Religion is killing the Republican Party
Republicans will continue to lose the White House until they distance themselves far enough from the religious nuts
shareRepublicans will continue to lose the White House until they distance themselves far enough from the religious nuts
shareNo argument there.
Taliban Republicans like Cruz want theocracy.
No argument there.
Taliban Republicans like Cruz want theocracy.
It isn't a non-existent "theocracy" that is sought, it is simply the conservation of basic rights that until the 1960s we never had any reason to believe would ever come under assault.
And then there is the ultimate hypocrisy of recent weeks in which the murder of gays in Florida by a Muslim terrorist is used to cast further aspersions on conservative Christians who had nothing to do with the act.
Care to enumerate a few of these totally not all theocratic "rights"?
That's because they are anti-gay bigots, and at least one Christian leader applauded the massacre.
Try the right for religious and charitable organizations not to mention businesses being compelled to do things against their consent by the state because of religious objections.
The state has no right to discriminate against such organizations merely because they have moral objections to funding abortions, subsidizing the bedroom habits of employees (this means you, Sandra Fluke) or because they have bylaws against homosexual conduct.
Then there is the matter of parents having the right to teach their children according to their values without the state subverting that through the forced indoctrination of secular religious dogmas in the classroom on issues of morality.
And get a load of how the fire chief of Atlanta, a BLACK man, was fired because on his own time exercised his right under the First Amendment to write a book about Biblical morality.
No sir, the bigots are the anti-Christian ones who are too bigoted to focus on the actual perpetrator who was a Muslim acting according to the tenets of his faith.
And I might add sir, it was Reverend Franklin Graham, as staunch an opponent of gay marriage as there ever was, who exercised outreach to victims and proved where the heart of true Christians lie on this matter.
Christians are not the ones who engage in murder because our faith does not call for that.
In other words, you want religion to be used as an excuse to practice bigotry.
the right of practicing Christians to practice their faith in accordance with their beliefs
It is not at the expense of anyone for a Christian bakery not cater a gay wedding anymore than it is at the expense of a Gentile if a Jewish deli won't sell ham. We are not asserting any "privilege" other than our own existing Constitutional protections that the other side has clear contempt for. To call the pre-existing Constitutional protection that was established in 1787 by thinkers of far greater intellectual substance than those in our Courts today "religious privilege" reveals how for the other side this is a matter of indulging their own form of religious bigotry in the form of what they see as "payback". Very totalitarian of them.
The answer to your question is only if the PEOPLE have so decided at the ballot box. If a state passes gay marriage by the legislature I may be offended as a Christian by the result, but that is democracy and the result obtained through the proscribed process. That sir, is not the same as when five judicial tyrants by a one vote majority (it's funny how one vote majorities that go the way of the Left are regarded as permanent settled precedents, but not Citizens United. Talk about hypocrisy!) arbritrarily invent a non-existent "right" out of thin air just to satisfy a legislative whim they could not get the honest way. Thus, the gay marriage decision is wrong from an *American* standpoint as much as Roe vs. Wade is wrong from an American standpoint and in this case the violation of something I consider morally wrong according to my religion has taken place without any regard for following the proscribed process set down in the Constitution.
No judge invented out of thin air a right for women to vote, it was obtained democratically through a Constitutional Amendment. No judge overturned Prohibition by inventing a preexisting right to drink, it was overturned by another Constitutional Amendment. When the other side isn't willing to follow that process because they know they can't win and just feel the "ends justify the means" to get their will done undemocratically because of the alleged superiority of their will, then that is the mark of a true theocracy. A secular theocracy of the kind that Robespierre might have been fond of, but one that has no relationship to the society envisioned by James Madison.
I agree that it is petty for homosexual couples to seek out religiously owned bakeries, in hopes of "forcing acceptance" or gaining a decent lawsuit. However, there is still an underlying issue which you are not addressing: the issue of people owning a public business, with an exclusive customer base. I understand that you believe wholeheartedly that this is a Christian nation, and in being such, there are certain Christian values which need to be upheld; one of which is homosexuality being immoral. If one is opposed to a homosexual lifestyle and thus homosexual marriage, than why own a business where you may have to provide service to homosexuals? Its the equivalent of a Muslim working at a supermarket (not a privately owned deli), and refusing to serve a Jewish person because it's "against his religion". The only distinction I can make is if the business is private, they can discriminate all they want, but if the business is public, than be ready for some repercussions for your discrimination.
