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If your an athiest why are you here?

posted 8 years ago by chowdercheeze
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If I were an atheist this would be the last place I would waste my time at.

So whats your story?

Here's mine, I was a casual believer in GOD most of my life. The only reason I even casually believed was that nagging feeling of "just in case he is real" I'd have it covered. I had zero interest in digging any deeper or ever going to church. My wife finally convinced me (dragged me)to a Wesleyan church. What I heard was inspiring. So inspiring I decided to keep going. It made my life a bit easier, my thinking a little calmer. It made me look at everything differently. Things I thought were huge issues were really not that big of a deal anymore.

I started praying but nothing ever seemed to happen. Until one day about 15 months into attending church.... On that day Jesus directly answered a throw away prayer I muttered under my breath as I was working in the yard. It concerned a physical ailment that has tortured me for 20+ years. I was healed instantly. I stopped in my tracks and said, "What the "F" just happened... Since that day, I've had two other prayers directly answered. The short of it is I'm no longer a "casual" believer. I'd bet my life on it.

All I'm saying is instead of trolling websites forums looking for a fight with religious people how about using that time investigating for yourself whether GOD is real to you.

Pick up a NIV bible, go to a church that teaches the word in modern terminology you can understand.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

If I were an atheist this would be the last place I would waste my time at

Just because one lacks belief does not mean that one lacks an interest too. Does not the Bible tell us to question everything? If you find flak from unbelievers too annoying, inconvenient or distressing then I suggest finding a wholly religious, private message board where you can presumably preach to the converted finding reassurance from complimentary exchanges. It may not resemble the real world but at least you will be comfortable and reassured.

.... On that day Jesus directly answered a throw away prayer I muttered under my breath as I was working in the yard. It concerned a physical ailment that has tortured me for 20+ years.

Which is odd since I have only just been assured on the main religious board by a believer that God does not work daily miracles to demand.

Your (atheists generally) idea of god is often one who would intervene miraculously in the day to day affairs of humans. I suppose because you think such a god is easily disproved. While there are indeed a few faithful who believe that, far and away most faithful do not. Most faithful believe that god does not intervene miraculously on a daily basis on behalf of most people in this modern world. [Arlon10 Dec 12]

http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000108/thread/264083908?p=3

If you can't even agree between yourselves what a purported deity is capable of, how can a skeptic or doubter take claims seriously?

Also, I am willing to bet my poor damned soul that the miracle described by you was not an arm or leg growing back.

All I'm saying is instead of trolling websites forums looking for a fight with religious people how about using that time investigating for yourself whether GOD is real to you.

One part of 'investigating for oneself' is asking trenchant and obvious questions of those who claim to know for sure, is it not?

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Just because one lacks belief does not mean that one lacks an interest too. Does not the Bible tell us to question everything?

Film has no interest in religion, because he's admitted that he's only on IMDb to ridicule people of faith for "entertainment" reasons.

And the Bible doesn't tell us to question everything. People of faith believe in God. They do not question his existence. Film is delusional.

If you can't even agree between yourselves what a purported deity is capable of, how can a skeptic or doubter take claims seriously?

Also, I am willing to bet my poor damned soul that the miracle described by you was not an arm or leg growing back.

Film will be one of the many sniveling atheists begging for God's forgiveness on his deathbed, but he's done so much damage already that I wouldn't be surprised if his soul fries in hell.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

because he's admitted that he's only on IMDb to ridicule people of faith for "entertainment" reasons.

Please link to where I have said "I am only on IMDb to ridicule people of faith for reasons of entertainment." (This is distinct from finding you entertaining and instructive as I do - although you deny, it seems, being both.) I hope that, as with the last few times you have made claims about me it does not prove a straw man argument. But think it will.

And the Bible doesn't tell us to question everything

Really? Not even here:

but test everything; hold fast what is good." 1 Thessalonians 5:21 ?

Have you even read the Bible?

People of faith believe in God. They do not question his existence.

Issues of doubt are common within Christianity, which is just the flip side of issues of credulity. The Bible does not say that faith comes without doubt, merely that it ought to be eliminated. And if no one with faith doubts, then why does it come up several times as a matter for concern - and not just with regards to heathens - within scripture? Jude 1:22 even tells the faithful to have mercy on those who doubt.

Film is delusional... Film will be one of the many sniveling atheists

Don't you list the word 'delusional' as an example of the ongoing ridicule you condemn in others? But I forgive you. Again.

I wouldn't be surprised if his soul fries in hell.

Will I get to meet Pluto, Lord of the Underworld, too? You never tell me.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

he's only on IMDb to ridicule people of faith

and then....

finding you entertaining and instructive as I do

As you found other people of faith that you torment. Looks like a confession to me.

Have you even read the Bible?

Here you once again try to convince people that it's ok to question the existence of God.

How stupid.

Jude 1:22 even tells the faithful to have mercy on those who doubt.

The Bible also recognizes that people sin, but it doesn't say it's ok to sin. You're being stupid again.

Don't you list the word 'delusional'

In your post you suggested that it's ok to question God's existence. That is a delusion. I was actually being merciful. Actually you've been acting like a jackass to be accurate.

Will I get to meet Pluto, Lord of the Underworld, too?

Email us when you get there.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

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and then....

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As you found other people of faith that you torment. Looks like a confession to me.

I can only observe again in connection with this that it is a shame if you consider yourself ill-informed and boring. And 'ridiculing for entertainment' is not at all the same as finding someone entertaining. But I am sure you really know that.

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Have you even read the Bible?
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Here you once again try to convince people that it's ok to question the existence of God.

I am not trying to convincing anyone of anything. But questioning the existence of god, with arguments to and fro, have been part and parcel of philosophical enquiry since the beginning, which is what I had mind when I mentioned "having an interest" in my original reply. Your attitude is rather fundamentalist in excluding the possibility of honest doubt and resultant, obvious, questions. I am just pleased that you are not an Islamic court, dealing with apostasy.

If you look back and read carefully you will see that I simply quoted the Bible for what it says to "test everything" after you claimed it did not. So point proved. I will readily admit that Jesus then contradicts this when he says "You shall not put your Lord your God to the test" [Matt 4:7 etc]. How you reconcile these two things is up to you, I guess.

How stupid... acting like a jackass.. delusion

I forgive you. Again.

The Bible also recognizes that people sin, but it doesn't say it's ok to sin ... In your post you suggested that it's ok to question God's existence

Well, as above I will agree that the Bible clearly addresses the faithful and says that they should not put their God to the test. As noted though, it recognises doubt can exist and offers mercy for it. But, then again, duh, I am not a believer with fear of hellfire and pitchforks etc, tied to a belief system, so you will allow me some intellectual freedom here. And even with this, it still leaves plenty of fertile ground for questions around all the other aspects of religion. It may not be OK for the committed and credulous to consider their faith critically - but for everyone else it certainly makes sense. After all, a unexamined life is not worth living, according to that pagan Aristotle at least.

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Email us when you get there.

Should I pay the ferryman, or even ask the price lol?

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] LenaAFoster 8 years ago

You just seem young and energetic to me Film. I was once where you are. Questioning EVERYTHING. I look around and see these young Christians and wonder how it was soooooo easy for them to grow into faith.

I always believed in God, like the original poster, but felt that I was covered because I believed.

But, I have to say, I truly had no idea what I was missing all of these years. The soul fulfilled by faith and love of Jesus. It is indescribable. And I grew up with no interest in anything Bible. Seemed sort of square and boring. Bible study.

I had absolutely no idea how rich and exciting and interesting Biblical history is.

And I was literally just traveling through a doorway from my bedroom to my bathroom one morning while getting ready for work with not a thought of much of anything but "where is my eyeliner?" When BAM, like lightning something hit me, and I fell into the doorway and it was like a "twinkling of an eye" that Jesus grabbed me.

