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Kathryn Episode ending (spolier)


There are many things I like about this show. However, I think the conclusion of this episode strains credulity. We go from McLaren laid open on the operating table to him sitting, conscious, dressed, and coherent enough to keep Forbes from discovering what's what. This transformation seems to occur in a matter of minutes. I can think of any number of cuts in the episode that would've allowed for better development of the final scene.

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So after they used nanotechnology to rapidly grow a replacement heart inside of Trevor's chest, then transplanted it and had those same nanites integrate it into MacLaren's body, you have a problem with the patient being closed up and conscious too quickly? The whole point of the way they edited that scene was to have the viewer expecting Forbes to walk in on the medical team doing their work and instead ... surprise, there's MacLaren awake and doing fine! Bullet dodged.

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Yes.

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My only issue is that even with the wife's memory erased, there is a record of her purchasing a ticket, boarding and seating on the plane. The FBI would would be wondering why she's alive and well when there are records showing she got on the plane.

Sure - whiz kid could alter credit records, restore funds, but it's all too much. Checking in at the airport, camera footage, ... just too much. But this is true for all time-travel shows. Events are over-simplified to the point of being ridiculous.

The show is about how people cope with responsibilities to 2 separate lifelines, so the missions are not as important as how the characters cope with the consequences.

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Computer technology from the future, a super-intelligent AI, and you're telling me they couldn't digitally edit a woman out of the airport security videos as if she were never there? Remove her from the airline records and passenger manifest, refund her ticket price, leave that seat empty (as it was in the original timeline). You're telling me that's beyond their capability? There are agencies in the real world who could almost certainly do it now, given sufficient reason.

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YES - That's EXACTLY what I'm saying, because it takes too much time, and there are too many trails and loose ends to sort out. Not too many for the all-knowing Director (assuming accurate records), but too much for these teams of bumbling, error-prone Travelers to accomplish, given their checkered history of screwing up every single mission they've been entrusted with.

I'm saying they are too INCOMPETENT to do it, even given a long time to work on it. Heck, the one kid couldn't even pass a test with lots of advanced notice. The girl with the baby can't get a job.

Their inability to complete tasks is what creates DRAMA in the show. That's fine. What's not fine is creating huge holes in continuity and act like it's no big deal.

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I'm sorry, but do you even watch the show?

Heck, the one kid couldn't even pass a test with lots of advanced notice


Trevor did pass the test, a test that his host is considered too dumb to pass and so the teacher assumed he cheated.

The girl with the baby can't get a job.

Um, Carley got the job, but her douche bag baby daddy filed an assault charge against her, a charge that lost her the job.

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Actually that was the first thing Phillip looked into. He said neither Maclaren or his wife were on the manifest and that they (other travelers and the director) were already erasing their existence on that flight. Which is why he went to pick up the car. Seems strange to have to explain why the car is at the airport if things go sideways and no evidence of him taking a flight.

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The show is full of off-screen events that they set up via dialogue. Philip said that he would attempt to slow down Forbs. I am not saying that these off-screen events are well handled but if you listen to all of what is said they are set up.

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Philip said he would attempt to stall Forbes by asking for a warrant. When Forbes shows up, he already has a warrant. I assumed this meant the stall-attempt failed. But you're saying that Forbes's first appearance, without a warrant, happens off-screen. Therefore, three or four hours had passed -- which makes McLaren's "sudden" recovery much more believable.

I feel better now. Thank you, Dr. Scimitar.

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Sort of, Forbs said he would start on a warrant, Philip said he could hack in and stall Forbs on the warrant. I would say that Philip successfully stalled Forbs for a few hours. The off-screen events were Forbs trying to get the warrant. Maclaren is also still very messed up as we see when Forbs leaves.

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I guess I will watch that part of the episode again. I've forgotten exactly what was said/done. In any case, your explanation has eliminated the quibble I had.

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That is my thought as well. They clearly said he would push back on the warrant. As soon as he pulled out the warrant I figured that it was cutting trick. That there was a greater time lapse than let on. The removal of the operating room and bringing in a car (and gear) to work on cemented that for me.

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I rewatched the segment and saw that the time lapse is indeed implied
-- but just barely. This happens when Philip realizes that Forbes knows their location. Frantic, he tells Carly that they have to get out fast. She disagrees because McLaren is at a critical point. Philip says he can stall Forbes on the warrant for a couple of hours. They stare at each other, as if to say, Okay, we'll think of something.
These scenes move so fast that it's easy miss the implication. Instead, it seems as if Forbes got the warrant with no stall and no time lapse. An extra line of dialogue, such as Okay, we'll think of something would have helped avoid confusion.

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Yes, and how did they get a new pair of grey suit for McLaren so fast. You would think his suit got damaged and bloody from the plane crash.

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I'm pretty sure a medical team would have some clothing for their patient. In fact, given that specific orders from the Director are needed to activate this particular team I'd be surprised if they didn't show up with an exact duplicate of MacClaren's bloody suit (minus the blood) so he can finish the day in the "same" clothes he wore when he left the house that morning.

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I thought the real Bishop was commenting that he should have known Mac was FBI by the off-the-rack 2 piece suit, probably a $150 Men's Warehouse special. Given that they were at Mac's house putting Kat to bed, I don't think grabbing an extra suit would have been too difficult either.

Still, I think the one aspect not dealt with is Kat's suitcase and clothes. I will be sorely disappointed if this isn't addressed in season 2, and like Mac having memories return, I want to see Kat start to have some flashbacks. OTOH, compared to what Forbes just learned, her knowing anything is just chickenfeed.

My Chimp DNA seems to have lost its password temporarily. Sluggr-2

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If they can grow him a new heart, they can sure as hell find him a new suit.

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