Your right to believe whatever you want is ever expansive. Unfortunately your right to believe whatever you want doesn't allow you to start refusing others their rights. But guess what? In no way, what so ever, will homosexuals getting married impact you. So your beliefs, are completely irrelevant to the rights that other people deserve.
*I edit for grammar now.
Quite the contrary it *is* impacting my beliefs. Notice how gay groups forced the CEO of Mozilla to resign because they found out he contributed to the pro-traditional marriage propsition in CA? Or when the IRS illegally leaked the donors to traditional marriage groups to pro-gay groups so they could be "outed" and targeted for harassment? It's funny how after many decades, Hollywood still talks about an "inquisition" when Communist writers and actors were blacklisted yet they are quite willing to engage in blacklists of their own if people express ideas they hate.
Or how about when the Atlanta fire chief is then fired because on his own time he wrote a book about traditional Biblical morality that contained one passage about gay conduct and then when a gay councilman saw it, he threw a fit and got him fired even though there was not a shred of evidence any gay fireman had ever been "discriminated" against?
Or when a mayor of Houston suddenly demands the subpoenaing of sermon notes of ministers who preached on homosexuality?
Or when a Christian school in MA that a relative of mine taught at is suddenly subjected to a blackballing and blacklisting by other schools who refuse to play them in athletics because of that school's Constitutionally protected stance on homosexual conduct and gay marriage?
And returning to the baker analogy, a bakery owned by a black man would also have to do decorations praising the KKK if a white supremacist customer wanted it or the black baker may have to cater a KKK rally. Don't tell me they would be forced to do so by a judge or that a judge would buy the argument of "emotional distress" on the white supremacist but they would have to in order for there to be consistency. You're saying though that traditional Christians should not be allowed to own their own businesses and operate them under their own guidelines as *they* want to do so, and that is calling for the denial of rights that were part of the common law tradition for quite a few centuries before Anthony Kennedy (who holds his seat thanks to Robert Bork's public lynching led by a Senator from MA who had he possessed a different last name would have been jailed for involuntary manslaughter but I digress) invented the right to gay marriage on his own.
Any gay person can walk in and buy a product. What he doesn't have the right to demand is that the baker cater his wedding. A baker can set his own limits on what events he wants to cater all he wants under his own flexible standards because the government has no right to interfere with any private business setting those standards just like they can't dictate what end products a business can sell (and catering a wedding is ultimately an end product that he doesn't have to offer). This has nothing to do with letting them eat cake, it has to do with going *beyond* that into special privilege territory. And indeed, from the very outset the entire argument over "Gay rights" has been based on the premise that what has been sought has not been "equality" as American citizens which always existed but special rights to codify an alternate definition of morality in the law to the detriment of the religious freedom of others. That is where the argument has been, and it will alas continue and I see a day where I may end up living to see ministers jailed for preaching sermons not to the liking of certain groups and churches shut down accordingly.
All of your examples of CEOs or heads of businesses being fired due to expressing there religious beliefs are in no way unfair. It is extraordinarily unprofessional for the CEO of a company, or the head of a fire department, to publicly and officially express your dislike for people who don't conform to your religious views.
And again, these people voicing their dislike for homosexuals and facing the consequences for such, in no way affects your beliefs. You can still believe that homosexuality is wrong, and no one will ever be able to tell you to think otherwise. So again, how does two people of the same sex getting married affect you? (Other than your personal dislike of homosexuals having to be addressed more often)
a bakery owned by a black man would also have to do decorations praising the KKK if a white supremacist customer wanted it or the black baker may have to cater a KKK rally.
It is extraordinarily unprofessional for the CEO of a company, or the head of a fire department, to publicly and officially express your dislike for people who don't conform to your religious views.
Or how about when the Atlanta fire chief is then fired because on his own time he wrote a book about traditional Biblical morality that contained one passage about gay conduct and then when a gay councilman saw it, he threw a fit and got him fired even though there was not a shred of evidence any gay fireman had ever been "discriminated" against?
No sir, I call for the preservation of the Constitution which calls for the protection of religious freedom, and that sir, includes the right of practicing Christians to practice their faith in accordance with their beliefs, and not because the tyrants of the state impose their alternate definition of morality to purposefully inhibit the free exercise of religion which is protected under the Constitution, a document you are quite unfamiliar with in your zeal to push your anti-Christian bigotry.