It was like Jesus spoke to me and directly to my soul and said to my soul, ok Galena (not my real name), "enough already dear, COME TO ME!" It was one of those, what was that? Kind of moments. Very surreal...and that was it. Then I pondered it. Then I really pondered it. My heart and soul was touched by the hand of God. No other way to describe it. A jolt of electricity that bowls you over...

Then, I spent years searching and going towards that. And I still am.

At one point, before I even really understood what the "Bride or Christ" truly meant, I was stressed out sitting there at my desk at home, and I sighed and said "but I don't want to marry Jesus!" So, I'm like WTF, and who am I having this conversation with anyway, and who am I in fact debating? And why am I stressed about faith? I think I was scared that I would become a "holy roller" or "religious zealot" etc. (oh dear...looks like I got over that fear eventually....thank you Jesus ) but yet I felt compelled to let's face it surrender to him.

I guess deep down you know, even without reading it in scriptures, that once you decide to give yourself to Jesus and look to God, you give up the world. The world becomes different and there is a mourning. Well maybe not for everyone, but for some. Just as they said in this movie, you make the choice, "to be accepted by the world and be judged by God, or be accepted by God and hated by the world" (something like that).....
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So, faith doesn't come easily to everyone. I remember, before all of that, having a discussion with my born again neighbors who were mortified when I wasn't admitting that the only way to salvation was through Jesus. They were like, "you're sounding like an atheist." Well, I wasn't a nonbeliever. I was just having a hard time understanding how deeds alone couldn't get you to heaven or if a God was merciful and all knowing, he wouldn't just forgive nonbelievers and let them in too

But, I truly get it now. I also get that when Jesus calls you, he plays to win, and he never loses. He knows his children and you can fight it, but at some point you have to ask, why fight Jesus when he is reaching for your soul?

I'm so much more at peace now. I have so much more hope. I look at life differently and things that used to bother me no longer do.

And it's not just something I "tell myself" to "make myself feel better" or be "less afraid." I was happy and unafraid before. What happened to me that one day that sent me on my journey to Jesus, to me, was simply Jesus telling me it is time to come to him and that was that. There was no other choice after that. It was the best one.

So, I see you as energetic and skeptical as an exercise of choice, but I suspect your spiritual journey has already begun. You will get there one day, and it's the way it is supposed to be.

Just my opinion.

Galena

*Free speech opinion w/ pseudonym internet moniker w/o malice for debate and discussion🌈

[–] SheLeppie 8 years ago

So much arrogance coupled with ignorance in this post, it beggers belief. Film must be young and ignorant because he hasn't accepted Jesus as his lord and saviour?

I grew up in an evangelical church, and fortunately for me, I grew out of it as I started to question, and now I see so much wonder in the world that I would have missed had I remained in the church. If you look outside your little box world you live in (I'm guessing in America), you will realise that people of all faiths, non-faiths and creeds have 'lightening' experiences like you did, though they don't attribute it to Jesus like you did.

Try an ayahuasca ceremony in Peru, or meditation or sufi dancing - all of those things will deepen and enlighten your understanding of your purpose, and give you lightening bolt experiences.

Jesus is not the only way, and to suggest he is 'the only way' and Film will realise this when he grows up, is unadulterated ignorance of the highest order. It is YOU who need to grow up, get educated and step outside your little box of belief into the wider world.

I simply am not there...

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

Email us when you get there.

Given your insistence that heaven/the afterlife has working email, and with it presumably unlimited super duper fast fibre optics, you'd think that God would take advantage of the modern age and just email everyone to let us know for sure that he/she/it really does exist. Or at least get one of the angels to do it as God, should he/she/it actually exist, plainly doesn't give a toss about humanity anymore.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

If you didn't get an email from God, then assume your destiny has already been chosen Cosmo.

Snivel for forgiveness like all the other atheists on their deathbeds for all the good it will do you.

Oh look Cosmo! I found the music for your funeral.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo41y-kZ9WY

I'll assume you're too stupid to even know what this is about.

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

Snivel for forgiveness like all the other atheists on their deathbeds for all the good it will do you.

I'll play along for a moment and assume that your particular god of choice (carefully chosen ahead of all others presumably?) is real. I've got far too many morals to want to spend an eternity worshipping such a petty, angry creature.

Ask for forgiveness for your hate-filled behaviour from one of the many hundreds of unevidenced gods throughout history for all the good it will do you.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

I'll play along for a moment and assume that your particular god of choice (carefully chosen ahead of all others presumably?) is real. I've got far too many morals to want to spend an eternity worshipping such a petty, angry creature.

BOOM! There it is! Proof that you're a bigot who's simply here to ridicule people of faith.

"Creature"?

Fry in hell you filthy immoral militant atheist animal. lol

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

There's a difference, kurt, between insulting and ridiculing a person ( as a 'filthy immoral militant animal', say) and calling a deity 'a creature'.

So you need to separate beliefs from personality. If there is no human right not to be ridiculed or to feel insulted, then even more can be said about beliefs, which have no rights at all. There is no perquisite for hallowed ideas and beliefs to be treated with kid gloves just because they are sincerely held. But as usual, this has been patiently explained before, and with predictable results - and so no doubt, we can look forward to the next aggressive reply to this time, too.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

There's a difference, kurt, between insulting and ridiculing a person ( as a 'filthy immoral militant animal', say) and calling a deity 'a creature'.

Only in your weird little imagination. And my tactics pay off. It's obvious you don't like a taste of your own medicine, Muppet. lol

So you need to separate beliefs from personality.

You need to get a real job and a constructive hobby if you think your trolling is healthy.

If there is no human right not to be ridiculed or to feel insulted,

Maybe in the U.K. You obviously know nothing about harassment laws in the states. IMDb allows for a free for all.

we can look forward to the next aggressive reply

You and your client cosmo?

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

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There's a difference, kurt, between insulting and ridiculing a person ( as a 'filthy immoral militant animal', say) and calling a deity 'a creature'.
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Only in your weird little imagination. And my tactics pay off. It's obvious you don't like a taste of your own medicine,

No, honestly, men and hypothetical deities or the surrounding belief systems are quite different. You can check.

Muppet. lol

I forgive you. Again.

You need to get a real job and a constructive hobby if you think your trolling is healthy.

Pointing out your error is not 'trolling'. But then again, you do get upset very easily.

If there is no human right not to be ridiculed or to feel insulted,
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Maybe in the U.K. You obviously know nothing about harassment laws in the states. IMDb allows for a free for all.

Harassment is not the same as 'feeling insulted'. Are you feeling harassed now, kurt? Also, freedom of speech is pretty big in the USA when last I checked.

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You and your client cosmo?

Looks like we got it then lol

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

No, honestly, men and hypothetical deities or the surrounding belief systems are quite different. You can check.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Bzq16Z0jI2s/UKaWxqxVT-I/AAAAAAAAA_4/I4Cu68gthN8/s1600/hitchens+2.png

Harassment is not the same as 'feeling insulted'.

So you comment on all pro-Christian film boards, and no one feels insulted.

  

"...your god... want to spend an eternity worshiping such a petty, angry creature. - CosmoHobo

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

So you comment on all pro-Christian film boards, and no one feels insulted

That is not what I said; I am surprised you are still giving me Straw Man replies here, especially after all the quality time we have spent together. You must know they will be picked up.

The point is, still, that no-one has a right not to feel 'insulted',; that notwithstanding, you are one of the worst offenders for rudeness I know and the only indication given about others being insulted apparently comes from secret communicants - on whose behalf you say you do not even speak! This apart from the fact that you are not even a Xian yourself. Go figure.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

so tell me why you deleted 'College Girls' and the other dirty film from your list of films you watched, if you're not embarrassed that we see the list?

