Pure, unadulterated...
...bullcrap.
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You can say bullshit, it's okay
shareSure, make a statement about a movie being "bullcrap" without explaining why. It just seems so credible.
shareThe novel was based on the BLM movement, which was in turn based on a lie perpetrated by the MSM and black anti-police activists following the Ferguson incident. The novel perpetuates the lies and half-truths behind a number of police-involved shootings that were held to be legal by independent shooting investigations and boards. Officers in a number of those shootings were found innocent after trial, after which prosecutors were motivated to bring charges only after being subjected and bowing to huge amounts of political and social pressure knowing full well the shootings were legal from the start, resulting in a waste of taxpayer money for the trials.
Philando Castile: Justified shooting per investigation, charges were still brought, trial ensued, officer acquitted.
Tamir Rice: Justified shooting per investigation, grand jury declined to bring charges.
Trayvon Martin: Justified shooting per several investigations, charges brought, jury trial, found not guilty
Alton Sterling: Justified shooting per investigations, no charges brought
Aiyana Jones: Accidental shooting victim, charges brought, series of mistrials, declination of additional trials by prosecutors
I could go on, but you get the idea.
The novel begs the reader to hate law enforcement officers for defending themselves and others with legal and appropriate deadly force. The overall message instructs readers to believe that police officers are never right, no matter what the circumstances in which deadly force is used.
The above is my opinion and I recognize that the details of the situations, circumstances, and outcomes can be argued...but, my opinion remains that the book and subsequent movie are based on emotion rather than fact, hence, "bullcrap."
Yep, BullCrap. You don't get to assemble in the street, block traffic, threaten and scare the living fuck out of everyone coming by AND call for death to cops and NOT be labeled a terrorist group. BLM bad, mkay.
Terrorist: a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
On the other hand, I haven't seen the movie. So there is that.
Not just call for the death cops but actually shoot them as well which Black Lies Matter ended up doing
shareWe have to take matters into our own hands. 😎
shareRodney Glen King (April 2, 1965 – June 17, 2012) was an American construction worker turned writer and activist after surviving an act of police brutality by the Los Angeles Police Department. On March 3, 1991, King was violently beaten by LAPD officers during his arrest for fleeing and resisting arrest on California State Route 210. A civilian, George Holliday, filmed the incident from his nearby balcony and sent the footage to local news station KTLA. The footage clearly showed King being beaten repeatedly, and the incident was covered by news media around the world.
The four officers were tried on charges of use of police brutality; three were acquitted, and the jury failed to reach a verdict on one charge for the fourth. Within hours of the acquittals, the 1992 Los Angeles riots started, sparked by outrage among African Americans over the trial's verdict and related, longstanding social issues. The rioting lasted six days and killed 63 people with 2,383 more injured; it ended only after the California Army National Guard, the United States Army and the United States Marine Corps provided reinforcements to re-establish control.
No. Police enter private residences and murder the innocent. Police gun down little boys on playgrounds. Police throw grenades on sleeping babies. Police shoot men in the back, and claim it is "self defense". When an entire population has been subjected to systematic violence for generations, and nothing has ever been done about it, are you really surprised that senseless violence would be answered by more violence? It's long overdue. 😎
shareThe federal government prosecuted a separate civil rights case, obtaining grand jury indictments of the four officers for violations of King's civil rights. Their trial in a federal district court ended on April 16, 1993, with two of the officers being found guilty and sentenced to serve prison terms. The other two were acquitted of the charges. In a separate suit, the city of Los Angeles awarded King $3.8 million in damages. He attempted to start a business, but was not successful.
shareThe above is a mini-bio on the great, late, Country singer and husband of TammyW ynette GEORGE JONES! Where'd you get HIM in all this..
shareanyone who has lived in the us knows how biased the justice system is
shareNo it was not. The novel was based on the shooting of Oscar Grant in 2009 5 years before the BLM circus.
shareIf you do some research, you'll learn you are wrong.
shareYou know what's weird? You're entire diatribe up there, you admit that its your opinion...entirely subjective. Which means, as the reader, the only thing I have at my disposal to validate your opinion with is whatever sense I can get of your judgment. Do I sense that this is a guy who's on a search for truth? A guy who, even if he may end up being wrong, is at least TRYING to be objective in his search for what's right?
