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Accuracy of death clock and coordinates


The show does a good job in the first episode of setting up the way the "death clock" works with the first death apparently being recorded on surveillance video. And many other deaths on the show happen in public places where this may be a reasonable assumption.

But other deaths don't. In quite a few cases, they happen in places out of public view (e.g., indoors, and in places that wouldn't necessarily have a camera operating continuously, with the person alone or among people who might not record a death with accuracy of seconds). In some cases it seems likely that the estimated time of death could be off by several minutes or even hours. And yet the "death clock" ticks down by seconds on the screen anyway, in some situations where the seconds are significant in preventing the death.

Even the 3rd death on the show in the 1st episode (Philip's) is pinpointed within seconds before he injects himself with a needle. How do they know that exact moment? A coroner might be able to give an estimate within an hour or maybe a bit more accuracy. But within seconds?

Initially, I excused this as some sort of comment on the Orwellian nature of our current society, i.e., that the show was assuming all of our devices around us (cell phones, webcams, etc.) are "listening" even when we don't think they are. Except that's never really addressed directly. (And if it were true, presumably many of the mishaps that happen on the show wouldn't, because we'd have much more detailed information about the past and the tech guys on the team should be making much more heavy usage of this surveillance potential through their hacking.)

One particular death that occurs later in the season really blows this up even further. Without giving too much away, a farmer dies by himself due to an accident with his farm equipment. Sure, I suppose I could make up a story about how there just happened to be a surveillance camera pointed at his farm from somewhere (or that he was carrying a cell phone in his pocket that went "offline" suddenly as it was destroyed in the accident or something, despite the fact the farmer otherwise appears to be a bit of a luddite) -- but this isn't addressed. And, in fact it's later noted this farm is important because of its isolation and the fact that it could sort of "disappear" off the surveillance grid without drawing attention.

But if the "death clock" in that case were off by more than a second or two, the traveler would have clearly died or at least come back within a seriously mangled body. I realize it would bog down the show to draw attention to how they knew the exact time of death in every single case, but there are too many cases where it seems unlikely they could have it within SECONDS.

Later in the season, it's noted by one character that time travel only became possible in the modern era due to knowledge of EXACT time of death, implied by the death clock that appears on screen. But is it actually feasible that all of these deaths were recorded with that level of accuracy? Or am I missing something?

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Note that the countdown changes, from "Time till death: 11:00" (or whatever) to "Time till death: 00:10", The former is to the original, recorded death; the second is to the arrival of the Traveler, who overwrites the original mind in the body. They don't need the exact time of death, as long as they know the location of the host at a time early enough to avoid that recorded death. For instance, Philip gets taken over before he injects himself with what would have been a lethal overdose.

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Ah -- thanks for that. I had noticed the other numbers, but somehow thought they meant clocktime or something, since I believe the initial thing would say "Time of recorded death" or something like that. It makes much more sense that some deaths would take hours from the precipitating event (e.g., an overdose).

Still -- even in that case, it seems like they almost always tend to "cut it really close" to the precipitating event (often within seconds). And we still have the problem of how they can pinpoint those events with such accuracy. If it's possible to insert travelers several hours before death, why not use a wider "margin of error" and insert them at least many minutes or even a couple hours before the precipitating event? Instead, we repeatedly see travelers inserted in an incredibly dangerous position where they have to fight for their lives.

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Phillip was found DRT (dead right there) so they knew the location.

A lot of people have overthought this show to the point where it was no longer enjoable to them. If 90% of a time travel show is plausible and consistent, the show runners have done a good job. I'm a PhD neuroscientist and I enjoy it and if anyone could overthink it it would be me, but I choose to not go that route.

My Chimp DNA seems to have lost its password temporarily. Sluggr-2

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My initial post seems to have been based on a mistaken assumption about the death clock. If my assumption had been correct, though, it would create several apparent plot holes. (I'm still not convinced they are resolved, though.)

I'm thoroughly with you in terms of "overthinking" stuff and how sometimes you have to just suspend your disbelief.

My issue with the "death clock" is that is it an explicitly foregrounded element of the show that we (as viewers) are forced to pay attention to. (Frankly, by the end of the season, the repeated screaming/clock scenes started to get a bit tedious to witness over and over... it's a detail that pervades the series.)

Anyhow, I still don't get it, as I said in my recent reply. The show would be done little harm, as far as I can tell, by having the hosts taken over a little earlier before a precipitating death event for the sake of a more logical plot. And we could even still have the occasional "Oops, a little too late.." moment when a traveler arrives a little too close to the precipitating event and needs to fight for their life. Having it happen most of the time, though, draws attention to it.