I'll wait.

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

There it is, the kurt we all know and love, the one who's willing to take insult where there is none in order to justify insulting others.

Hey kurt, even those who believe in God tend to recognise that he/she/it is not human, and is not a person. More so than that, even humans are creatures. If you'd prefer I can refer to God as a character, something I almost did, but the temptation to really rile you up was too much to ignore. Here's the thing, unless God can provide some DNA, something we both know is impossible, then God has no classification as a species so if anything 'creature' is unfair simply because it suggests something that can be classified.

here to ridicule people of faith.

If I have 'ridiculed' God then perhaps they can email you about their displeasure, it seems all other believers do it. If you can point to, and define why, I've 'ridiculed' any people of faith, including yourself, in that post then go for it. Along with that, can you finally understand that you are not a representative of anyone but yourself, therefore anything said to you is for you and you alone, stop speaking on behalf of others. For one thing I'd be surprised if 'people of faith' would be happy being represented by someone who takes great pleasure in calling those who don't share your beliefs "filthy immoral militant atheist animal" who should "fry in Hell" (capitalise it and stop ridiculing people of faith please). And not to forget the customary "lol"

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

If I have 'ridiculed' God

"creature"

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

Read the rest of the post you're quote mining from, it's all explained in there.

[–] deviates 8 years ago

BOOM! There it is!

What, your desperate need to feel offended about something? Instead of addressing a point or engaging in a conversation you instead look to play the victim. Lovely example of regressive behaviour.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

assume that your particular god of choice (carefully chosen ahead of all others presumably?) is real. I've got far too many morals to want to spend an eternity worshipping such a petty, angry creature.

Spoken like a true militant atheist.

[–] SheLeppie 8 years ago

Interesting that the christian on this thread is the nastiest person, throwing disgusting insults at all who disagree, while the non-christians remain civil in their discourse. You're not doing a good job at emulating your lord and saviour, Jesus there Kurt. You're making christians look very bad.

I simply am not there...

[–] TopFrog 8 years ago

People of faith believe in God. They do not question his existence.

As the author (and Christian) Anne Lamott once said, "the opposite of faith is not doubt, but certainty. Certainty is missing the point entirely."

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

It concerned a physical ailment that has tortured me for 20+ years. I was healed instantly.

I suppose you would be forgiving towards one who was to completely doubt this rather unbelievable *cough:bullshít:cough* claim?

[–] deviates 8 years ago

Because I have an interest in religion and why some people choose to believe, even if I don't believe myself. I've read the Bible (two different translations) and been to Church. I understand 'the word'. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm 'trolling' or 'looking for a fight'. I can understand if you don't like people challenging your view point or religion, but if that's the case don't reply to them. Or start a thread calling them out.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

doesn't mean I'm 'trolling' or 'looking for a fight'.

Message for OP. Deviates has been trolling pro-Christian film boards for years now.

He is picking a fight and so are the other two clowns who chimed in on your thread.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

Has ChowderCheese not written to you in confidence yet, asking you to defend his honour against all-comers? Give it time...

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Has ChowderCheese not written to you in confidence yet, asking you to defend his honour against all-comers? Give it time...

Leave your girlfriend out of this.

https://hobbinol.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/insult-badge.jpg?w=529

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

Guess not then, since all I get is more rudeness lol

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

I've read the attack comments you've made on numerous threads, with various message boards, and you're the last clown on IMDb to be giving lectures on politeness. Let alone the endless wait for your irrefutable evidence that God doesn't exist. Which seems to be your one trick pony issue on IMDb. Some people actually discuss films on IMDb, Muppet.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

you're the last clown on IMDb to be giving lectures on politeness. Muppet.

Yep, just as I thought. Ultimately, rudeness is all you have.

Let alone the endless wait for your irrefutable evidence that God doesn't exist

Well I shan't wait for irrefutable evidence, as that unlikeliness is one reason I am a soft atheist, admitting I could be wrong. But you know that already, don't you? I am surprised that you still don't remember.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

soft atheist

As if hiding behind that self styled characterization is going to somehow help your argument. Every person of faith knows your argument is all wind and no sail.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

As if hiding behind that self styled characterization

'Soft', or 'negative', as a division within atheism has been around since at least the 80's (and in fact was given its first concrete definition by my old tutor, Flew) so it is hardly 'self-styled'. Also, it might be argued that any person concerned is best placed to know, and describe, his or her own intellectual position.

Every person of faith knows your argument is all wind and no sail.

Oh? Have they all written to you then, like the previous six who did to complain about me? I guess your inbox must be pretty full now then, huh.

But, even so, better wind and sail than the sinking ship that traditional religion increasingly represents.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] deviates 8 years ago

you're the last clown on IMDb to be giving lectures on politeness.

Muppet

Well that attempt to take the high ground on politeness didn't go too well, bad luck old bean.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Well that attempt to take the high ground on politeness didn't go too well, bad luck old bean.

You mean you didn't know?

On the Religion board that's what they call Film.

Not my originated concept for his nickname.

But he fits the bill.

So are you going to have a nice Christmas deviates? Hunched over on your Bob Cratchit desk grading papers and sneering at all the young students making merry with their Merry Christmas, while Ebenezer Deviates slaves over their papers in his cold flat?

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

On the Religion board that's what they call Film ['clown'].

I cannot think of a single occasion when this has been the case.

But he fits the bill.

I forgive you.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

I cannot think of a single occasion when this has been the case.

Now I know you're a liar. I wish I'd thought up that nickname, but I can't take credit.

Just noticed on some other threads they've come up with some other nicknames for you too. lol Good job.

by Melanie000 » 17 hours ago (Thu Dec 15 2016 17:07:35)
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Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no , but rather division [Luke 12:51]

You've had it explained to you before, many times, that Jesus meant that division would be inevitable, but that's not the same as saying he wanted it. But you need to cling to your (deliberate) misinterpretation.

Note that I am not saying that JC 'promoted war'

What? You balked at another lie? Coward!

Laws are silent in times of War - Cicero

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

kurt, I've read through enough threads on RFS to know that when you're quoting Ada (melanie000), you've already lost. She makes you seem relatively polite and intellectual by comparison. Just a little heads up for you.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Actually it means that she's another person of faith that's fed up with obnoxious board atheists. Can't blame her for that.

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

It really doesn't. Much like you she's a hate filled, right wing, dishonest bigot. Actually now I can see why you'd like it.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Again...I didn't vote for Trump.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

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Now I know you're a liar. I wish I'd thought up that nickname, but I can't take credit.

In which case you can link to an example. I am not saying it has never ever happened (after all fundamentalists, psychological proseltytizers, self-style defenders of religion, fervent Xians etc often stoop to ad hominems instead of addressing inconvenient truths), but I can't think of a specific occasion except from your good self. It is not something I would forget, expecially if as common as you suggest. I trust that substantiation this time around will not prove as troublesome the last times? Otherwise it becomes harder and harder to take your negative generalisations seriously - and that really would be shame.

liar

I forgive you.

Just noticed on some other threads they've come up with some other nicknames for you too. lol Good job. .. [quoted exchange from by Melanie00]

I guess you are not familiar with the reputation that that poster enjoys on the general religious board, which is not flattering. Here is an apposite extract from a post (not by me) from off that same board today which ought to give you a clue:

... since coming to this message board and reading the convincing arguments of such religious stalwarts as Melanie000 ... among others, I have been converted. I now definitely believe that god is real and jesus existed, totally. I guess my first step on this new path to enlightenment is to start insulting people. But name-calling is big and clever isn't it? As someone so hot on 'ridicule' and 'insult' it seems to suit when convenient to find it praiseworthy. There's a name for that, a good job I wouldn't use it... http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000108/thread/264316887

But whatever: Jesus, I am sure, would be proud of you both.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] deviates 8 years ago

So are you going to have a nice Christmas deviates? Hunched over on your Bob Cratchit desk grading papers and sneering at all the young students making merry with their Merry Christmas, while Ebenezer Deviates slaves over their papers in his cold flat?

