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Commentators such as Bee own the Democrat's loss

posted 8 years ago by BiffGG
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Even though Sanders was not a Democrat in long term registry he was more closely aligned with Democratic philosophy than was Clinton. Instead of making an obvious choice and perhaps offending a few party elders and power brokers many in the media drank the Clinton Kool-aid in terms of invincibility. Further, many rank and file Democrats in a tizzy to continue the FU statement to the rest of the country decided that Hillary was the best approach to this as the Clinton's skated through scandal after scandal much to the consternation of many. Next time the right candidate is right under your nose you select him or her to represent your party. Don't select a "rebel" for the sake of selecting a rebel.

[–] Gothish 8 years ago

The funny thing is that Hillary is not a rebel in any way except the obvious one, that she's a woman. Otherwise she's as entrenched in the good-old-boy system as any other career politician.

What's bugging me about liberals and the way they are reacting is that they won't just admit that they were so, so wrong, and just let Trump and the Republican party have this victory, at least for a bit. They accuse Trump and Company of being evil hatemongers, but the hatred and vitriol spewed in his direction was mind-numbing. Ms. Bee herself has called him some of the most vile names I've ever heard. Regardless of whether you like him as a personality or agree with his politics, he is a human being, and does not deserve to be treated like a lowlife creature unworthy of walking the earth with the sainted liberals.

"Two gin and Frescas"
"Shaken, not ridiculed"

[–] BiffGG 8 years ago

Thank you for replying. Upon rereading my OP I was afraid something got lost in terms of expressing my thoughts as I was in a hurry to got out the door but wanted to get the post done.

I think that Clinton is a rebel for more than being a woman but it is hard to describe in a short paragraph. I think people were drawn to her because she appeared to disregard authority when you look at the E mail controversy. Looking past the blowing sand which were all the statements as to why she chose to conduct government business on a private server it appears to me that she took this action completely on her own volition.

What Trump will be is fairly unknown at present and I think quite a bit of hate at this point is unwarranted. Yes, I know he has made public statements but I question just how much he will adhere to any rhetoric from his campaign. In the past he has made statements that show him to be somewhat liberal as he has supported abortion. I would tend to go off his positions prior to the last couple years as far as his probable positions as POTUS. Look at how he got to where he is as of a day ago. His own party did not want him and in return he owes no favors. I honestly think that he will not be to unlike a Rockefeller Republican which was a more liberal era for that party. I do not consider myself a Trump fan but at this point I will wait for the mistakes to happen before I rake him over the coals.

[–] Gothish 8 years ago

I think that Clinton is a rebel for more than being a woman but it is hard to describe in a short paragraph. I think people were drawn to her because she appeared to disregard authority when you look at the E mail controversy. Looking past the blowing sand which were all the statements as to why she chose to conduct government business on a private server it appears to me that she took this action completely on her own volition.

Ah, I think I understand what you're saying. Her behavior regarding the emails may have been uncommon, but I still think she's more a political insider, albeit one who made a really stupid mistake. I'm guessing she's more embarrassed than anything else, as I don't think she used that server with malicious intent.

Completely agree with your assessment of Trump. And I can't help but laugh at the way some are carrying on - the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments, as if Trump's win is signaling the apocalypse, is equal parts hilarious and maddening.

"Two gin and Frescas"
"Shaken, not ridiculed"

[–] uchyonyj 8 years ago

What's bugging me about liberals and the way they are reacting is that they won't just admit that they were so, so wrong, and just let Trump and the Republican party have this victory

Introspection is not an attribute ascribable to the left.

[–] uchyonyj 8 years ago

The Clintons' grip on the democrat party prevented them engaging in the process of selecting the strongest candidate (Sanders) via a legit primary process. If they are going to be honest with themselves blame needs to fall squarely on Bill and Hillary.

[–] Wallabee_Champ 8 years ago

Bee and Oliver both share a lot of the blame. Both have shows where they practically yell their takes about how stupid someone could be for not sharing their views. Who are these takes appealing to except for people who totally believe in them? They're not trying to change minds or open dialogue; they're literally trying to shout down dissenters.

A lot of Democrats didn't accept Hillary. For all her talk of breaking the glass ceiling and voting for her because she was a woman, she was totally a product of the old boy network. But watch Bee's piece on why Bee is voting for her and she sounds like some kind of pioneer. Bee's portrayal of Hillary didn't match the real Hillary, but Bee couldn't stop shouting.

So, yeah, I blame these smug jerks for Trump. Instead of using their shows for comedy or opening discussion, they were too busy yelling at us for how stupid we all are.

[–] Gothish 8 years ago

 exactly!

"Two gin and Frescas"
"Shaken, not ridiculed"

[–] !!!deleted!!! (47421091) 8 years ago

For all her talk of breaking the glass ceiling and voting for her because she was a woman, she was totally a product of the old boy network.

There is no longer a glass ceiling. That was quietly taken down many years ago and recycled into something more sinister, but that's for another day. Nobody flinches anymore when a woman runs for mayor, governor, representative or senator.

The fact is that Hillary herself was the reason we still haven't had a woman President. America was itching to prove itself as not being misogynistic just as it proved it wasn't racist by electing Barack Obama. Hillary was more corrupt than any male who ever held the office of President, and that included Nixon. Yes, I too would love to see a woman President, but there's no way I could possibly have voted for her.

If Hillary was a man, she would have been indicted, found guilty, and incarcerated.

As for Samantha, her one sided spew against conservatives when there was just *so* much material on the left she could have satirized helped me decide my vote, and it wasn't for Hillary.