Also -- I'd just note that later in the season this detail is explicitly used in the plot to explain details about the time travel (like why they can't go back further in the past, etc.). If you don't want people to think about the problems around some technobabble/voodoo/magic, don't use it as a plot point.

Sci-fi always has lots of background "magic" or whatever that just works and you don't think about too much. Putting up a CGI clock often repeatedly in every episode, though, tends to make the viewer think about what's going on there.

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I can understand why the repeated screaming scenes seem a bit unnecessary/overdone, but I find the little digital clock a nice touch.

Sure, it may no longer be necessary to explain what is happening, but it is a style choice the show has made, just to be sure the viewer is following the line of action at that point.

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If they did less screaming, people would be commenting on that too. Why has overwriting become less painful?

You have to think about this from a time traveler's perspective. Thousands of deaths, most natural, occur in the greater Seattle area daily. Along with a similar number of births. It's the deaths that just happen to fall under the watchful eye of Big Brother, and which could be avoided with foreknowledge, that makes those people candidates to receive a Traveler. Why do accident survivors always question why they survived, but the victims never question why they died? Because only the living ones can ask questions. Just like only the recorded deaths end up on this show. If it wasn't observed, no Traveler hence viewers never see it.

There was a court case recently involving audio recordings made by Alexa. Yeah, it's voice activated so it's always "listening". The mere fact that a court can subpoena those files begs the question: why is the data being stored on remote servers in the first place? Whatever the reason, the Director would have those records. And other devices, like nanny cams and home security systems we're supposed to be in full control of, may be sending data somewhere without our knowledge.

Maybe that farmer guy happened to be in a satellite's field of view for a five minute window around the time of the accident. Who knows? You can always come up with something.

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You're right about the screaming. And actually, weren't there one or two that did almost no screaming, or we didn't see that part, or something? I can remember having exactly that question...why are they different?

Nice rationale for the farmer.

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Thousands of deaths, most natural, occur in the greater Seattle area daily.


King County listed 20,000 deaths last year. So that is about 60 per day, but of those 60 a bunch may not meet the criteria, such as really old, young, infirm, disease ridden, surgical mishaps, etc. It seems like they need to go for those who are otherwise healthy and meet up with an accident, so the number of candidates goes down dramatically. It isn't just coincidence to have lots of soldiers and cops as travelers. When they were looking for 27, they had I believe 3 possible candidates that day, at least 2 were accidents (Grace, Bus Boy). Mac's team was in place for a good amount of time before he arrived so they were clearly selected for abilities and position. So it is likely that the teams we saw arriving en mass, the family in the car, the suicide club, and Donner's Angels were examples put together for storyline expediency.

http://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/health/data/~/media/depts/health/data/documents/city-health-profiles/City-Health-Profile-Seattle-2012.ashx

I'm glad my phone only calls 911 on its own about twice a month and doesn't listen to me. ;-)


http://community.hsn.com/t5/Electronics/Samsung-S390G-dials-911-with-keypad-locked/td-p/221132#utility-nav

Also heard a rumor recently that iPhones automatically send a copy of all pictures taken to the Apple cloud.






My Chimp DNA seems to have lost its password temporarily. Sluggr-2

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My biggest problem with it was that when they are meeting in the abandoned building in the first episode, they explain the entire technology to the FBI guy. They say that they can put their consciousness into a person if they know the exact time, latitude, longitude and *elevation* of their death.

They then go on to explain that the FBI guy goes on to die by falling 45m down an elevator shaft.

Then his traveller comes and jumps into his body while he's still on the 12th floor.

Their elevation is off by 45m. Normally I wouldn't worry about it but they seemed to really emphasise the elevation part.

Kind of annoying.

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I think that death was slightly different for 2 reasons:

1) If they had let him fall down the elevator shaft, there would have been no complete 'body' for the traveler to take over
2) They had to explain to the audience (us) what was going on.

Since they knew he had fallen 45m down an elevator shaft, they then knew which floor he would be on in the minutes before the death (45m higher!).


Life is one hell of a thing to happen to a person.

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Truly the whole time of death thing makes no sense. They enter the body and then the person doesn't necessarily die, or you don't know why they are dying and it all seems rather random. Plus before they set off the laser, all the soldiers get replaced...but they were only going to die because they are getting replaced

Sometimes this show is like an episode of the old mission impossible...they all get it done in an incredibly flawed and improbably fashion...but hey...it's science fiction.

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