Why is Ebenezer sitting at Bob Cratchit's desk?

I'll be having a great Christmas, Kurt, thanks for the insincerity. I enjoy the Christmas period. I've completed all my marking and am about to start the holiday period. I'm even going to Church this weekend. I do hope your don't allow your bitterness to ruin your family's Christmas.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Why is Ebenezer sitting at Bob Cratchit's desk?

Bob decided to wise up.

I'm even going to Church this weekend. I do hope your don't allow your bitterness to ruin your family's Christmas.

I'm Father Christmas during the holidays.

From my favorite Brit musical, enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRWkpIIlVMU

[–] deviates 8 years ago

Bob decided to wise up.

So Ebenezer sits at Bob's desk? Doesn't really make much sense, Kurt. Leave the story to Dickens.

I'm Father Christmas during the holidays.

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[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

So Ebenezer sits at Bob's desk? Doesn't really make much sense, Kurt. Leave the story to Dickens.

Bob quit and found another job, which does make sense. Strooge had to do his own bookkeeping.

'Bob decided to wise up.' hello?

Five years since Hitch passed. Ghost of Christmas past? lol

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.quickmeme.com%2Fimg%2F2c%2F2c7442117aef88e60b3735fe5cbb945746b3b83e7a965bf903a2b96e04dc80b9.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quickmeme.com%2FHitchens&docid=iLJgW4MywgKo2M&tbnid=5ojvehFCdCxtnM%3A&vet=1&w=625&h=440&bih=759&biw=1536&q=christopher%20hitchens%20memes&ved=0ahUKEwiP-IKNg_zQAhWIbxQKHWpaBFAQMwg7KBQwFA&iact=mrc&uact=8

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[–] deviates 8 years ago

Five years since Hitch passed. Ghost of Christmas past? lol

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fs2.quickmeme.com%2Fimg%2F2c%2F2c7442117aef88e60b3735fe5cbb945746b3b83e7a965bf903a2b96e04dc80b9.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.quickmeme.com%2FHitchens&docid=iLJgW4MywgKo2M&tbnid=5ojvehFCdCxtnM%3A&vet=1&w=625&h=440&bih=759&biw=1536&q=christopher%20hitchens%20memes&ved=0ahUKEwiP-IKNg_zQAhWIbxQKHWpaBFAQMwg7KBQwFA&iact=mrc&uact=8

You realise that was said in a debate about whether a good God exists? Seems ironic you'd post that, given the context.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/62/7f/57/627f57b9f32f8c4bf8d6ea61585be6a4.jpg

How is your Church, now you brought it up?

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

You realise that was said in a debate about whether a good God exists? Seems ironic you'd post that, given the context.

I'm aware of that, but I like his humor anyway. Ok with you?

How is your Church, now you brought it up?

Still asking for money.

[–] deviates 8 years ago

I'm aware of that, but I like his humor anyway. Ok with you?

Absolutely fine, it's funnier to see it coming from someone the quote would have been directed at.

Still asking for money.

Yet you keep going?

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Absolutely fine, it's funnier to see it coming from someone the quote would have been directed at.

Or the hypocrite it originated from.

Yet you keep going?

Told you I believe in God, and don't hate churches.

I don't like the greed, but they'll answer for that some day.

[–] deviates 8 years ago

Told you I believe in God, and don't hate churches.

So you keep going? Sounds like the sheep like behaviour you were posting about.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Unlike you, I admit to my possible shortcomings, but perhaps this is a lesson God puts me through. I like the people I attend church with, and you have a problem understanding that.

[–] deviates 8 years ago

I admit to my possible shortcomings

 No you don't, you ignore them and blame them on others.

I like the people I attend church with, and you have a problem understanding that.

I have no problem with it, how you live your life is up to you. Personally though I wouldn't support an organisation whose major practices I fundamentally disagree with.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

and blame them on others.

Only when attempting to chat with communication challenged Brits.

how you live your life is up to you.

How magnanimous your observations have become.

I wouldn't support an organisation whose major practices I fundamentally disagree with.

You mean....I couldn't have just guessed that without you playing Captain Obvious?

[–] deviates 8 years ago

communication challenged

Where there are issues of communication on these boards, there's one common denominator and it's not me Kurt. But then this just further evidence for my point - you blame your inability to understand others on them rather than looking closer to home.

How magnanimous your observations have become.

You should keep your sarcastic comments on all things magnanimous considering how freely you you go around accusing people of being pedophiles.

You mean....I couldn't have just guessed that without you playing Captain Obvious?

Clearly not Kurt, seeing as you're willing to be a good little sheep and continue to support an organisation you know is doing wrong just because it'd be uncomfortable to do the alternative.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

you blame your inability to understand others on them rather than looking closer to home.

I communicate perfectly. It's you playing the victim again.

accusing people of being pedophiles.

Cosmo wanted to have a lengthy conversation about Stewart on two different boards, but not confront me on the Stewart board. He ranted endlessly in defense of Stewart, and I told the little toad what I really think about him. His fault.

just because it'd be uncomfortable to do the alternative.

The alternative being - atheist? No thanks.

[–] deviates 8 years ago

I communicate perfectly.

Again, precisely my point. Numerous people, believers and non-believers before you reach for the atheist-only-card, have pointed out that you're incoherent at the best times. Those that you converse with have had perfectly reasonable conversations with others on this and other boards yet it's only you that struggles greatly to understand anything.

In other words, no one seems to have much of an issue understanding each other until you're involved.

I told the little toad what I really think about him.

So you actually stand by what you said? I'm amazed even you have sunk that low.

The alternative being - atheist? No thanks.

There's the good little sheep again. No Kurt, you could be a believer (but non-Christian, however it is you're labelling yourself these days) but not support a formal organisation.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Again, precisely my point. Numerous people, believers and non-believers before you reach for the atheist-only-card, have pointed out that you're incoherent at the best times. Those that you converse with have had perfectly reasonable conversations with others on this and other boards yet it's only you that struggles greatly to understand anything.

In other words, no one seems to have much of an issue understanding each other until you're involved.

I can recall of a number of Christians that walked away from your conversations as if you were a homeless man talking to himself on the street, so don't even bother with that argument.

The two or three people of faith you were talking to were appeasers - kind of like your Prime Minister at the start of WW2. The world is full of arse kissers. You were lucky to find a couple that found you amusing. I saw through the bs and wouldn't put up with it. That's what makes you mad.

So you actually stand by what you said?

The little creep followed me to the Stewart page.
Read numerous comments.
Didn't understand content or context.
Wanted to rant about my comments on a page he didn't participate in.
And now wonders why I [continue] to think he's a jackass.
It's classic Cosmo, who can't seem to get enough of me. The guy loves me.

I think he owes me an apology.
I didn't ask for his views on Kristen Stewart.
And now you defend the wuss.
Another reason why you need a girlfriend.

No Kurt, you could be a believer (but non-Christian, however it is you're labelling yourself these days) but not support a formal organisation.

Interesting that you Brit atheists worry over my future and not your own. Should I even be surprised.

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

and I told the little toad what I really think about him.

You're more than welcome to continue on with that crap kurt, and I'm more than happy to report you to admin for it every time until they delete your account. Or you can apologise, and actually mean it, and we'll see how things go after that. It's your choice.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

I wonder if people who get kicked out ever come back again.

Or whether it's worth coming back again.

