.

[–] Jes' Sayin' (6401) 6 years ago

Cable ratings have gone down because so much is available on streaming.

I doubt you would complain if the scenes were hetero. You appear to have a double standard. Have you tried to learn tolerance of others?

[–] Eleazar (251) 6 years ago

The alien who gave Bortus the pornvirus looked great. Was surprised to see such a non-human looking creature on board of the orville.
Hope he comes back :)

[–] AmeriGirl26 (14496) 6 years ago

His head was shaped like......oh I can't say it! He was fat, slimy, had a tricuspid mouth, no eyes, and a creepy feeler on the end. He almost looked like a blob of snot and mud. I'll bet he stank too.

[–] Jes' Sayin' (6401) 6 years ago

That costume took considerable time and expense. I'm sure it will be back again. Maybe a whole ship full of them. It's good to see many different types of aliens on the ship. On Star Trek everyone was basically just a human.

[–] AmeriGirl26 (14496) 6 years ago

It was a guy in a gray suit covered with pips doing the movements, and they stuck a CGI monster on top. Not much to really make a big deal over in terms of expense.

[–] AaronSynn (284) 6 years ago

I'm pretty sure that was an actually costume, not CGI.

[–] AmeriGirl26 (14496) 6 years ago

Costumes don't move that smoothly. I've seen animatronics headpieces on actors, as well as remote-operated prosthetics. That creature was CGI. Don't believe me? Go watch some sci-fi films and tv shows from the 80s, 90s, and 2000s. You'll see a stark difference. Animatronics tend to be jerky and mechanical in movement.

It is possible that the actor wore a green-screen suit with the lower part shaped similar to the alien, but that's it. The creature we see on screen was computer-generated.

[–] footlegger (1462) 6 years ago

It was definitely costume.

[–] AmeriGirl26 (14496) 6 years ago

No, it wasn't. If you can't tell the difference between CGI and actual costumes, you have no business acting like you know anything about special-effects.

[–] Jes' Sayin' (6401) 6 years ago

Believe it's a combination of suit and CGI. More here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwOsIer7EBM

[–] Pixanaut (68) 6 years ago

Both episodes thus far have been Bortis-centric, and he's literally the least interesting character on the ship. I honestly don't give a crap about his need to pee annually, or his sex/family life. The more the show focuses on these things, the more it drags the show into unwatchable 'agenda-driven' territory for me. I just don't care.

If the episodes become more mission-centric, it will help, but with the state of the writing so far this season, I'm concerned.

[–] Jes' Sayin' (6401) 6 years ago

The Jaloja was just a MacGuffin, really, not a real plot. Something the characters care about, but we do not. It was just there to give the characters some reason to have to line up dates and that set the rest of this romantic comedy into action.

Have to give Seth credit for daring to try to tell different types of stories than one expects in an SF show. Very innovative.

Star Trek has been agenda-driven from day one though, around 1965.

[–] Pixanaut (68) 6 years ago

Seth is obsessed with potty humour and sex organs.

And this show is barely watchable because of it.

[–] Jes' Sayin' (6401) 6 years ago

Oh, are you a prude?

[–] Pixanaut (68) 6 years ago

Not at all. It's just juvenile, base level writing, using that stuff as a crutch to cover the fact that they're hacks.

But hey, go ahead and enjoy it. I left for better shows.

[–] Jes' Sayin' (6401) 6 years ago

A very tiny aspect of the show.

If you've left you should probably come back to check out the two part Identity episodes, which have been much praised by just about everyone, especially the 15 minutes of space battles.

[–] AmeriGirl26 (14496) 6 years ago

I actually can relate on this. Bortus has actually been something of a disappointment, because I thought he was gonna be the their version of the Klingons, but it turns out, he's more like a dysfunctional, messed-up, over-muscled sissy. And the culture he comes from has some serious, deeply-ingrained problems that they refuse to address at all. Interestingly enough, that is the second Bortus-centered episode that I will never watch again.

I was hoping they'd come across a hidden colony of all-female Moclans whose ancestors had fled their homeworld centuries ago when their society decided to get rid of all the women, and we find out some things that the current Moclan society has been hiding. Now THAT would have been a much more fun episode to watch, particularly if the all-female Moclans were planning on wreaking revenge on their male counterparts' homeworld at some point, and it's up to the Orville to stop them.

I'm more interested in the other characters, and the previews indicated that they're gonna do an Alara episode that looks like she'll be visiting her home planet. They also showed more clashes with the Krill. Now those would also be more fun to watch.

[–] Pixanaut (68) 6 years ago

Agreed. That would have been a way more interesting episode.

[–] strntz (12485) 6 years ago

I was hoping they'd come across a hidden colony of all-female Moclans whose ancestors had fled their homeworld centuries ago when their society decided to get rid of all the women, and we find out some things that the current Moclan society has been hiding. Now THAT would have been a much more fun episode to watch, particularly if the all-female Moclans were planning on wreaking revenge on their male counterparts' homeworld at some point, and it's up to the Orville to stop them.

Your show would have been FAR more entertaining than this one!!

[–] McQualude (4231) 6 years ago

There is no such thing as female Moclans, or male Moclans. It's a single sex species with each individual having both male and female reproductive capability. What this show called females are infertile, or sterile, but that is not a definition of female.

[–] ReelReviews14 (1220) 6 years ago

This was originally meant for season 1. Fox decided to cut it and reduce the season's episode run to 12 episodes. After seeing the material, I now agree with their decision in hindsight. This is easily the weakest Orville episode and it was a bad idea to have another raunchy sex comedy episode shortly after "Cupid's Dagger". But moving it to second two resulted in two episodes in a row about Bortus' bodily functions. Not good either way.

[–] liscarkat (18610) 6 years ago

A bunch of ugly near-naked fat dudes fondling and licking each other. That's entertainment!

[–] NukeDude (801) 6 years ago

#MeToo

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