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S01E10: A turn for the worse...

posted 9 years ago by shide_85
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The last couple of episodes I get the notion that it's slipping a little (the positive being it's still partly raw). The segment about the german not guilty of terrorism was quite a good segment.
Though he looked guilty of other things looks is deceptive - that is why we have laws, what can be proven in a court of law is required for formal recognition of guilt. - SOme in depth on who signed off on Guantanmo etc would have also been suitable.

Btw info on the "Segment Director" would be good ("Brennan Schoff"), a person without a site on IMDb at the moment.

Some notions that I do dislike - the notion that physical evidence in voting is antiquated; that's as a conservative notion as they come as electronic voting machines makes it substantially easier to get away with all kinds of fraudulent manipulation of everything from single votes to full elections (Bush & Diebold anyone? Mitt Romney and that debacle...). Somehow the notion of the voting frauds committed and exposed (outside mainstream media, by proper analysts) previously, was not noted...

Atleast with physical ballots there is ways to stop a fraudulent system by tweaking the manner in which votes are handled and use new technology to instantly verify casted votes. Using electronic voting machines when voting is idiotic as the machines, software and the internet (route hijacking etc) is not safe from manipulation. Having one political party with direct ties to several of the manufacturers does not help.

A show about the milestones reached by SpaceX could have been done (which by now is allmost old news).
A show with more primary electiondata analysed in depth would have been nice.

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[–] cosmo7 9 years ago

I know this show is on TBS, which is owned by Time Warner, which is a top donor to the Clinton campaign, but in the past, she at least tried to be fair to Sanders and his supporters. Not this episode.

Way to...not do any research at all on #BernieorBust. There's no tantrum throwing. We're talking about asking people to support Hillary, despite her well-documented lies (Bosnian sniper fire, the Columbian trade deal, ...). Imagine if you needed a babysitter, and someone insisted you settle on one you couldn't trust. You'd say NO. Bernie or Busters want you to understand that POTUS is a trusted position, and Hillary does not meet their standards for trust.
http://usuncut.com/politics/democrats-dnc-bullying-sanders/

Look up all the election fraud that's happened in the Democratic primaries that hasn't happened in the Republican primaries.
https://medium.com/@spencergundert/hillary-clinton-and-electoral-fraud-992ad9e080f6#.z7oqgkwtb
Even if you think Hillary is innocent of this (which is a stretch), you wouldn't want your candidate to win dirty, right? You would want her to demand that the race was a fair one. Hillary hasn't said anything, and her helper DWS just makes excuses.
http://usuncut.com/politics/debbie-wasserman-schultz-primaries

Bernie is the only one who has a real shot at defeating Trump. He's more electable, super delegates can switch and they have in the past, so it's only reasonable to ask them. There are more independents than Democrats. Bernie has their support. He consistently beats Trump in polls.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-democrats-change-mind-hillary-article-1.2631326

Are Bernie or Busters throwing tantrums after how poorly the Clinton campaign has treated them, or are they trying to save democracy itself when you can't be bothered to give a crap? Hey, Samantha?

http://smokinghotpoliticaljunkies.com/a-former-paid-internet-troll-for-clinton-speaks-out-it-was-nasty-and-left-a-very-bad-taste/

Lastly, Samantha's a Canadian who got her U.S. citizenship. As a fellow Canadian, I wish she were a better representative. I've been reading up on U.S. politics since January and I know more than she does about the Bernie/Hillary race, when *it's her job* to be informed about politics.

[–] shide_85 9 years ago

Hillary is as far as i know a part of the informal power structure she has to struggle with to bring the country forward (this has even akwardly been mentioned by several mainstream news reporters who cannot properly handle talking about it).

Bernie has a choice to make not unlike that in Brazil not too long ago if he is "defeated", the right choice - to start a new party, going in it to win votes, supporters and power for the next election. If Hillary wins the democratic primary Bernie has that option (that he can do so). He can go about it in two ways - either see to that Warren and himself gets prominent positions in the gov. (and bureaucracy) and that he gets several issues through (which by the financial backing Hillary has is unlikely) or as mentioned go through with forming a new party.