If you Brit atheists are the intellectual sophisticates of IMDb, I'm wondered if getting booted is good or bad.

worse punishment being forced to read your ranting blather day after day.

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

I think we can take this as an admission that you've been banned before but came back. No? If not why else would you say all of this nonsense?

If you Brit atheists are the intellectual sophisticates of IMDb

Not accusing others of paedophilia, particularly because they either fancy a 26 year old or don't appreciate misogyny =/= intellectual sophistication. It's a matter of morals and ethics, and for a man who claims to be a person of faith to not understand that is astounding.

I think he owes me an apology.

Have I accused you of paedophilia kurt? No. Have you accused me of it? Yes, and you continue to make that implication. And you think you deserve any sort of apology after all these months of insults, lies and now libel? You're getting even more deluded in your old age.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

I think we

It's glaringly apparent that you're again using the word 'we" and claiming to represent an audience. This is why you want to bring a multi-member discussion from the Stewart board to this board, so that you can gather backup to support your attack.

Which is also a rather sisified tactic. Thus the reason you leave the impression of being extremely feminine.

[–] deviates 8 years ago

I can recall of a number of Christians that walked away from your conversations as if you were a homeless man talking to himself on the street, so don't even bother with that argument.

Rather than getting on to why you choose to flee from the homeless, I'll just make the point that I never said I didn't have conversations where people walked away. But can you name someone other than Lena who you've not managed to rub up the wrong way?

The two or three people of faith you were talking to were appeasers

You keep believing whatever makes you feel comfortable, Kurt. It's just further evidence for what I pointed out earlier.

The little creep followed me to the Stewart page.
Read numerous comments.
Didn't understand content or context.
Wanted to rant about my comments on a page he didn't participate in.

The irony being you've done this to others, and have only decided it's a problem since it happened to you. Further evidence of your inconsistency and hypocrisy.

I think he owes me an apology

Then you're delusional.

Interesting that you Brit atheists worry over my future and not your own. Should I even be surprised.

Nice deflection, but the point is you attempted to call others sheep but have admitted that rather leave an organisation you don't agree with, you'll continue to be a good little follower. I couldn't care less about your future.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

But can you name someone other than Lena who you've not managed to rub up the wrong way?

Sure but why? And why would you actually believe that I'd give you the names of respected friends?

The irony being you've done this to others, and have only decided it's a problem since it happened to you. Further evidence of your inconsistency and hypocrisy.

Actually you still follow people. Further evidence of your inconsistency and hypocrisy.

I couldn't care less about your future.

Then why do you keep wanting to chat? lol

[–] deviates 8 years ago

Sure but why?

Seems convenient. Pretty sure I've seen you have a similar argument with another poster here - because they can't provide you with the evidence you've asked for (regardless as to whether they already have or not) you claim it to be proof of the opposite. By your logic then, your refusal to provide names is proof that you've not been able to maintain a reasonable conversation with anyone.

Actually you still follow people.

This is fun. Another claim you've not got evidence for. More inconsistency.

Then why do you keep wanting to chat? lol

Is this why you call pedophiles, throw homophobic abuse at them and use every playground insult from whatever decade you're from, to try and put people off the boards? You failed in your self-appointed role of board-police so now you've decided to make the place as grim as possible. The old "If I cant have it, no one can" mentality. No shock there.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

so that you can gather backup to support your attack.

Perhaps he should reference invisible people who have written to him in confidence? LOL

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Perhaps he should reference invisible people who have written to him in confidence?

Perhaps you can be his friend. Apparently he needs one.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

Not a problem. I am friendly, or even-tempered with most people, and still talk to those who are rude and aggressive nearly all the time.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

and still talk to those who are rude and aggressive nearly all the time.

And your opinions are still arrogant, obnoxious militant atheist cr*p, intended to ridicule people of faith.

I am friendly

You're a jackass, Mr. Self Rated.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

your opinions are still arrogant, obnoxious militant atheist cr*p, intended to ridicule people of faith.

The ones who never say anything but write to you in private. I think we got how that line goes lol. Do they ever thank you for being on their side? I would.

You're a jackass

Hey cool, is that below, or above, a muppet? Either way, I forgive you. But you do suffer a severely limited range of insults. Diminishing returns and all that.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

The ones who never say anything but write to you in private. I think we got how that line goes lol. Do they ever thank you for being on their side?

Actually they all thanked me and they thought you're insane.

Either way, I forgive you.

I couldn't care less about your future. - FilmFlaneur

But you do suffer a severely limited range of insults. Diminishing returns and all that.

hypocrite
liar
cheat
filthy atheist animal

Why add to the perfect list.

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

It's glaringly apparent that you're again using the word 'we" and claiming to represent an audience.

Seriously man, basic English lessons, they go a long way in life.

sisified

And your behaviour is the reason you leave the impression that you're an out of touch, homophobic, sexist, fundamentalist, mentally deficient, borderline illiterate, right wing degenerate.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Pretty sure I've seen you have a similar argument with another poster here -

You're another one that follows me around from one board to the next.

throw homophobic abuse at them

Again...I don't care if you and cosmo are gay.

self-appointed role of board-police

Again...no one leaves boards when I get after them, since they just dig in and fight back. Thus the reason I kick them in the complacency.

Stop sniveling deviates. It's embarrassing to read. lol

"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." - deviates

[–] deviates 8 years ago

You're another one that follows me around from one board to the next.

You realise the only time people have 'followed' you is to highlight your hypocrisy?

Again...I don't care if you and cosmo are gay.

 You never miss an opportunity to show off your bigotry.

Again...no one leaves boards when I get after them

Awww, bless. This comment of yours explains so much.

"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." - deviates

I like that you're using this as your signature, it's further evidence that you don't understand most of what you read. At no point have I said "You aren't a Christian" to someone, ironically you have.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

You realise the only time people have 'followed' you is to highlight your hypocrisy?

Liar. I was minding my own business and having a lengthy chat with people on the Kristen Stewart board. Your buddy cosmo dropped a couple posts at the GND board outlining numerous comments I made on a board he refused to participate in.

That's creepy stalking, and he didn't even get his story straight.

Cosmo picked the fight, and then got mad when it didn't go how he planned.

You never miss an opportunity to show off your bigotry.

You never miss a chance to vent your gay rights lecture.

I like that you're using this as your signature,

"Highlight your hypocrisy?"

[–] deviates 8 years ago

You never miss a chance to vent your gay rights lecture.

I can't remember a time I've spoken about it other than in response to your homophobia. Which is often, admittedly.

Hi

Selective quoting FTW.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

your homophobia.

I don't care if you and cosmo are gay. Fill your boots.

"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." - deviates

[–] deviates 8 years ago

I don't care if you and cosmo are gay

Are you sure? You do like to talk about other people's sex lives an incredible amount.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Are you sure? You do like to talk about other people's sex lives an incredible amount.

I was minding my own business on the Stewart board, when you and cosmo wanted to have a discussion about Stewart, but just not on her board. Which was weird.

You got yourself in this, so feel free to excuse yourself then.

And lets see the list of films you watch mr. hypocrite.

[–] deviates 8 years ago

I was minding my own business on the Stewart board

You have a strange idea as to what counts as your business.

And lets see the list of films you watch mr. hypocrite.

I don't feel the need to record every film I watch on a list on IMDB, there's nothing hypocritical about that.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

You have a strange idea as to what counts as your business.

You lectured me that message boards are opened to everyone. I was having a long discussion on that board with people, that didn't include you.

You went over to the Stewart board, read my comments, and brought your feedback to this board.

That's pretty strange, even by Kurt standards. Don't lecture professor, because you're not making any sense right now.

don't feel the need to record every film I watch on a list on IMDB, there's nothing hypocritical about that.

Then maybe you should zip it and mind your own business if you don't want to participate like other IMDb members.

