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How real is Daniel's situation?


I wondered if it is possible in the UK that a health benefits organization ignores the assessment of three health professionals, as in Daniel Blake's case? Anyone in England who can elaborate?

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I get ESA having been signed off by my GP. The situation depicted in the film is a complete fabrication. The scenes in the job centre were so far removed from reality it was embarrassing.

The director has invented 95% of the JSA/ESA 'experience' to fit his hard-left narrative.

An absurd film that is (I assume) unintentionally comedic in parts.

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Haha - nothing funnier or more hypocritical than a right-wing "benefits scrounger." Oh I'm sure you "really deserve it" but everyone else is a moocher. It reminds me of dumb white-trash hicks marching around at "Tea Party" and Trump rallies with signs "Keep Your Government Hands Off My Medicare/Social Security."

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And you wonder why Trump won...

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Because a lot of people are ignorant, hypocritical twats who couldn't give a sh!t whether their president is fit to lead as long as he's anti-establishment.

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You may have been one of the many who get through the system and are supported by the system. I am an Employment Advisor working within mental health services, and I have clients who have had no difficulties at all. However, there are also many of my clients who have had to go through enormous amounts of stress to claim what is their entitlement.
There have been drastic changes to the way the system has been administrated in the last five years. Perhaps rightly so, but those changes have intentionally made it harder to claim a health related benefit - switch from one means-tested benefit to another means-tested benefit and all other entitlements are automatically switched off while the claim is processed. Once, if you wanted to appeal a decision, you could do so and still keep your benefit, at a reduced rate, while the appeal was being heard; that is no longer an option, your benefit is stopped until your appeal, or Mandatory Reconsideration, is heard and still won't be reinstated if you are turned down again while you wait go to Tribunal, which can take months. By all means challenge and re-assess, but don't leave people without a means to live while you're doing it. And it's nice to know that there are examples of the system working.

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Just like that?! I don't think so. Tin Tin's talking rubbish. Nothing needed to be invented. What happens in the film happens to thousands. Many die.

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I do think so. I've found the Job Centre and ESA very amenable indeed as I work through a difficult period in my life.

The naked aggression of the Job Centre worker towards DB had people laughing at the screening I was at - which was in Edinburgh.

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i have witnessed 1st hand the diabolical treatment of claimants !and i found the film very accurately portrayed i even witnessed a security guard forcibly man handling a young mother whilst taking her mobile from her so tin tin you are either an out of touch tory or allergic to the truth !

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Tin Tin-3 - what an absolute load of rubbish you spout! my partner who has an illness that she will never get better from but only worse has had her benefit cut by over half!!she now has under £250 a month to live off!! even though she was signed of for life by GPs, etc, this is happening to 1000s upon 1000s of people.. get in the real world ans listen to people not the Torie government

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Tin Tin-3, you are a complete moron.

"Paul Turner

The 52-year-old dad-of-one, from Erdington, died from ischaemic heart disease after Government assessors had his benefits stopped and ruled he was fit for work.

According to the Birmingham Mail, Mr Turner was claiming around £400 per month incapacity benefit until he was called in for a review at the Midlands disability benefits centre in January 2012. Three weeks later he received a letter stating he was not entitled to the new Employment and Support Allowance – the payment that had replaced Incapacity Benefit."

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/local-news/birmingham-dad-dies-of-heart-condition-187961

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It's unfortunately very true, we live in a society that has demonised the situation of losing your job or not being able to work. Probably instilled by government policy controlling the"scrounged" media feeding frenzy IMHO.

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The problem with people like Tin Tin-3 is that if they haven't experienced it and nobody they know has then it's all fabrication. This is such a narrow-minded position to take that it's astonishing how anyone of the least intelligence could take it. As the many news reports linked in this thread and the posts by people working in the field show the situation depicted in the film is all too real.

Tin Tin-3, my advice to you (and it's well-meant) is to try to understand that it's possible that the things you experience are not a universal rule. The evidence that it's not so in this case is overwhelming. Look at it and learn.

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Yes, it's true. They do ignore them. I should know, I have had 3 work capability assessments, scored zero points and declared fit for work. When I appealed the decision at a tribunal I scored 18 points and declared unfit for work. The assessments are corrupt.

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If anything, the reality is often worse than that portrayed in the film.
The following is a quote from Michael Nixon, who's the manager at the Benwell foodbank in Newcastle, where the foodbank scenes were researched and filmed:

"I, Daniel Blake was extremely accurate, very well researched and by no means exaggerated,” said Michael, who has helped run the foodbank since it opened in 2013.

"We could think of many clients who are in far worse situations than the story told. I would say it’s a good representation of the clients we see.

We have many, many clients who are signed off by their doctor, but told they are fit for work. It’s not at all uncommon.

We have a client here today who has a spinal injury. He’s awaiting surgery, he’s signed off by his doctor and he’s been sanctioned for not co-operating with his job search requirement."


http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/how-heartbreaking-reality-west-end-12055603

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Sadly too real. Met Daniels who had a similar fate to the character as a result of what happened to them under similar circumstances which still makes me sad. This film was an extremely powerful reminder of that and how the under the current government it's almost definitely going to get even worse.

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I know from experience that a lot of what is shown in the film is true. As for ignoring doctors etc., I know it happens because I've read so many genuine cases where these kinds of things have happened. That's why they have their private (which is an insult it itself) healthcare pros to make the decisions... they want it to be decided by them.

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Just to provide some context to the situation, the UK had a very high percentage of our working age population in receipt of health related benefits for non-visible conditions.

Our workers are not up chimney's or digging coal mines anymore, it was obvious the system was allowing many who could work to not have to. The problem was so bad, people questioned whether "care giving" doctors were a bit too much of a soft touch to be making such judgements.

The public/media demanded this be fixed and in response the government has reactionarily gone too far in the other direction.

Any sense of balance would be too radical for our media and, therefore, our politicians so the situation will probably get worse and then fly back over to the other side where it will be deemed evil to question anything anyone claims is wrong with them no matter the potential for ulterior motive.

As bloody always, those in genuine need are the losers.

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A couple of months now since release and the film is already forgotten.

Cathy Come Home still remembered 50 years later.

Draw your own conclusions about this ham-handed, fictitious lefty crap.

...and that's from someone currently on ESA.

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Why should I believe you, "Tin Tin-3", rather than Ken Loach?

Btw, in the two last months alone, this film has won no less than 4 International awards. So much about being "forgotten".

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You are a walking placard of post-fact fake-news. You refuse to believe the evidence in front of your nose, even a guy who works there commented to say the film is accurate but you're just mired in willing ignorance .... twat!

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I found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FR0EoRHTfI

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