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confusion about first episode..


eric mccormacks character when the traveler takes over... they said he fell down an elevator shaft... idk if i missed something but he was just standing right there and never actually died... but then the traveler took over anyways? did i miss something?

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When he leaned forward to look he lost his balance and began to tip forward until he was grabbed and steadied by Trevor.

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The traveler's host doesn't have to die. They just have to be about to die. They come back and prevent that death. Note when Philip was taken over before he took the drugs and never actually overdosed.

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In fact they HAVE to prevent the host from dying. They justify taking over someone's body and life, because they WOULD have died. If they waited until they actually died, they wouldn't have a live body for the traveler to enter.

To Love and win is the best thing. To Love and lose, the next best.

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In fact they HAVE to prevent the host from dying. They justify taking over someone's body and life, because they WOULD have died. If they waited until they actually died, they wouldn't have a live body for the traveler to enter.
Sorry, justifying taking over those about to die, out of respect for the 21st Century person's right to live out their lives?

I think that is just speculation.

And it is contradicted by something Marcy said. In several early episodes a pre-pubescent child has come up to them, and in a robotic voice identified they had a message for them from HQ, in the future. Then the child get a stunned look on their face, as if they had experienced an absence seizure, and wanders off.

Marcy explains that childrens brains are flexible enough that a future consciousness can be projected into them, temporarily, without killing them, and that children can shake this off. However, adult bodies, which have a future consciousness projected into them, die, unless that 21st century person was about to die.

In early episodes we saw a countdown timer in the lower right of the screen. The
projection of a future person's consciousness was shown to happen with the countdown timer showing a couple of seconds of life left.

That doesn't really make sense. In Grant's case, it is as if the holds of the consciousness of the original 21st Century FBI Agent McLaren, on his own body, had been loosened because he was scheduled to die.`

There have been films where everyone had a particular time when their "number was up", and the fun begins when there is a bureaucratic screw up and someone's soul is plucked too early. "Heaven Can Wait", and "Here Comes Mr Jordan", being too examples. But these models are all based on the Christian meme of souls.

Even though the Travelers have tried to be discrete, there have been thousands of them, on thousands of missions. They started secret factories to secretly manufacture their gizmos. They bet on the races. They did all kinds of stuff. In spite of their goal to leave as few ripples in time as possible, those thousands of missions must have left a million ripples in time, large and small.

How many people were affected by those ripples? How many died early, or later, than they would have if Travelers hadn't left any ripples?

I think this erodes any notion they knew they could take over McLaren, because his number was up.

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Quick point on a good I think . They need phone for gps location to ensure they know exactly where someone is at time of death. Phone was at bottom of elevator shaft so that would have not worked on him. They would not know where he was.

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Sorry meant goof not good. Typo

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The rest of his team had phones on them. With the GPS data from those phones, and just one of them streaming live video, you could target MacLaren.

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They had the where and how from news and death reports.

Knowing which floor he fell from may have been a problem, but it was likely that he didn't just drop his phone before his death. The person of interest would have been there, and he likely fell after a scuffle. That person was neutralized by the team - something they stated he had failed to do before his death.

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The Travelers are basically decent people. The need to not see themselves as a bunch of murderers would be motivation enough to only take over people whose deaths were both imminent and inevitable left to themselves. You're not shortening anyone's life by more than a few seconds. Only killing the already dead, so to speak. They've bent this rule of course; like taking Grace after her window was passed, and the soldiers trying to stop them from setting off the antimatter.

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I'm glad that I carry a Dumb Phone because it means I'll never be taken over by a traveler.

My Chimp DNA seems to have lost its password temporarily. Sluggr-2

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