"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." - deviates

[–] deviates 8 years ago

You lectured me that message boards are opened to everyone. I was having a long discussion on that board with people, that didn't include you.

You missed the key point on that lecture. No matter, I'll upload the powerpoint slides for you to study later.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

You missed the key point on that lecture. No matter, I'll upload the powerpoint slides for you to study later.

You mean...I don't have a right to comment on another board that you and cosmo don't happen to be on, and talk to other people?

You're not making any sense cosmo.

I'm going to say this again...it was really freak'n strange that you and cosmo followed me to the Stewart board, read multiple posts and brought your feedback to this unrelated board. No amount of Power Point will bail you out of this one deviates.

"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." - deviates

[–] deviates 8 years ago

You mean...I don't have a right to comment on another board that you and cosmo don't happen to be on, and talk to other people?

You stated the 'lecture' I gave pointed out these are public forums that anyone can involve themselves with. Then you expressed your dismay when someone did exactly that. So although you can restate the point of the lecture, you clearly didn't understand it.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Then you expressed your dismay when someone did exactly that.

No liar. I stated it was extremely weird that you and cosmo followed me to the Stewart board, read many of my posts and then take up your objections on GND & GND2.

So although you can restate the point of the lecture, you clearly didn't understand it.

You clearly went into denial regarding the truth. You should have posted your objections to your hero Stewart on her board, and not on unrelated boards.

See how dishonest you are?

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

You just don't understand. The message boards are open to all, so remember that when it's kurt the're private conversations because... reasons, I guess?

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

Cosmo picked the fight, and then got mad when it didn't go how he planned.

How's the progress going digging yourself out of this hole, are you getting far?

You never miss a chance to vent your gay rights lecture.

Keep your fingers crossed kurt, now the Republicans have full control of the US maybe you'll get lucky and they'll put an end to those pesky gay rights, mmarite?

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

Actually they [kurt's purported private correspondents] all thanked me and they thought you're insane.

What a shame you can't prove any of this. But then again a lot of that which you believe cannot be proven, so one is not surprised.

I couldn't care less about your future. - FilmFlaneur

I do think you need to check I actually said this. Cosmo says he thinks that it was him, and repeating it to me just creates a straw man fallacy every time. I actually have great confidence in your future. I am sure you will go far in customer relations.

hypocrite
liar
cheat
filthy atheist animal

You missed off 'muppet' and 'militant atheist'. Did your fingers get tired lol?

What was that you say about insulting people again?

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

What a shame you can't prove any of this. But then again a lot of that which you believe cannot be proven, so one is not surprised.

You wouldn't care anyway, but next time a Christian sees your arrogance in one of your attacks, I'll ask your victim.

"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." - deviates

I do think you need to check I actually said this.

Actually it turned out to be both you and deviates. I collected and copied your comment just today. But thanks anyway hypocrite. I FORGIVE YOU.LOL

You missed off 'muppet' and 'militant atheist'. Did your fingers get tired lol?

Lately you've been nothing more than a common liar so that's this week's word for you.

What was that you say about insulting people again?

That jackasses like you deserve it?

[–] deviates 8 years ago

No liar. I stated it was extremely weird that you and cosmo followed me to the Stewart board, read many of my posts

Don't flatter yourself. All I did was exactly what you'd done to a number of posters on the GND boards previously, to give you a taste of your own medicine. It only took a handful of posts to see how you'd been behaving over there.

You clearly went into denial regarding the truth. You should have posted your objections...on her board

That would have defeated the point of the exercise - giving you a taste of your own medicine. You repeatedly brought up people's post histories here, so how does that experience feel? Based on your protestations, clearly not that good.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

next time a Christian sees your arrogance in one of your attacks, I'll ask your victim.

A shame you are not a Xian then you could ask yourself. How about one of the many who write to in confidence to express their outrage? Couldn't you ask them? LOL

"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." - deviates

Why do you keep quoting someone else's words to me? They are not mine.

Actually it turned out to be both you and deviates. I collected and copied your comment just today.

I look forward to seeing it but can't find it. Perhaps a link to substantiate?

liar

I forgive you.

What was that you say about insulting people again?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That jackasses like you deserve it?

No, I think it was more along the lines that you decried it. There is word for saying one thing and doing the opposite, what can it be?

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] deviates 8 years ago

He is picking a fight

I'm responding to a question. You're the one trying to make things hostile in this thread.

[–] aesylvia 8 years ago

It really is amazing how impossibly difficult it is to distinguish between a genuinely addled zealot and someone doing a satirical parody of one.

I think I know precisely what I mean when I say it's a shpadoinkle day!

[–] eviljawa101-245-848254 8 years ago

It's a bad movie. You're allowed to critique media regardless of philosophy or ideology. I'm an agnostic, and I criticize God's Not Dead 2 because it's poorly made movie. It's badly written, directed, shot, scored, acted, and edited, and frankly I find it a bit offensive.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

There are time honored inventions called, 'movie trailers' and 'IMDb reviews'. You should look into those options before committing yourself to two hours of viewing and being offended.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

You should look into those options before committing yourself to two hours of viewing and being offended

Yes, some people are 'offended' just too easily, aren't they?

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Yes, some people are 'offended' just too easily, aren't they?

Says the troll that offends people on multiple boards. Yes, your motives have been discussed. We see you.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

the troll that offends people on multiple boards

They would be all those who write to you, a self-admitted non-Xian sinner, in secret to speak in their behalf?

your motives have been discussed

And we know how that ended up, don't we? You were reduced to personal insults.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

They would be all those who write to you, a self-admitted non-Xian sinner, in secret to speak in their behalf?

No one asked me to speak on their behalf. Which is why the other insult term I use for you is: liar.

You were reduced to personal insults

Yes, I can see that you resorted to that, as seen below.

I couldn't care less about your future. - FilmFlaneur

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

No one asked me to speak on their behalf

So all these people wrote to you, and you just volunteered? And you will note that my previous statement was couched as a question, not a statement.

liar

I forgive you.

It is a good job that I am not prone to fling such epithets around, since the story of your many concerned communicants which so conveniently justify your actions (if not your tone and language) here takes some believing. And not all of us are so credulous as others.

Yes, I can see that you resorted to that, as seen below.

I couldn't care less about your future. - FilmFlaneur

This is a straw man, for reasons already described. But in any case it is hardly an insult to lack an interest in the life chances of a rude stranger - especially one who, through his own admission by the standards of his own belief system is doomed to hell.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

So all these people wrote to you, and you just volunteered?

I didn't volunteer for anything. I've become your shrink and you're too rude to pay me for services rendered.

And you will note that my previous statement was couched as a question, not a statement.

Did you really think I'm going to care?

since the story of your many concerned communicants which so conveniently justify your actions (if not your tone and language) here takes some believing. And not all of us are so credulous as others.

I have no idea what that means. If you're referring to your boyfriend Cosmo, he got exactly what he deserved. Next time he'll drop off his comments on the appropriate board where it belongs, or make a fool of himself again. Or he'll follow me to other boards again, and really make a fool of himself.

especially one who, through his own admission by the standards of his own belief system is doomed to hell.

I can ask forgiveness from God who I believe. You'll never believe, which is the greatest sin of all, so you'll fry.

"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." - deviates

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

I didn't volunteer for anything

Then if you weren't asked to speak on their behalf, and haven't volunteered, then it might be best to avoid arguing using their supposed outrage. It might be seen as presumptuous. They did right to you in their numbers in confidence after all lol.

I've become your shrink and you're too rude to pay me for services rendered

Unfortunately you are fantasising again. But you certainly seem more at ease with the idea of having a shrink than I do.

Did you really think I'm going to care?

And yet here you are, still replying...

