To serviceuaustin: you said:
"So, all you Christian women, the fact that you don't keep your head covered means you don't love Jesus." unquote.
"but that if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For long hair is given to her as a covering."
1 Corinthians 11:15
I have long hair, it keeps my head covered.
You said:
"If you ever speak against a man, you're going against God." unquote
Christ is the head of the Church. Then the husbands. Consequently, Jesus is the head of the husbands.
Question: Who would the wive obey: Jesus or her husband? You have to go to the chain of command:
1-God, our father in Heaven (Matthew 6:9)
2-Jesus, (1 Timothy 2:5)
For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me. John 6:38
3-The Church (Men that lead the Church- a man of one wife- he cannot marry another woman ever- Elders, Deacons, etc.
4-Husbands over wives
If a husband told his wife to sin or break God's commandments: a godly wife would know that Jesus is over her husband and therefore, she would obey Jesus and NOT her husband. I believe, a lot has to do with a godly husband or a wicked husband. A godly husband, wouldn't be instructing his wife to sin, in the first place. A wicked husband, would be instructing his wife away from God. God sees all so I believe He would understand that the wife is loving Him more than her husband and that is the way it should be.
"An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord's affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world--how she can please her husband." 1 Corinthians 7:34
God wants all women or wives to please Him. God wants women to be devoted to Him, both body and spirit.
If you say I am speaking against you or men....I believe, I will take my chances that God understands that I am instructing the women with godly wisdom... :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhqZxZTY5js&list=RDQhqZxZTY5js#t=35 The Third Day -
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Nethlem
8 years ago
God sees all so I believe He would understand that the wife is loving Him more than her husband and that is the way it should be.
You love imagined people more than actual people? Even the one you married? Wow..
God wants all women or wives to please Him. God wants women to be devoted to Him, both body and spirit.
So, god is like a dom who wants all his women to be subs, and likes polygamy? That sounds like a really messed up
BDSM club.
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JC_gives_u_hope
8 years ago
Sorry I don't understand what you are saying. I gave you scripture so if you don't understand scripture then that is your choice.
As a believer: we are to love God with all our hearts, all our souls and all our minds. Google it and find the scripture. That means loving God more than anyone else in the world. Yes, I love God more than my husband. God is first in my life. He should be first in everyone's life..
I don't understand abbreviations, so please write what you mean to say, please.
I don't understand what you mean about "You love imagined people more than actual people?" I take it that you don't believe in God. Please, do NOT use the bible if you don't plan on believing what God says. For God will NOT be mocked.. Google it and see the scripture.
If you are not a believer...then this conversation is over. bye.
1 John 3:8
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Nethlem
8 years ago
Sorry I don't understand what you are saying. I gave you scripture so if you don't understand scripture then that is your choice.
Scripture still has to be interpreted and not everybody interprets everything in the same way, for that very reason there are over 30.000 different Christian sub-currents.
That means loving God more than anyone else in the world. Yes, I love God more than my husband.
If god commanded you to kill your husband (his ways are mysterious after all), what would you do?
I don't understand abbreviations, so please write what you mean to say, please.
Uhm just in case you didn't know: Google also works for other stuff than Bible verses 😉
A "dom" is the dominant part in a BDSM (bondage and discipline, dominance and submission) relationship while a "sub" is the submissive part.
I just consider it very interesting how many parallels there are between Christianity and BDSM culture.
A Google search on these two topics gives some very interesting results:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=christianity+and+bdsmLot's of Christians seem to be into the BDSM stuff and are worried if the Bible "approves".
If you are not a believer...then this conversation is over. bye.
Oh I am a believer, I believe in a lot of things 😊
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JC_gives_u_hope
8 years ago
To Nethlem:
EDIT:
God says "do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God." 1 John 4:1 And "Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." John 13:34
The Old Testament is Moses Law, and we, as believers in God, don't live under Moses Law but we should live by Jesus teachings in the New Testament.
I think you misunderstood me on "Wives submit to your husbands" bible verse. What I meant was if an unbelieving husband is going against Jesus teachings, then the wife must use the sense that God gave her and go according to Jesus teachings. On the other hand, if her husband is parallel with Jesus teachings then yes, she should submit to her husband. Its really just using common sense.
God wants women to please Him, not pleasing her husband. Wives are supposed to do her duties as a wife and no extra stuff, trying to please her husband instead of pleasing God. There is another verse about husbands:
"How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?" 1 Corinthians 7:15
I believe, the first part is a wife who believers in Christ, trying to save her unbelieving husband but she can't, only God can save him, through prayer for her husband (this really works, because I have prayed lots for my husband in the last year or two.) I believe, the second part of this bible verse, is the believing husband, trying to save his unbelieving wife but he can't, only God can save her. He should pray daily for his wife, to be saved and born again.
