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Daily Show castaways are garbage

posted 9 years ago by nathanbolstad
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Not one of them has made anything good since they left the show

Inb4 someone brings up last week tonight and reminds us of the current year, John Oliver has dumb opinions and uses buzzfeed as a source

[–] cosmo7 9 years ago

Nope. John Oliver has a lot of good opinions, and I've learned a lot from his show. He's the only one I like. His 'schtick' is fine with me (example, John Oliver will go "okay okay" and Samantha will concern troll annoyingly). He may be on a comedy show and use goofy sources, but of all the issues that I'm familiar with in my own research, he takes a reasonable position, even if he doesn't explain properly (refugees, Canadian election, online female harassment).

Samantha, on the other hand, has some messed up ideas about the Democratic primary. I'm not sure if I should stick with her.

[–] nathanbolstad 9 years ago

John Oliver has a lot of good opinions

He's like the Huffington Post if it became a British person. Even Jon Stewart made an attempt at ridiculing both sides of the aisle/seeing issues from more than one angle.

he takes a reasonable position

The position may be reasonable but the way he arrives at it can be dishonest to the point where he loses all credibility. It taints whatever conclusion he arrives at.

Take for example the female harassment episode. On a previous episode he said that a world leader was being a wimp about people talking negatively about him on the internet and told the guy to basically 'grow a pair'. He contradicts himself later on by making a federal case out of what amounted to your every day trolling when it was directed at women.

The bizarre part of that episode was how he feigned ignorance of US law. If someone sends you death threats, and you report these to the police, they'll investigate and try to track down the perpetrator. We already have laws on the books that protect people from anonymous threats online and yet he was acting like these laws didn't exist.

[–] cosmo7 9 years ago

Take for example the female harassment episode...

Women have to fear for their safety more than men. Not long ago I was watching Beat the Press (WGBH) and of the panel, the women said they'd received death threats, but the men had just received insults.

The bizarre part of that episode was how he feigned ignorance of US law...

OK. But...it doesn't seem to be enough, for the simple existence of #Gamergate, where women were becoming afraid for their lives, and no one was getting disciplined for it. I heard a woman offered a huge reward to catch a death threat-maker and no one took her up on it.

How many men have to worry about being killed, just because they didn't want to go out on a date? Women do. Online and offline, women aren't on a level playing field with men.
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/10/09/3578215/street-harassment-escalates/

With that said about defending their take on female harrassment, Last Week Tonight totally botched their Primaries and Caucuses episode. Their sloppy research caught up with them. They claimed Sanders couldn't have caught up to Hillary's (supposed) 3 million vote lead, but they didn't say anything about all the cheating and voter suppression, in most of the states. What would the race look like if the fraud were taken into account? There was no word about the hundreds of thousands taken off voter rolls in NY. None about the mismatched vote totals and exit polls (see Chicago), an indication of fraud. And Hillary supporters complain about Berner math, ha!

[–] nathanbolstad 9 years ago

Women have to fear for their safety more than men.

This is statistically false. Men are way more likely to be the victims of violent crimes like assault or murder. Men kill men more than men kill women or even assault women. Female vs female violence is way more rare.

Not long ago I was watching Beat the Press (WGBH) and of the panel, the women said they'd received death threats, but the men had just received insults.

I'm not sure how a panel on a show I've never heard of is in any way relevant to the conversation. That's just a group of people having a conversation on tv.

But...it doesn't seem to be enough, for the simple existence of #Gamergate, where women were becoming afraid for their lives, and no one was getting disciplined for it.

Gamergate was a hashtag. Anyone can make or use a hashtag. The entire story makes it sound like some teenagers trolling on twitter were somehow as dangerous as ISIS. Completely absurd. If there were death threats, they were reported to twitter and the police. Where are the culprits? Why did none of these women take the people threatening them to court? Where are the arrests? Law enforcement in the US takes death threats very seriously, and the FBI even investigated the people involved in Gamergate and yet, no arrests, no convictions, nothing. If your issue is that somebody called someone else a bad word on the internet, that's not a death threat and you should probably grow thicker skin.

How many men have to worry about being killed, just because they didn't want to go out on a date? Women do. Online and offline, women aren't on a level playing field with men.

Are you saying that this happens often? Men get killed for equally stupid reasons quite often. If you're a guy, wearing the wrong color in some neighborhoods can get you shot. Refer to my first point, violence perpetrated by men often victimizes other men more than it does women.