I have no idea what that means

It wouldn't be the first time. You are, after all, still struggling with the purported proofs for the non-existence of God, one remembers lol

If you're referring to your boyfriend Cosmo

Oh dear, back to homophobic-type slurs, I see.

I can ask forgiveness from God who I believe

Then why not do it now. Or do you think He will think it will be genuine at the end after enjoying your lifetime of sin?

You'll never believe, which is the greatest sin of all, so you'll fry

You never answered about Pluto, the Lord of the Underworld. Should I bring a bone for Cerberus too?

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Then if you weren't asked to speak on their behalf, and haven't volunteered, then it might be best to avoid arguing using their supposed outrage.

You're an idiot. I wasn't asked to speak on their behalf. They considered you to be joke. No one was outraged, they just thought you were pathetic. No emotion required.

But you certainly seem more at ease with the idea of having a shrink than I do.

Then why are you reaching out to me for help? You certainly need one.

And yet here you are, still replying...

Should I stop?

still struggling with the purported proofs for the non-existence of God

You offered no proof.

Just assumptions again.

Oh dear, back to homophobic-type slurs, I see.

I have no idea why you're defending cosmo's virtue. Does seem a bit queer.

Then why not do it now. Or do you think He will think it will be genuine at the end after enjoying your lifetime of sin?

I said I believed in God. I never said that I wanted to be your pastor.

Should I bring a bone for Cerberus too?

You can continue to kiss satan's rear end for all I care.

"I've not judged whether anyone is a person of faith or not..." - deviates

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

You're an idiot

We don't all share your level of intelligence, that is for sure. But I forgive you.

They considered you to be joke ... they just thought you were pathetic.

Was there a vote to that effect, or was that a consensus among the many who communicate with you so confidentially lol?

No one was outraged

Well, if this is the case (and you have told me recently that even you don't feel 'insulted') then why do you make a fuss here at all? Haven't you better things to do, especially since you know that

I'm well aware that railing does no good

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then

No emotion required.

Which observation would suggest that your regular emotions of anger and aggression towards others on this board and others is perhaps redundant...

Then why are you reaching out to me for help?

I think you are imagining things again. The last person to seek help from is a sinner, is that not right?

You certainly need one [a shrink]

It is interesting here how you present yourself as one who ought to know.

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And yet here you are, still replying...
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Should I stop?

But that would leave me short of entertainment and education. And you broaden my vocabulary of invective a lot too.

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still struggling with the purported proofs for the non-existence of God
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You offered no proof.

And yet oddly, you have made no attempt to refute what I said as being such. At all. Which is significant. Baldly saying a putative proof is 'no proof' really doesn't provide a convincing rebuttal. It just begs the question.

Oh dear, back to homophobic-type slurs, I see.
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I have no idea why you're defending cosmo's virtue. Does seem a bit queer.

I am sure that 'queer' was just a Freudian slip.

do you think He will think it will be genuine at the end after enjoying your lifetime of sin?

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I said I believed in God. I never said that I wanted to be your pastor.

I don't think it is I who needs one. After all I don't have all those hang ups about sin, judgement and eternal fire that you appear to have.

You can continue to kiss satan's rear end for all I care.

That's very kind of you.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

We don't all share your level of intelligence...

Your IQ just dropped when you use the word "we". Are you trying to look like a mob by saying "we"? Grow some balls and just speak for yourself, Brit. There is no we here, and you have no fan club.

Was there a vote to that effect, or was that a consensus among the many who communicate with you so confidentially lol?

The common denominator seemed to be that it's a waste of time chatting with you. Stubborn militant atheists truly are a waste of time. No, there was no voting. You're not that important. They just moved on to better conversations.

then why do you make a fuss here at all? Haven't you better things to do, especially since you know that

Well...you said today that if I call you a pedo, you'd report me. Maybe some people don't like your comments either. So you got a taste of your own medicine and didn't like it. So I found your hot button. Maybe you should discontinue the sadistic "entertainment" objective and try talking to people without the arrogance. But I know for a fact that you just can't do that. It's just not in your nature. Thus the reason I insult you. It's like having to throw a pebble at someone's head every five minutes to wake them up.

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then

Then at some point the world will ignore you and your arrogance, because it's boring.

The last person to seek help from is a sinner, is that not right?

You're the one crying for me to answer your questions, and then you type this?

It is interesting here how you present yourself as one who ought to know.

You actually believe that your behavior is normal in IMDb boards? I've looking in at other conversations you have with other members, and they think you're insane. Thus the reason one guy named you Muppet. And I've noticed that you've been called worse by other people.

We'll revisit that topic after I stop talking to you and you're back on the board mouthing off to others. I'll pop in again and say, 'See?'

But that would leave me short of entertainment and education.

There's plenty of people for you to abuse, and I'll look in on you.

After all I don't have all those hang ups about sin, judgement and eternal fire that you appear to have.

I agree! You'll be sentenced straight to hell without appeal. Good call.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

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We don't all share your level of intelligence...
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Your IQ just dropped when you use the word "we". Are you trying to look like a mod by saying "we"?

No, I am looking to see if you recognise a rhetorical way of speaking with some applied sarcasm. I guess not. But perhaps you do think, after all, everyone shares your level of intelligence?

you have no fan club.

Not even the 600 atheists who have written to me lately in confidence to express their admiration? Incidentally they all have said that it is likely that you have psychological issues based on an overly-defensive view of traditional faith, matters which are only resolved through aggression ... but, naturally, I am not one to agree. Unknown correspondents just say anything, don't they?

The common denominator seemed to be that it's a waste of time chatting with you. Stubborn militant atheists truly are a waste of time. No, there was no voting. You're not that important. They just moved on to better conversations.

En masse, or did some stay around to just shoot the breeze? Perhaps you also swopped views on movies aimed at tweens and teenage girls? It must be cool being your friend.

you said today that if I call you a pedo, you'd report me.

Try and find out. You are, after all, (you said) used to being reported so what is one small step more for you?

Maybe you should discontinue the sadistic "entertainment" objective and try talking to people without the arrogance

Maybe I should stop being expected to listen to lectures from one who insults everyone he comes across?

I found your hot button

Unless you are one of those many Catholic priests, child abuse ought to be 'hot button' to every right thinking person. Just as with using paedophilia, disagreeably connected with homosexuality, as a casual insult. But as I said, since you have not tried this on me, then I can continue to forgive you - even your attempted explanations for sailing close to the wind.

I insult you

And I forgive you.

Then at some point the world will ignore you

It is ironic how I can be castigated for using the plural above when here you claim to speak on behalf of what the world will do lol. Examples of conflicted thinking like this remind me again as to why you prove entertaining.

You're the one crying for me to answer your questions

Which reminds me that you still need to refute the proofs I have offered for the non-existence of God. Currently those are the principal questions outstanding. Since you have not refuted them, the inference grows that, at least for you, they are irrefutable. So in that instance: QED.

Thus the reason one guy named you Muppet ... And I've noticed that you've been called worse by other people.

Sadly, that's mostly you kurt lol. Can't you remember anymore? Lol

We'll revisit that topic after I stop talking to you and you're back on the board mouthing off to others. I'll pop in again and say, 'See?'

I am sure your cheerful and empathetic interjections will always be welcomed. See?

There's plenty of people for you to abuse, and I'll look in on you.

Does this mean you are bailing on this exchange, what with so many proofs left unattended and all? For shame. Perhaps your special cyber friends have told you to stop digging when in a hole?

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After all I don't have all those hang ups about sin, judgement and eternal fire that you appear to have.

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I agree!

QED

You'll be sentenced straight to hell

Will Pluto let me hold his bident? It is in all the pictures, after all and looks cool.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

I am looking to see if you recognise a rhetorical way of speaking with some applied sarcasm. I guess not. But perhaps you do think, after all, everyone shares your level of intelligence?