I know of a believing husband, who tried to save (by reading the bible to her) his unbelieving wife but he failed. Now he's following her unbelieving ways. So very sad for them.
I like this bible verse:
"A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord." 1 Corinthians 7:39
The part: "He must belong to the Lord" means to me that "he" is a believer in Christ. In my opinion, a guy-widower should marry a woman who belongs to the Lord, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x35TejEYns - by Hillsong (Jesus Song)
"Give your burdens to the LORD, and He will take care of you. He will not permit the godly to slip and fall." Psalm 55:22
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Nethlem
8 years ago
My answer is: I would do nothing because
God says "do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God." 1 John 4:1
But that's not the full verse?
The full verse explains how to test the spirits:
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
Then there's Proverbs 3:5-8
Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths. Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord, and turn away from evil. It will be healing to your flesh and refreshment to your bones.
James 1:6
But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea that is driven and tossed by the wind.
James 1:12
Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.
So if said spirit would proclaim "Jesus Christ has come in the flesh and is god", would you go ahead and kill your husband? 😓
I have never heard of BDSM Culture. If I never heard of this type of Culture, is a sign that I am NOT involved in BDSM culture.
I never claimed you participate in BDSM culture, I merely pointed out that your description of god-women relations sound very similar to a BDSM relationship.
That's not a judgment it's merely an observation.
Believers of God, should live by the New Testament. When God told Abraham to kill his son that was in the Old Testament but when Jesus came into the world, it changed things. Consequently, the Old Testament is Moses Law and we (believers in God) don't live under Moses Law but we should live by Jesus teachings in the New Testament.
Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.
Luke 16:17
It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.
John 7:19
Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law.
Jesus Christs own words! Why are you doubting our savior? 😞
You are obviously NOT a believer of God.
No offense, but is that really up to you to decide?
Besides, you probably come out with another question. Then I would answer that question and then you would come out with another question.
Well, what can I say? I'm just a curious guy. You are just as free to also ask questions. 😊
So I would basically be wasting my time. Sorry, if I choose not to waste my time with more questions. What would be the point. Let's just choose to disagree in our beliefs, shall we?
I'm sorry to hear that you consider discussion, with a fellow human being, a waste of time just because we happen to not agree on everything. Imho learning something new is more likely when engaging with opinions you disagree with, as opposed to just sticking with what you agree with, which leads to a biased view.
For example, you made me realize how much BDSM culture and Christianity have in common. That's a view I've never pondered before, in hindsight, it actually makes a lot of sense and now I understand a little bit better where some Christians are coming from.
Thank you for that and have a nice day!
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JC_gives_u_hope
8 years ago
Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law. John 7:19
My answer: Do you NOT know that back in the day, Jews ONLY believed in the Old Testament and they didn't believe that Jesus was the Messiah And the traditional Jews don't live by or go by the New Testament? Of course, Jesus knew that, that is why He said "that the Jews wasn't keeping the Law that was given to them by Moses." Yes, I believe what John 7:19 says. Jesus gave us a New Commandment that sums it all:
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another." John 13:34
You said "if I would still kill my husband if God told me to kill him."
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3:9
Loving one another - includes my husband, so why would I go against the New Commandment that was given to me by God? So, no, I wouldn't do any kind of violence towards my husband. End of story.
You said "I'm sorry to hear that you consider discussion, with a fellow human being, a waste of time just because we happen to not agree on everything......"
Sorry, I didn't know that you were a Believer of Christ. This site is full of non-believers and haters so a person can never tell who they are talking to. Most people I come across are non-believers. It would be nice if your user name showed a sign: whose side you are on: Christ or opposing side. Like my username, there is no doubt whose side I am on. :-)
What Church are you most affiliated with? I have met some people that say they are Non-Denominational because they don't attend Church, just read Matthew, Luke, Mark and John. Then again, I met some people that are Non-Denominational and they attend Church. In the past many years, I have attended quite of few different Churches so I more or less know what they believe in. I believe the most important thing is to have a relationship with God (through daily prayer) and obedience to Jesus' teachings. If we are obedient, God promises to fulfill all our needs. He has blessed us beyond what we needed. Thank you Jesus!
Matthew 6:4
http://www.firstsouthern.tv/ Now at days, one doesn't even have to leave their home, to receive godly principles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC861GAa5hE - Praise The Invisible, by Third Day
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