The US Govt (CIA) raises "black funds" via the drug trade so I'm not sure if this movie is going to showcase that narrative or just make it about rogue US agents vs Mexican Cartels.
sharethe first movie felt like a gritty, real life take of how the U.S. government is taking on the Cartels. This feels like just sort of a regular action film. Like the ending where the U.S. soldiers just ride in like cowboys and save Benicio del Toro when they were just told to abandon the mission. That feels like straight out of a Michael Bay movie.
Have a short review of this movie if anyone is interested- https://youtu.be/VxtymyB-ZWc
Save? They flew in to kill him and the girl!
shareMichael Bay? Wow, you Generation Z guys should really try watching some older classic films. This felt to me like a plain ol traditional classic Western film, Clint Eastwood style! I loved it! And we need more of these types of films Imo, we don't get enough of them. I only know 3 updated Western styled films: This, No Country for Old Men and Hell or High Water.
share We know the military will lie about results of on operation that involve people getting killed. We know the mexican police have a high infiltration rate with the cartels and can't be trusted, Former police are known to be in the ranks of the cartels you know. What wasn't show is mexican politicians involved.
Also the US won't allow military operations in mexico untill the violence starts spilling over the border. And by spilling over I mean actual mexican nationals getting violent in the US.
Despite popular belief the cartels don't operate directly in the US while illegal immigrants are doing random crimes from time to time, The cartels themselves hire local street gangs in the US to do their drug work. If theres any violence on the US side its almost always due to the USs own local organizations. The cartels just want to be suppliers they arn't interested in territory in the US. (Territory fights in the US are due to American thugs fighting it out on the streets). But this isn't the 90s American street gangs want to make money rather then fight. Also in terms of illegal imigration When ever we catch truckers bringing in illegal immigrants the drivers have always been american working for the cartels. I'm in san antonio and we've had at least 3 caught that I know of including big news even where something like 30 of the illegals died of heat exhaustion trapped in the truck when the driver ran. Violence on the border is high but until the violence is caused by actual mexican nationals in droves the US government won't get involved with its stronger task forces or the military.
The movie seemed like a farily good depiction of an american response under the hypothetical scenario of terrorists blowing up a shopping mall that came from mexico. No one believes in the "No rules" scenario though the military would have had clear objectives and the means to achieve it. Despite popular belief that the military is incompetent its the political side that expects the military to achieve its goals while changing the rules mid battle and tieing the militaries hands behind their back. For example the military wanted to kill Al Sader in iraq since he was killing American forces then would run like a rat back into a mosque rinse and repeat. But the politicians didn't have the stomach for killing him cause he was so danm popular with the shiite muslims. As if we would ever expect to win the hearts minds of a blood thirsty population through olive branches. Muslims respect the sword not diplomacy. What a half assed war.
Being highly skilled and out numbered against well armed cartels probably wasn't that realistic and being successful probably not as much. For example the military convey getting back across the border with zero resistence.
Hey thanks for all that. Except the part where you declare that Muslims respect the sword rather than diplomacy. You're talking about radical people, not Muslims in general, that's what you meant right?
Can't help but get a little bothered when I hear people talking like that. Muslims this, Muslims that. There's a lot of different sects of the religion and a LOT of people from a lot of countries. Almost 2 billion Muslims...almost 1/3 of humanity...and its just kind of weird to paint that many people as all being the same way.
Otherwise, those radical bastards...you're spot on right, hell yeah that's all they respect.
Hey thanks for all that. Except the part where you declare that Muslims respect the sword rather than diplomacy. You're talking about radical people, not Muslims in general, that's what you meant right?
Ask the man in the street if they think if Muslims deserve the bombings and you get similar scores in the US. It's the them vs us mentality that's being fed by the leaders on both sides.
shareAfganistan for sure deserved the bombings as they had no intention of giving up osama and even called him a brother. Wanting to retaliate against terrorists isn't the same as wanting to kill non combative muslims.
shareYou are a simpleton naive Yank.
I bet you don't know that Osama is a CIA operative. Recruited first to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan , then to commit the 9/11 attacks.
I bet you believe Osama was killed by the US.
where's the proof ?
Oh wait...they dropped his body in the sea.
You simpleton idiotic Yank... Now go back to your colouring book kiddo.
Troll harder next time.
shareWhere's it at then? Area 51?
shareI think the difference here is between "the military" and "the intelligence agencies".
I think it's possible -- though it's hard to figure out a scenario where it makes sense -- that the CIA could get into completely deniable false-flag paramilitary operations against the cartels in Mexico, the problem is they would have to do it in a way that makes it completely deniable. This means no drones firing hellfire missiles, no helicopter gunships, and no cartel haciendas where everyone appeared to die without knowing who was attacking them. These are all signatures of US spec ops/CIA involvement.
Well now there's reports saying the new Trump team is actually weighing those options.
shareI'm sure that the CIA and military have intelligence, mostly gathered from DEA/CBP/Homeland Security, about cartel operations and various intervention scenarios developed.
But its an absolute mine field of risk to intervene without total deniability.
Trump is weighing them, sure, but his casual attitude is probably meeting real world issues, like 100k refugees flooding the border, large scale civilian deaths and the diplomatic nightmare of the US waging war on Mexico.
Hey maybe it will still happen. Apparently Trump wants to invade Mexico if he's elected again.
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