Your vision isn't America it's Jacobin France of the 1790 which gave us such wonderful moments like the Reign of Terror and the suppression of religious freedom in the name of "Enlightenment" because the arrogance of a handful of elitists decided their will was better than that of the people and in their view it was okay to suspend basic liberties for the "greater good".
Traditional Christian doctrine regards homosexual conduct as a moral sin and the state has no right to shove alternate definitions of morality on those who have objections to that to inhibit THEIR right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as American citizens.
You, OTOH reflect the hypocritical cowardice that makes itself clear time and again by selectively targeting Christian businesses only and steering clear of the "religion of peace" which made its true feelings on the subject known in Orlando.
As I said, if you want the definition of marriage rewritten, then show some guts to do it according to the democratic process.
As for the story of the Atlanta fire chief it is a matter of the public record.
(much in the same way the bigoted mayor of Houston threw a bigoted hissy fit and demanded ministers turn over their sermon notes in violation of the Constitution)
What's really despicable is how you then take a crime committed by a MUSLIM and use it to then slander Christians.
And get a load of how the fire chief of Atlanta, a BLACK man, was fired because on his own time exercised his right under the First Amendment to write a book about Biblical morality. Even though there was not a shred of evidence that he discriminated against gay employees but was only expressing his Constituationally protected opinion on his own time (and using no public money), he was fired because of his Christian beliefs. That is bigotry and discrimination in which the fire chief was expected to keep his mainstream beliefs shoved in a closet for the sake of appeasing the anti-Christian bigots of the gay movement.
Every academic study of the demographics involved has shown that most religious people reject much of the same far-right conservatism as non-religious people.
Unfortunately, the news media does a poor job of reporting and labelling. For example, we keep being told that "Evangelicals are supporting Trump and carried him through the primaries." Yet, when demographics are analyzed, Evangelical Christians who actually attend church and read the Bible regularly (the kinds of definitions which have actual meaning among academics and the Evangelicals themselves) soundly reject Trump's rhetoric and even declare him in no ways in harmony with the teachings of Jesus Christ. (Jerry Falwell's son is among the handful of evangelical leaders who are sucking up to Trump and calling him "Christian" because they want access and influence to a Trump White House. Falwell's implied endorsement of Trump even caused protest from students on his own Liberty University campus.)
In other words, it is many "non-religious Evangelicals" (sounds like an oxymoron to me) who are supporting Trump---and so I'm not sure "religious nuts" describes them as well as just "nuts".
Your generalization would be much more accurate if you had said that Republicans will keep losing until they distance themselves far enough from Tea Party conservatives, a constituency which isn't all that religious in comparison to the people who certainly fit that label.
As a Huffington Post columnist put it something like this: Calling someone an evangelical Christian or even a "religious person" who rarely goes to church or prays or reads the Bible just because they attended a "Bible camp" as a teenager many decades ago illustrates the sorry state of investigative journalism today. It's what happens when people who know nothing about religion try to report on anything vaguely related to religion.
There was a time in the past when journalism majors got broad liberal arts educations in preparation for understanding as many kinds of subject matter as possible so that they could report a wide range of topics accurately. Those days are gone. Therefore, I don't blame you that much for such inaccurate generalizations. (Or do you think that Roman Catholics, Jewish people, mainline Protestants, and well-educated suburban Evangelicals are not "religious people"? And even "religious nuts" as you call them come in many political varieties, not just Republicans.)
It would be far more accurate to say that Tea Party and other extreme right-wing conservatives have been the bane of the Republican party---and they tend to be less religious than millions of more centrist and even left-of-center Republicans.
"The worst of us speak louder than the best of us." -Roger Ebert
shareRepublicans will continue to lose the White House until they distance themselves far enough from the religious nuts
Republicans will continue to lose the White House until they distance themselves far enough from the religious nuts
Good. Then let the GOP die
Oh, just one more thing as Peter Falk's Columbo would say.
Barack Obama's former director of "Faith outreach efforts" says the Democratic Party has a problem of total fundamental illiteracy when it comes to religion and understanding people of faith.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/30/obamas-former-faith-chief-democratic-party-has-religious-illiteracy-problem/
So ergo, it isn't religion that's killing the Republican Party it's *lack* of religion that is killing the Democratic Party.
yep, Reagan reeled in the silent majority and family values voters but now, with changing demographics they are becoming an albatross around their neck
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Religion is not the only thing destroying the Republican Party. Donald Trump is destroying it as well.
shareActually think it's the opposite. The republican party is killing religion.
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