And a couple posts later, someone points out that the novel is based on the shooting of Oscar Grant in 2009, something which is easily verifiable with a quick Google search, using the keyboard that's right in front of you. The truth is literally at your fingertips, only a few key-strokes away.
"If you do some research, you'll learn you are wrong".
You should take your own advice...because Kelly is absolutely right. At least from what I've been able to gather. And considering the amount of verbiage you used to condemn BLM, I imagine that if you knew HOW she was wrong, you'd have said so.
As someone listening to you, who read what you had to say...what do you think that says to me about your judgment? About how much stock to put into your opinion? Shoot, ultimately...do you see how much damage is done to your position? Because now I know that you're not a victim of a series of misunderstandings here...you didn't "accidentally" miss the truth. No, the truth was dropped right on your doorstep and you flat-out denied it.
So essentially, you are to truth what water is to fire, and whatever stance you have on this issue, its actually a safer bet to assume that the opposite is more likely to be true. And that you're an active propagandist, more than anything else.
I'm not trying to be a dick here, but it seems like I run into this all the time...people who seem to do their position more harm than good...that seem to undermine their own integrity with the strength of their convictions. Seems like an easily avoidable pitfall if you just try and speak for the truth, rather than for what you WANT to believe.
There are a surprising number of trolls on this site considering its small user base. I think Nuke up there is just trying to be a justified racist.
He also said BLM was calling for cops to die, but that's well known as a myth.
Yeah, you're aware of that one, huh?
At a BLM rally, some guys that apparently weren't even a part of the rally, shouted out "Death to pigs" a couple times, and BOOM, the propagandists never looked back; "THEY WANT TO KILL ALL COPS!"
Now, how dry does that well have to be that they need to dig so deep, you know? Sure, it sounds like some pretty damning stuff to someone who'd take that slander at face value, but all you need to do is BARELY scratch the surface to see the desperation behind it.
These guys discredit themselves and their position, but I bet you're right...they're just using whatever means to justify their racist ideology...truth be damned. Spreading their BS, its hard not to want to choke them out a little though lol
I can fn assure you there is plenty in the 'well' to discredit this horrific 'movement'.
shareCan you?
Kk everybody, some random dude on the internet said it, so...there we go. Never mind the hyperbole, he knows what he's talking about. He can assure you.
See, I'd use horrific when talking about a double homicide involving children...as would most people, I'd imagine.
Using that term to refer to a movement that exists solely to see justice being served equally...it says more about you than them.
Maybe you're right though, GM, who knows? You want to expand some? Assure me?
BLM is a horrific movement filled by racist mouth-pieces who suggest that no one who isn't black can have an opinion. It fills the heads of white people with utter lies about how black people are threatened by the police and suffer injustice as a normal occurrence. Many 'fake-scared' blacks as a result become MORE violent and uncooperative with the police as a result and increase their chances of some tragedy occurring. Telling little kids to fear the police is nonsense and is harmful. Movies like this flaming pile of s_t present a completely fake and pathetic portrayal of those who don't agree with BLM movements. You can see how totally delusional the filmmakers are through their fiction. What do you expect from a movie/book that glorifies 2Pac like he's some kind of messiah? The delusion will not quit.
shareTotally agree iwith ALL BLM commenters here! (And Linda Cockroach-Sarsour, not even BLACK and a MUSLIM at THAT, is associated with them()
sharePeople of every race world wide march for BLM. It is a pro Black movement. To say it is racist is just silly. Against who, exactly?
shareNot only is it racist, it defies basic logic, it is a completely deranged movement that is undermining the foundation of sanity.
shareHow is asking black people to receive justice defying basic logic.
shareBecause it operates under the presumption that someone/the police force/society MUST be racist with the same stereotyping that BLM whines is happening to black people.
shareYou mean what is actually happening?
