Man I'm disappointed in Issa for slipping up in last night's episode! I'm on the edge now waiting for next week lol. Also, Molly is coming off a little too strong with these guys. Moreso with the one that she pressed about sending her a good night text. The one last night was a jerk but she's showing her hand a little too soon with them I think, I can relate to her however.
shareIt's been awhile since I said "no", "no, don't do that", "what are you doing?" in an episode of TV. I can't believe Issa fell for the trap, but it's in character with the show. Lawrence was able to avoid his very obvious trap, but I doubt he will anymore after he finds out what happened.
Molly is a catastrophe. She wants to move way too quickly, and it's a major turn off. She can't even see that she's doing anything wrong.
What was it that Issa saw when she looked down at the bar of soap and the hand soap dispenser? I didn't get the meaning there, other than maybe this was a frequent occurrence for Daniel, and that she got played.
My favorite scene in that episode was the one between Lawrence and his friend. I about died when he said that he was working on his fiancee's divorce and their pre-nup at the same time. Wow.
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I had the same reaction, like "come on, don't do it!" And remember in the previous episode when she and Lawrence were buying the new couch? She told Lawrence she'd always let him buy soap dispensers if he wanted them or something like that. I cracked up at Lawrence's friend too though when he said they needed to get his hair fixed because it was uneven and he had a guy for that haha. Looks like Molly's new guy won't stick either if she finds out he had a gay fling.
shareOh yeah, I forgot about the soap dispenser thing in the Bed, Bath, and Beyond or whatever it was. Now, it makes sense. The soap dispenser was her reminder that she had someone at home, and that she had effed up for simple instant gratification that she knows will never lead anywhere of substance.
My wife and I think Issa and Lawrence should break up anyway, so hopefully it goes that direction. I think they'd both be happier lowering their own expectations of what a relationship is all about.
Lawrence is bummed he's not "appreciated" by Issa, while Tasha thinks he's great just the way he is. Issa wants something more, but it turns out that "more" is really less. It goes back to her other life choice with her job. Surely there are far better other non-profit agencies to work with than the one she's at. She gets on Lawrence for not settling, when she's actively been settling for a long time with both him and her job. Now that Lawrence is trying to get it together in some form or fashion (even backing off the easy Tasha situation), she nuked their relationship.
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Very true. I think Issa and Lawrence should have broke up a few episodes ago and let Issa explore the dating world. She's obviously not happy with Lawrence, even though I do believe she loves him.
shareNo, no no, it wasn't a soap dispenser thing at the BBB store, it was s lotion dispenser.
I look at the soap scene as a metaphor. She's washing her hands of the dirty deed. But she doesn't...or couldn't. She knows "she done done it now!"
Come on guys, film is a visual medium let's analyze accordingly. ;-)
You just said film is a visual medium and ignored the ham fisted directing in that scene. The whole way the shot was framed was to draw your eye to the dispenser (and now that you mention it, it was a lotion dispenser she was looking at in the bathroom, since there was also hand soap).
Without the context of the Lawrence scene with her at BBB, believe me that shot doesn't land...at all. It was still even enormously confusing in context, because I forgot about that scene at the time. I think you're drawing the wrong context. I think it was connected to Lawrence, not to the idea that she can't wash her hands of her dirty deed. You're looking way too deep, when the real answer's right there.
She was so not serious about her relationship with Lawrence that she just fell right into bed with a guy she shouldn't even have been hanging out with under any circumstances based on the state of her current relationship. The juxtaposition with Issa and Daniel and Lawrence and Tasha was supposed to point out the difference in their mindset (Issa was obtuse about what was going on, while Lawrence was completely aware of what was going on with him and Tasha). Lawrence is in, Issa isn't, and now she has to reap what she's sown.
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The lotion dispenser scene worked exactly as planned for me. As soon as I saw it I said, "Aww!" But, I watched the episodes back-to-back so I remember the furniture store scene well. Issa doesn't deserve Lawerence at all, btw. It would be one thing if she slipped up during the "break", but to do that after she recommitted to him is disgusting. Still my girl, though. Lol.
shareRight on.
And that exaggerated look in her eyes during the scene - ugh.
by emiynu » (Wed Nov 9 2016 13:15:21)
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...I look at the soap scene as a metaphor. She's washing her hands of the dirty deed. But she doesn't...or couldn't. She knows "she done done it now!"...
I'm pretty sure it rained in L.A. a bunch of times this past year. It was an El Nino, when it actually rains there, and the show most definitely would have been in production when that was happening.
Don't go to the hard explanation, go to the easy one. If you saw the two episodes back to back, as another poster had, the symbolism was very obvious. My original issue with it was that I didn't get why there was a soap dispenser and a bar of soap. The reason is because the dispenser was for lotion and not soap. There was a scene regarding a lotion dispenser, and the shot in the show was directly framed for you to be looking hard at the lotion dispenser.
No matter what you think, this show is not slickly directed at all (this show would be amazing if they got Hiro Murai to direct at least one episode). But you can tell Matsoukas really likes Mr. Robot. :/
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by nunnehickc » Mon Nov 14 2016 11:29:52
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...No matter what you think, this show is not slickly directed at all...
Your horse is seeming pretty high there. I lived in Los Angeles for 17 years, and lived in almost the exact neighborhood where the apartment is located for about 4 years.
My point about the rain is that I think you're putting too much into it. A lot of people don't wash their cars for weeks or months in L.A., especially after rain, and when more rain is predicted. It was my running joke that I knew it would rain every time I washed my car, because it usually did. If you're trying to shore up this idea of the dirt on the car meaning something, it should be really really easy to tell if you're right (even though it could simply have been a continuity flaw). There are a minimum of three shots of Issa's car from the previous episode to the shot where you saw the dirt.
1. The parking lot at the school.
2. When her and Daniel were sitting in her car.
3. When she gets home.
If the car is sparkling clean in both of those previous shots, there is *something* to your idea. Of course, it could have rained prior to Issa returning home, and L.A. rain is often very dirty (makes it look like someone poured drop filled dirt on your car if it doesn't rain a ton but rains some). No one's going to clean off that car in that situation. You can also probably look at other cars parked around her, and see if they are noticeably clean. If they are, maybe that means something. Maybe it doesn't. Sometimes a dirty car is just a dirty car. And if it rained in the evening, they're not going to get a bucket of water to wash it off. They don't think the audience will care, though in this day and age the audience loves to analyze every single little thing in every TV show regardless of whether it has meaning.
Check out the stuff I recommended looking into above, and report back. I'd like to give some credence to your theory, even though the easiest one is that the lotion dispenser was meant to represent the conversation with Lawrence (realizing what she might have lost), not the dirtiness of the deed.
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by nunnehickc » Mon Nov 14 2016 16:08:53
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...Your horse is seeming pretty high there...
...If you're trying to shore up this idea of the dirt on the car meaning something, it should be really really easy to tell if you're right (even though it could simply have been a continuity flaw). There are a minimum of three shots of Issa's car from the previous episode to the shot where you saw the dirt...
I almost forgot to mention something in regard to the level of directing detail in the lotion dispenser episode.
When Issa's outside the school, we saw an establishing shot that had a sign that said "Thomas Jefferson Middle School". It was an obviously fake sign for legal reasons, but the level of detail paid attention to on this show is so low that you can clearly see the Inglewood High School sign in the upper left corner of the shot. So if someone can't remember to get rid of the real sign on a school, how are they gonna be talking about putting dirt on a car to sell a metaphor almost no one but you would catch?
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