Is the medium place part of Michael's con?
Do you guys think the medium place where the only woman resides is in some corner of the bad place and part of Michael's con?
shareDo you guys think the medium place where the only woman resides is in some corner of the bad place and part of Michael's con?
shareYes, it is all part of Michael's con. He said that everything was fake and designed to cause them the most emotional conflict as possible.
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Really? I thought it was real because the architects have no control over Janet. Janet fell in love with Jason so I don't think she would take him there if it was a part of the trick.
shareI just rewatched Episode 11 and I now agree with you. It was Janet's idea to go to Mindy's house. She was not part of the con after all.
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I think it was real because Janet wasn't apart of Michael's plan... unless there's more to be revealed.
-Who is it?
-It's Grandpa. And it sounds like he's gotten into the horseradish again.
That's what I'm thinking. Janet is teh one that told them about it and took them there and seh was not part of the con. Also Mindy and the Medium Place can add more potential. Her memories weren't replaced so she could help them figure out some stuff since she has met them and would remember them. Also it shows that there is a way to get out of the Bad Place (even if not to the Good Place) where they can't be detected, seemingly. I coudl see all of that coming into play in season 2.
shareAt first I want to say it was part of the con, but they left that open enough to interpret it in different ways for the future. I'm going to guess it was a con, and maybe they programmed Janet to know about the place and planted the info, but it would be far more interesting if it wasn't part of it. seems like if they left for the "medium place," Michael could just restart everything and start again any time he wanted to bring them back together.
shareIf it is not, then she would remember them being there?
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I don't think so. There have been people in this world, like John Rabe, who was a member of the Nazi Party, and before the war he truly believed they serve the betterment of their nation, yet he couldn't bear the blunt destruction of civilian life by the Japanese, and thus offered shelter for them.
So, on the one hand he served a machine, that has economically contributed to the deaths of millions, but on the other hand he personally saved a lot of people. If there could be a place we're judged, he wasn't sent to either.
Besides, they did steal Janet, but they did not have full control over her, neither over her access to the train they couldn't track.
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Wasn't the train owned by the boss of The Bad Place? They knew where it was, they were just employing free will, hence prolonged torture, to see if it came back. The "not knowing" was a huge part of it. How much time to give them to make a decision such that it maximizes strife but also keeps them interested. The show may have been as much about torturing the audience as well, since we all seemed to have these niggling little questions about most of the characters such as Chidi and Tahani who looked good on paper but were meh in reality.
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That would have been a huge oversight, since it was genuine, that they had no control over Janet, who in turn fell in love with Jason, and it was his decision to go back. If he had refused, the whole thing falls apart.
My hunch was that the train truly is independent from the realms relying on the mainframe, and as such they couldn't know where they are. Michael wasn't in control ever since Eleanor confessed, and Shawn was right, too many variables.
I live in the Gordius Apartment Complex, my interior designer was M.C. Escher.
> Do you guys think the medium place where the only woman resides is in some corner of the bad place and part of Michael's con?
I believe that The Medium Place is real and not part of Michael's plan. We've been told that architects are responsible for their own neighborhoods and that's it.
Remember that when Jason, Eleanor, and Janet took the train, Michael and Sean talked in private and said that they had no idea where the three of them went. They had to resort to the Janet intercom to threaten them and get them to return. That private discussion would not be needed if they already know where they went.
It does appear that there is a lot of free will allowed in the afterlife. The architects create neighborhoods and then put souls in them and just watch what happens. The souls can do whatever they want. It's kind of like a giant ant farm.
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They don't have control over Janet, and we know Janet is the only one that can control where the train goes.
shareThey don't have control over JanetBut apparently they can wipe her memory and reboot her.
Yeah I wouldn't say they can't control Janet. Just they weren't in control of Janet at the time. I mean she's basically a semi-sapient computer program they nicked to make things more authentic. They can unplug her, reboot her and potentially even reprogram her. But they aren't in control of her all the time.
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