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On Hans Zimmer's Score: Thoughts, expectations?


Hans Zimmer has already begun work on the score for this film, which is nothing out of the ordinary for a Christopher Nolan film. It is well known that they work closely together, and Hans often starts work on the music before production begins.

Let me start by saying that I definitely like Hans Zimmer. I think he has a good grasp of the emotion he needs to achieve for a scene or sequence, and Nolan weaves his scores well into the footage he edits. That being said, sometimes I do feel like Zimmer loves to find "cycles" in the scores that he crafts - not necessarily a bad thing, and it works well with many of Nolan's sequences - however, I do like when there are some melodic moments to balance it out that maybe feel a bit more unique. Not that this it meant to be either a praise or a critique of Zimmer, but it flows into my next point.

In terms of the overall feel and flow of Dunkirk, what sort of direction would you like Hans to take with it? On the somber side, or maybe more dramatic and percussive? Personally, I think this film has to achieve a good balance of relaying the story material while holding an emotional and exciting interest in the viewer - I'm not expecting the script to be overly complex. Of course, that's something we'll have to wait and see. But I do feel like this film will rely on the the gravity of the story to set most of its pieces in motion. I would like to hear Zimmer accent some of the heaviness of what is occurring with slower, individual pieces that may or may not be "hum-able" on their own. That being said, for some of the more intense action sequences I would like the dramatic music to have a melody that doesn't necessarily just build the whole time. I think this often works well, but for this I do want the emotion to come from the heart of the pieces and not necessarily from dynamics. I'm not casting dynamics aside, just saying where I personally want the balance to be. I also think this film may be the sort of project that would rely particularly well on emotional moments of silence - something that can be extremely effective for key moments.

That's just my two cents, I would love to discuss this with others! What do all of you think?

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I'm hoping there are parts of his score that are used to stop at certain points, so all you hear is the whiz-bang action of gunfire and explosions.

I expect it to be very grandiose, though. Much more use of stringed instruments and heavy percussion instruments. TDK and TDKR kind of are the mood setters for what I'm referring to, but less brass instruments and obviously a different theme entirely. Anything working with "time" (like the teaser trailer) would be welcomed as well, as seconds in battle can be nerve-wracking for what is to come.

I do hope that this time Nolan had Zimmer work on it knowing what kind of movie this is and what kinds of scenes they are. It just so happened to work out in Interstellar (though I can't possibly believe he would have some of the organ sounds without knowing there was space travel involved), but I think given the time period this takes place in it's important to take a bit more of a classical approach, and maybe even dial it back a bit. Still let the things on screen dictate what moods we should feel, and simply have the music complement or enhance it.

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Great point about stopping at moments, I definitely agree. I think it could be quite gripping.

Your thought about time is spot on, I hadn't really considered that aspect but that is important so I'm glad you said that. Because they have explored time in other projects, is there anything you would suggest about how it is approached in this score to make it unique enough?

Interesting thoughts on the process on Interstellar compared to the process on Dunkirk, something else I hadn't really pondered. Now that you mention it, I think you're right about the time period dictating things a bit more. Interstellar was a space-travel film that had a different sort of core to it (being the relationship of the father and the daughter) but I don't expect the same sort of thing happening in Dunkirk. Of course the characters will develop things, but I'm not expecting it be as "pivotal" as it was with Interstellar. Maybe pivotal isn't the right word to use, but I see what you mean. Now you have me hoping that they approach the score for this one maybe a little bit differently!

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Your thought about time is spot on, I hadn't really considered that aspect but that is important so I'm glad you said that. Because they have explored time in other projects, is there anything you would suggest about how it is approached in this score to make it unique enough?
I'll be honest, I know absolutely nothing about the Dunkirk rescue (and the less I know, the better for Nolan's story IMO, so I'll be avoiding many stories in general). But I can think of many moments where small groups are trying to maneuver from one point to another and they have a specific window, or something where they are hidden underwater at the beach or threatening of drowning at some point. Small things like that would just enhance the score at those moments.

Or heck, look at the teaser trailer. I don't know what they're doing standing at that dock. Waiting for their rescue to arrive? Like I [think I] said earlier, every second that goes by that is not a moment to be rescued is another moment to possibly be killed (think about The Prestige, when Angier's wife is in the water tank... every second she doesn't surface is another second she is closer to drowning). Waiting on their clock for something to come, just for something else to come, is pretty spooky indeed, and would leave the audience impatiently tapping their toes hoping for imminent rescue.

Interesting thoughts on the process on Interstellar compared to the process on Dunkirk, something else I hadn't really pondered. Now that you mention it, I think you're right about the time period dictating things a bit more. Interstellar was a space-travel film that had a different sort of core to it (being the relationship of the father and the daughter) but I don't expect the same sort of thing happening in Dunkirk. Of course the characters will develop things, but I'm not expecting it be as "pivotal" as it was with Interstellar. Maybe pivotal isn't the right word to use, but I see what you mean. Now you have me hoping that they approach the score for this one maybe a little bit differently!
I guess it just depends on how interpersonal they get. It's funny with every catastrophe movie that I see a teaser trailer for (The Day After Tomorrow, War of the Worlds, 2012, San Andreas... you name it), you watch that basically saying, "The entire two hours is just one long, drawn action scene, and we're going to see shots of everybody involved." You forget that there will be a story attached to it and it will focus on just a select few, or at least follow them enough.

The same will be said for here. I don't know if there are characters who are brothers, comrades for life, or what have you. I do expect a setup to be played out in some way though, either chronologically in media res (meaning they flash back to times before being deployed in certain instances, something which Nolan is known to do quite often). I don't think this film will be nearly as bombastic as Nolan's last three films in Inception, TDKR and Interstellar. I expect there to be large moments considering it's a summer release, but I expect a lot of in-between as well. The score should be able to complement both aspects.

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Sibelius violin concerto in E minor

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Sibelius from Finlandia

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Something in the spirit of Requiem by Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.

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I hope it's something along the lines of the classic war epics from the '60s like The Guns of Navarone, Battle of the Bulge, The Great Escape, or The Longest Day. Something big and bombastic.

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I love Hans Zimmer, and I think he's gonna do this really well. His scores for the ww2 films, The Thin Red Line and Pearl Harbour were really good, so I can be pretty certain that he won't mess it up. And I hope he adds a horn of doom in there, somewhere. It just sounds so cool.

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Interesting post. I think The Thin Red Line shows Zimmer's broad repertoar of sound and emotion in a great way and if he does something remotely similar I will be very pleased. I would hope for a more subtle, string-based and less horn-based score for Dunkirk. I think it would fit the film better. But whatever he chooses to do I am not worried at all. Zimmer has worked on many war films before and every Nolan-Zimmer collaboration has resulted in huge success. I think he'll knock it out of the park once again for this film.

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Bumping this thread as there was another similar to it.

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I've been a fan of Hans Zimmer's music since his work on Black Rain (1989). But, I just wanted to say watching this film I found the instrumental music evoked a heightened overall feeling of suspense and dread. I couldn't watch it all at once in one sitting!😬 He did an excellent job in mastering the hopeless and helpless feeling these boys must've felt waiting for deliverance from a foe greater and more cruel than they could imagine. I'm sure it couldn't have come fast enough. Anyways great work once again from a master composer!😍

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