Also, I'm not really sure what people want done about street harassment. You can't really police somebody whistling or staring at a woman and checking her out. I don't get mad when girls check me out but then again I'm not a lunatic. If you're that insecure about somebody looking at you or commenting on your body, you might want to see a therapist. Humans are attracted to other humans and most men are really bad at approaching women. The entire idea that any of this leads to some sort of violent assault more than rarely is an absurd hallucination in the minds of rape culture crazies. Sex assault and rape rates have been on a steady decline since the 70s.

[–] cosmo7 8 years ago

Female vs female violence is way more rare.

It's also not the issue. The issue is the fear women have in their daily lives, usually from men, which bring me to this:

This is statistically false

The statistics don't accurately reflect reality because women women rarely report rapes (EXTREMELY rarely). It's for obvious reasons...just look at your reaction and how dismissive you are over womens' safety. Women get way worse crap than that for reporting rapes and a range of assaults, and they don't want the blowback. I have no doubt there are also women who won't even admit domestic violence to themselves, so there's no way they'll admit it to the cops. Do your homework, which will involve shutting up and listening/reading. Only when everyone takes womens' safety seriously and they feel they can speak up about violence, only then can we have a serious statistical discussion on who puts up with the most violence: women or men.

If there were death threats, they were reported to twitter and the police. Where are the culprits?

What do you mean, "if there were death threats?" There were death threats. The culprits were anonymous. No wonder women feel unsafe, when their lives are threatened and people don't take it seriously.

You can't really police somebody whistling or staring at a woman and checking her out.

So you're a man explaining what it's like to be a woman. Heh. You haven't the first clue what the issue of street harrassment is about for women (hint, it frequently involves stalking, fondling, graphic insults, and escalating violence). Do some reading at Hollaback, or try this: http://whenwomenrefuse.tumblr.com/

You could even use an obviously female name online for a while. You might learn something.

[–] nathanbolstad 8 years ago

It's also not the issue.

You ignored the entire message. Men are more likely to suffer violence than women. Men are more likely to be assaulted or murdered by men.

The statistics don't accurately reflect reality

But they do. They don't reflect the reality you're trying to represent. This is a case of "facts and statistics don't support my claim".

It's for obvious reasons...just look at your reaction and how dismissive you are over womens' safety.

Women don't report violent crimes because of posts on iMDB? What world do you live in?

Do your homework

I did. I looked at crime stats gathered by the FBI. I've read several studies on the subject. You read a bunch of posts on tumblr.

You are more focused on feelings than facts.

which will involve shutting up and listening/reading.

This is why nobody likes social justice warriors. "Listen and believe, even when what we say is easily debunked".

Only when everyone takes womens' safety seriously

We already do.

they feel they can speak up about violence

They already do.

only then can we have a serious statistical discussion

As long as it doesn't include statistics that don't support your narrative, yes?

who puts up with the most violence: women or men.

Yeah the numbers don't lie. It's still men.

There were death threats. The culprits were anonymous.

Anonymous on twitter? Do you know what an IP address is? Do you know how reporting death threats works? Do you realize that anonymously emailing or tweeting death threats still makes the perpetrator traceable by law enforcement?

So you're a man explaining what it's like to be a woman. Heh.

You're one of those limp wristed beta male types that gets triggered by "mansplaining", eh?

If I don't have the first clue about the issue then neither do you, regardless of how many tumblr posts you've read on the subject. But since you're playing the part of The White Knight that's here to save m'lady from evildoers, you should probably know you sound like a condescending douche to women that aren't afraid of their own shadows when they step out in public. I 100% support a woman's right to conceal/carry a firearm to protect herself from would be attackers. Women are tough. They don't need wimps like you making excuses for them. If every woman had a gun and the right to defend themselves during a life threatening situation, there'd be a lot less scum bags on the streets. Do you support a woman's right to own firearms and defend themselves? Something tells me you aren't.

[–] BrainGirl78 9 years ago

You people are aware that these shows are written by TEAMS OF WRITERS? The hosts are just the "figurehead" for the show.

[–] oneseat 9 years ago

Good point, BrainGirl78. I personally think the writers of Full Frontal with Samantha Bee and of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver are very good, and I enjoy and look forward to both shows, though not every bit is satisfying or convincing. In addition, Jason Jones' new comedy, The Detour, is bizarre and hilarious. Larry Wilmore is not all that funny on The Nightly Show, but his team is very good for giving non-white perspectives on America.

[–] Bullish_Captain 8 years ago

My opinion - Put me down for the opposite of everything nathanbolstad has posted.