It is obvious you are a troll. Some posts you are talking shit about black people, some posts you claim to be black.
Go troll somewhere else......
No, that's just your little BLM brain telling you I'm talking shit about black people. You can't find one quote that confirms that lie, just more evidence of the effect this delusional movement has on people.
shareTroll
shareDumbass.
shareTroll
shareI literally just told someone I get called a troll ALL the time by those who have run out of arguments, and your idiocy is no exception to the rule.
shareYou get called a troll cuz you are clearly trolling.....troll
shareI get called a troll by idiots who can't refute what I say. You're revealing how much of an idiot you are by thinking whoever pulls the troll card has "won".
shareMaybe in your head. In reality, once you say things like you have, you make it clear......
shareName one thing I said that indicates I'm a "troll". Go ahead and make a fool of yourself further.
shareI am not playing this troll game with you. You are typing so based on that, I am going to assume you can read it yourself.....most things you said were pretty troll like...take your pick. Nobody is as ignorant as you unless they try really hard to stay that way. I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are a troll and not just really, REALLY stupid.....
shareStill can't refute what I say, you little jellybean?
shareItalianBuju, by his name, MUST be a MAFIA supporter and have Sinatra CDs on..just saying..:)(
sharePhilando Castile: Justified shooting per investigation,
Tamir Rice: Justified shooting per investigation,
Trayvon Martin: Justified shooting per several investigations,
Alton Sterling: Justified shooting per investigations
Aiyana Jones: Accidental shooting victim
Excuse me? You are a coward if you cannot stand up to police.
These murders were not justified. Tamir Rice was a little 12-year-old boy playing outside. Philando Castile was reaching for his wallet. There's no evidence that Alton Sterling threatened anyone nor reached for his gun. Police lie all the time to save their own asses.
Trayvon Martin was a teen boy minding his own goddamn business, he had every right to walk home, and a fat psycho started stalking him. Fatty Zimmerman was NOT law enforcement.
Aiyana Jones was a seven-year-old girl that police murdered w/ a machine gun! Do reasonable thoughts ever enter your mind? It's not okay to "accidentally" murder an innocent child w/ a machine gun, and no one was held accountable. Why on earth are police conducting raids in residential neighborhoods using discontinued military-grade equipment and firing grenades into people's houses anyway!?
What kind of country do you want to live in? Take some time to think about that question, bc this type of excessively violent police activity doesn't need to happen in the USA. Police are militarized and use excessive force, and they are never held accountable, which is scary. If you think this is acceptable then you do not belong in my country, and you should move to Iraq.
Do not say that murdering any one of them was "justified". It was not "justified" just bc white people and "investigations" said so. You really expect white people to investigate themselves fairly and honestly? LOL. That's like asking corporations to regulate themselves.
You can't even be honest with yourself if you think a seven-year-old needed to die, and what the police did to her and her family was okay. Move to Fallujah. share
Basically, Nuke is saying that those black lives don't matter because a court said so.
I guarantee you, if those five examples were all white people killed in the same circumstances and the shootings were called justified, Nuke's opinion would be flipped.
"Trayvon Martin was a teen boy minding his own goddamn business, he had every right to walk home, and a fat psycho started stalking him. Fatty Zimmerman was NOT law enforcement."
Man who gives a s_T? That does not give the kid the right to pummel the guy to the ground!! Stop focusing on the 'stalking', which was unnecessary but not illegal. The only person to commit a crime was the person who freaked out because they were being 'stalked'.
Stop focusing on the stalking?
Dude, that's what instigated it. Zimmerman instigated it, gun in pocket, after explicitly being told to back off. Nobody knows exactly what happened, but we DO know that it could have been prevented had Zimmerman not tried to play cop and confront a kid who was just walking home from the store.
IMO? Zimmerman deserved to get his ass beat. He wouldn't have been near as brave as he was without that gun...it was likely the only reason he chose to confront, which in other words, is arming yourself and then going to look for trouble. He's since proven himself a complete jackass, he's a decrepit excuse for a human being, and people who stand behind him now are making it pretty plain what they're all about.