Overall I think Full Frontal has been somewhat positive. It has qualities (disregarding the "purple") and is sharper and more direct than the Daily Show.
However representing the best candidate should as you put forth probably be the route to go (if you are not a sexist, or rationalise that only baby steps can be taken from the current political position - which it is probable that Hillary might bring).

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[–] cosmo7 9 years ago

I'm not quite sure what you're saying.

Hillary has made speeches in front of the Wall Street crowd and refuses to admit what she said (it must be bad). She takes in donations from big corporations. She's not trying to move the country forward. She's holding it back, by allowing big money and Wall Street to continue to influence politics.

Re: your last paragraph (if I understand correctly):
Accusing Bernie or Busters of throwing tantrums is unfair, not positive. That she said it tells me she doesn't do her research. Trevor on the Daily Show did it too.

No, I'm not a sexist, but Hillary is. She wants people to vote for her just because she's female, and cries 'sexism' when people confront her on her awful record. That's not real feminism. When she was a lawyer starting out, she represented a rapist. She made up stories about the 12-year-old rape victim and laughed about it later, knowing her client was guilty. Look how she treats any woman who has accused her husband of sexual assault or harrassment: she treats those women like garbage (Juanita Broaddrick and Monica Lewinsky are two examples). She is no defender of women. Bernie is. He'll let female protesters have their say during his events.

There's been questions of election fraud in many states. If Hillary wanted to win cleanly, she would denounce this. The fact that she doesn't tells me she's complicit (most likely) or surrounds herself with incompetents who shield her (that's hardly acceptable either). At the convention in Nevada, the Democratic chair disregarded the votes of the people there in favor of Hillary. They stole democracy. Trump may be awful, but he didn't cheat. Hillary is the bigger threat to democracy, because she has actions*, while Trump only has words. Americans (mostly Bernie supporters) have lost their votes by the hundreds of thousands, democracy is at stake, and if Samantha were under the thumb of Hillary supporting bosses, the least she could do is say nothing instead of adding to dishonest tales told about Bernie supporters.

* http://justicegazette.org/hillary-clinton-the-vote-killer.html
http://www.inquisitr.com/3111426/kentucky-is-just-one-of-several-states-investigating-voter-fraud/

I appreciate what Samantha has done with her other stories, like the sexual harrassment one. I've followed the Hollaback campaign and read how poorly women get treated in most of the world - I live in a small town and don't go out much, so I'm not affected by it much. But I'm not sure that Samantha's bias makes it worth it to watch the show. If she really cared about women, she'd stop with the pro-Hillary and anti-Bernie bias.

[–] shide_85 9 years ago

I'm saying Hillary is part of the problem these days and not the solution, being forced to battle the informal interest groups behind the scenes is very unlikely if you are a part of some of them.

I'll quote myself about the show:

Full Frontal with Samantha Bee (2016) : S01E10: A turn for the worse...

Before episode 10 the show seemed somewhat balanced within the liberal and democratical field, but as an example denouncing what happened with cointosses, implying with twisted footage that Bernie Sanders is spinning up some false rumors is basically outright lying to the audience.

Accusing Bernie or Busters of throwing tantrums is unfair, not positive. That she said it tells me she doesn't do her research. Trevor on the Daily Show did it too.

I agree, and I don't think I've given any notion of thinking otherwise?

Regarding the moral sentiment about the candidates I also concur in that Bernie is the best option hands down.

But I'm not sure that Samantha's bias makes it worth it to watch the show. If she really cared about women, she'd stop with the pro-Hillary and anti-Bernie bias.

I agree, a big symbolic win is not worth anything unless it has a real effect on the system. Hillary has been affected by those who has funded her and the time she has spent in politics - that much is clear (atleast to me). There is being pragmatic and there is simply being out of touch with what values you are supposed to represent as a democratic representative. If Bernie doesn't win and Hillary does not conceed BIG on powerful assignments and questions it's time to break off from the "democratic" party and form one based on real democracy.

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[–] cosmo7 9 years ago

I see. We seem to be on the same page then.