What happens to travelers when the host dies?
Many travelers' hosts have been killed or died. I wonder what happens to the travelers? Do they go back to their original body or they die too?
shareMany travelers' hosts have been killed or died. I wonder what happens to the travelers? Do they go back to their original body or they die too?
shareI watched the "Donner" episode yesterday, and at some point, they sentence the guy to "death by overwrite", and a new personality gets into the body; so I guess they just die...
shareDonner said something to the effect that he'd rather live in a cell in the 21st than underground where he'd come from, which leads me to believe that their consciousness get transported and they expire in the process. Similarly, they mention a 30% failure rate at the beginning, so that implies a risk to the future self. "Would you have volunteered if you knew the failure rate was that high?"
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they mention a 30% failure rate at the beginning, so that implies a risk to the future self.
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This data is kept by the director and his programmers and can be uploaded into different hosts multiple times (see Marcy).
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I think its their consciousness that is being written to the host's body not a bunch of code or data and 3659 is their ID number showing their rank, specialty and etc. like the traveler D13, where D stands for Doc. Also in episode 11 when they are supposed to greet the traveler 0014, Philip says that a low number, why the director is sending someone so important?
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That's a very interesting theory
shareFrom what we've seen the Travelers die when their hosts do. It's a one way trip. Data files containing all the information needed to reconstruct a human consciousness would be huge; no matter how advanced the system, it's unlikely they could archive large numbers of them indefinitely. In a world rich with resources as well as the technology, maybe you could store backup copies of everybody in case something happened to them. But the future they come from is resource depleted.
I think what they did with Marcy was something like using a beam splitter with a laser. They created a copy of the original download by splitting the beam of whatever particles (tachyons?) as it moved past them in time to its destination in their past, and diverted the second beam to her present location.
I like your idea. It's very reasonable.
shareI was wondering what happens to the host's body when a traveller eventually leaves? Like when their initial mission was over but they were issued a new one. If they hadn't been given a new one, would they stay in the host's body as-is or would they have left and the history would've died as originally intended? This is about the only thing I'm hung up on concerning this show.
share*and the host...
Not 'history'. Darn auto-correct :-/
They stay in that host until the host dies a future death. They don't go back to the future as far as we know.
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Thanks!
shareExcept in the case of young children, who can be possessed without permanent damage temporarily by ... something. Presumably not by a suicidal Traveler, but some sort of copy of a future person.
shareI was wondering what happens to the host's body when a traveller eventually leaves?
Depends on how you define 'dying'. I have this strange feeling we'll find out that Travelers aren't so much actual individuals as maybe they are uploaded, copies of actual people and/or somehow connected to a virtual world(maybe). It would certainly explain how Grace could 'reboot' Marcy because, up until that point, it was kind of stated in the show that you can't transmit a consciousness through time without the attendant technology and that that technology doesn't exist in present time(yet?). However, it can be explained if Grace merely "reinstalled Marcy OS" from a "backup" in the future altered to bypass any damaged portions of her host's brain.
Why do I think this? Well, it's for two reasons:
1)When they start hallucinating as a side effect of their inoculation for what happens in the Helios 365 episode, the future people they hallucinate are dressed in clothes very reminiscent of how people dressed in the real world(not to mention that Grant has seen similar clothing in flash"forwards" in earlier episodes) in the Matrix films. Also, Phil(?) hallucinates future food which looks very much like the 'goop' eaten in those films. Not to mention, future people in both those movies and this show are living underground because the surface world is ruined(albeit for different reasons).
2)Transfer of consciousness through time reminds me somewhat of what happens in the Spider Robinson novel, "Time Pressure". Although, in that story, this method of time travel has a somewhat more sinister purpose; well, sinister may be a bit of a strong way to describe it but you'll be pleasantly surprised why the future antagonists are transferring consciousness..es... through time. Saying any more would probably spoil the rest of the story but, suffice to say, if I did tell you you'd understand further reasons why I thought of that story in regards to what is happening in this show. Anway, if you haven't read it, I HIGHLY recommend it along with most everything else Robinson has written.
**edit**Something else I just thought of which may bolster my theory. In the Helios 365 episode, if Bloom was in fact the same Traveler who took over Gleason and his men(I seem to recall it being stated that she was the one who absolutely wanted to trigger the laser), her being able to do so would be more likely if the Director is sending copy after copy of her consciousness back as each person is killed.
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
One aspect of the show which I like is that one has to continually and consciously separate the "consciousness" from the chunk of protoplasm that they are inhabiting. One would hope tht they could match the person to the body, but at least with our team 2 of 5 were way of based on the databases they used.
But my only issue with this is Carly. As the enforcer in the group, I would expect her to be a disciplined military type personality, but instead, she be all cray cray whack like one might expect her host to be. A good soldier knows when to fight and when not to, say, as evidenced by when she had to pick up Phillip on the lam from the police. She took the deceptive strategic approach with spilled coffee vs all-out confrontation. So I am not sure why the writers have her running on hormones when it comes to the baby, unless that is just the hormones of the host interacting with her consciousness, the way Phillip's host body's opioid tolerance is messing with him, though by now he should be completely off even on a gradual taper (unless Phillip in the future is an addict looking for his first drug)
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