Also, I don't know about you, but most people can't pick and choose what they focus on and just blot out the rest. Sounds like that might be your cup of tea, but telling someone else to do the same makes you seem like an idiot.
Here's the thing, I don't CARE who 'instigated' it. If I call you an idiot right now, yes, I'm an instigator. Yes, it's not a nice thing to do.
DOES THAT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO BEAT MY ASS?
NO.
It is not a crime to call you an idiot and it is not crime to follow someone in your neighborhood. I don't give a damn what kind of person he is. I'm picking and choosing by determining who committed a crime. I don't care if you think he's a coward for having a gun. I know it's not 'cool' or 'respectable' to not rely on your fighting ability when you confront someone and prefer to have the upper hand instead. Approaching unknown people in the middle of the night could be dangerous, so yes, you're such a badass if you do it with no gun. Good for you. Not everyone is trying to die so they can look cool. It's also hilarious how people always turn Zimmerman into a white dude to fit their asinine narrative. If he were black, NO ONE WOULD CARE. Hows that for privilege?
"...The only person to commit a crime was the person who freaked out because they were being 'stalked'. "
I think that's self-defense. Something people like you are real antsy to give black people leeway for in these scenarios. For some reason. Cannot pinpoint it.
Yeah you can think that all you want but you DO NOT attack someone for simply following you. What if they were trying to ask you a question? Geez it's so stupid and if they did have malicious intent attacking them puts you in way more danger than running away.
share"...Yeah you can think that all you want but you DO NOT attack someone for simply following you. What if they were trying to ask you a question? Geez it's so stupid and if they did have malicious intent attacking them puts you in way more danger than running away."
If he ran away, I'm certain Zimmerman would had just shot him in the back.
This type of thinking is so messed up. If this was his 17 year old daughter being 'stalked' by a grown ass man, would he feel that was a non issue? Dumbasses.
share"...These murders were not justified."
They were not murders, they were homicides, yes...but, not murders - look it up.
"...Trayvon Martin was a teen boy minding his own goddamn business..."
Yes, until he started beating Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk.
"...Aiyana Jones was a seven-year-old girl that police murdered w/ a machine gun!"
First, not murder. Second, you make it sound like police just wandered into the home and decided to shoot her. That was not the case, and a little bit of searching will show you what you don't want to see.
"...Why on earth are police conducting raids in residential neighborhoods..."
Because that's where the arrest warrant -- signed by a judge -- told them to go to arrest a suspect.
"...using discontinued military-grade equipment...
And, what equipment would that have been? And, even if it was discontinued by the military, so what?
"...and firing grenades into people's houses anyway!?"
They threw a standard flash-bang or stun grenade, which is standard practice on a SWAT team dynamic entry. You're making it sound like they lobbed in a fragmentation grenade...not the case at all.
"...You can't even be honest with yourself if you think a seven-year-old needed to die..."
No, no innocent person "needs" to die. No I don't think what the police did was "ok." No rational person would believe that. Do I believe that cops are human and make mistakes that occasionally lead to tragic death? Yes, it happens in a very very small percentage of police interactions with the public, and along with errors made, cops are wracked with shame and guilt over it to the point that psychologically they are never the same, they get divorced, they are in therapy for decades, their relationship with their kids deteriorates, they leave policing, they can't hold other jobs, their finances become a wreck, and, they take their own lives.
Arguing with brick walls here. Hmm, on second thought, I don't want to insult the walls.
shareAMEN
shareJust the POSTER turns me off, never mind the crappy story it's advertising. Plus, the word "hate" in the title is also a turn-off.
shareTamir Rice’s shooting was not justified. Mike Brown’s definitely was. A scenario like that in this movie is in a grey area. We don’t need BLMers claiming they are all unjustified, and we also don’t need people like you who make excuses for all of these shootings.
sharealso, the bastard Micah Xavier that shot and killed 5 police officers in Dallas was a BLM supporter
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2f/2016_Dallas_police_shooting_memorial_service.jpg
Dang, I didn't even know about this propaganda. Vomit.🤮
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