You're the one who keeps begging for my attention. Stop replying if you're disappointed. lol Make up your mind.

Unknown correspondents just say anything, don't they?

Then feel free to chat with them.

Perhaps you also swopped views on movies aimed at tweens and teenage girls? It must be cool being your friend.

Not if you're an atheist.

Maybe I should stop being expected to listen to lectures from one who insults everyone he comes across?

What's the bad news.

It is ironic how I can be castigated for using the plural above when here you claim to speak on behalf of what the world will do lol. Examples of conflicted thinking like this remind me again as to why you prove entertaining.

Are there 600 atheists using IMDb? I see the names of about two dozen jerks who go to every religion board.

Sadly, that's mostly you kurt lol.

He found a fitting nickname for you, Muppet.

I am sure your cheerful and empathetic interjections will always be welcomed. See?

I'm sure your many enemies will get a good laugh.

Does this mean you are bailing on this exchange

Well it is getting boring, and you still haven't provide proof that God doesn't exist.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

You're the one who keeps begging for my attention.

What was it that you said about arrogance lol?

Stop replying if you're disappointed

I am rarely disappointed in you. But then, I have low expectations.

Unknown correspondents just say anything, don't they?

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Then feel free to chat with them.

Hardly possible that, when all I hear about them is what you would have me believe.

Perhaps you also swopped views on movies aimed at tweens and teenage girls? It must be cool being your friend.

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Not if you're an atheist

No being faced by all the pent up aggression and name calling you provide in dispute is not so cool. But it can all end up being entertaining and educational, as I have discovered.

What's the bad news

It is that in which you so fervently believe cannot be proven or empirically evidenced.

Are there 600 atheists using IMDb?

Are you suggesting that I might have made this many private correspondents up??

Muppet

I forgive you. You need to tear another sheet off your Christian calendar btw, there must be a new Word From Scripture for Today by now lol.

I'm sure your many enemies will get a good laugh.

As usual they will have to face persistent and trenchant questioning over the claims of their credulity first. But, feel free to smile meantime. From the sound of you, I think you might need it.

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Well it is getting boring,

And you must be so easily bored...

you still haven't provide proof that God doesn't exist

I provided four possible ones, at least one of which apparently you don't understand, none of which you have attempted to refute. Simply saying 'they are not proofs' and skipping on without supporting reason, hoping this will suffice doesn't really work, neither does repeating a claim which is incorrect make something true. I shall, of course be helpful and repeat these purported proofs each time when you wheel out this particular hobby horse. See it as my present for this Xmas.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

What was it that you said about arrogance lol?

That you seem to suffer from it?

I am rarely disappointed in you. But then, I have low expectations.

"But condescension is not flattering. Please try and avoid it." - FilmFlaneur

Yeah... nothing insulting there.

It is that in which you so fervently believe cannot be proven or empirically evidenced.

I already presented my evidence. You simply didn't agree it was evidence in your opinion.

Are you suggesting that I might have made this many private correspondents up??

I don't even care if you play with hand puppets. It's your life.

You need to tear another sheet off your Christian calendar btw, there must be a new Word From Scripture for Today by now lol.

Why? I'm satisfied with the words applied so far.

As usual they will have to face persistent and trenchant questioning over the claims

Why? Are they under some pressure to convert to atheism?

But, feel free to smile meantime. From the sound of you, I think you might need it.

Yes, you're my funnies for the day. Thank you.

Simply saying 'they are not proofs' and skipping on without supporting reason, hoping this will suffice doesn't really work, neither does repeating a claim which is incorrect make something true.

Ironically, that's what you've been doing. And occasionally....you admit that you have no idea if God exists or not. The fact that you believe that elaboration is needed after that statement is truly humorous.

particular hobby horse. See it as my present for this Xmas.

Plan on getting some new terms and jests in 2017?

"But condescension is not flattering. Please try and avoid it." - FilmFlaneur

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

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What was it that you said about arrogance lol?
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That you seem to suffer from it?

I believe you condemned it lol But perhaps your inferiority complex is showing again? And nothing I have written to you has ever approached the level of suggesting that you ought to be 'begging for my attention' which, lately from you, was a bit optimistic.

I have low expectations

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nothing insulting there.

Why would I have high expectations of a frequently aggressive someone who is a confessed sinner, not a Christian, "does not need evidence" in support of arguments, and always claims not to speak on behalf of anyone else? I remember that you also claimed previously not to be insulted so all this is moot, really.

I already presented my evidence

What is the evidence for your god? I must have missed it. Personal credulity and circular arguments from scripture do not count. Of course if you have proof (quite reasonably asked for from someone suggesting a positive)then that would be even better. Do you?

You simply didn't agree it was evidence in your opinion.

Like when you ignored some suggested proofs for the non-existence of God? I see.

Are you suggesting that I might have made this many private correspondents up??
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I don't even care if you play with hand puppets. It's your life.

Well then, why take issue with my 600 contributors. There's enough evidence in support of that claim as there is for your own concerned citizen's committee.

I'm satisfied with the words applied so far.

Well, it's a few days into the few year and I've yet to see the words 'muppet' or 'militant atheist' which is certainly satisfying to me , at least.

As usual they will have to face persistent and trenchant questioning over the claims
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Why? Are they under some pressure to convert to atheism?

No at all, but things presented as truths ought not escape examination and challenge when they can be seen as questionable - especially in public debate.

Yes, you're my funnies for the day. Thank you.

Is this the same kurt who has criticised others ridiculing for entertainment? I think it is.

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Simply saying 'they are not proofs' and skipping on without supporting reason, hoping this will suffice doesn't really work, neither does repeating a claim which is incorrect make something true.
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Ironically, that's what you've been doing.

Like when you ignored the proposed proofs I gave? And what exact 'claims' have I made which are not true?

....you admit that you have no idea if God exists or not.

Well, to be more accurate I do not have a belief in any supernatural deliberate Cause. But, as you know, as a soft atheist I admit I could be wrong.

Plan on getting some new terms and jests in 2017?

I shall have to see if you provide the usual inspiration, won't I?

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

But perhaps your inferiority complex is showing again? And...

"I'm not being insulting. I'm being sarcastic."

"But condescension is not flattering. Please try and avoid it." - FilmFlaneur

Why would I have high expectations

Is someone holding you hostage on this board? I don't force you to respond if you're unhappy.

frequently aggressive someone who is a confessed sinner

I didn't ask for your resume.

I remember that you also claimed previously not to be insulted so all this is moot, really.

I claimed to be use to your insults, "really." Everyone else walked away from you.

hat is the evidence for your god? I must have missed it.

How could you "miss it" when you responded to it? You and I never had a discussion about paranormal research? You didn't blow it off as worthless information? Should I go through the list of other subjects I regard as evidence and you don't? What is it with you and your selective amnesia?

as a soft atheist I admit I could be wrong.

suggested proofs for the non-existence of God?

Are you now officially for the record recanting that you never stated that you're uncertain whether God exists or not? See the quote above, muppet. I never used the word "gods". That's your hang up.

why take issue with my 600 contributors.

I don't take issue with your atheist friends on IMDb. I'm well aware those filthy animals are literally on every pro-Christian film board on IMDb. I see their comments daily. They'll snivel for forgiveness on their death beds and fry in hell just like you. Your 600 atheist friends have a self fulfilled destiny, and for some reason you think I'm bothered by that. whatever

I've yet to see the words 'muppet' or 'militant atheist' which is certainly satisfying to me , at least.

You're a filthy militant atheist, muppet. There you go. All in one sentence.
You're welcome. :)

but things presented as truths ought not escape examination and challenge when they can be seen as questionable - especially in public debate.

Did someone place an injunction on your free speech? What am I to make of your far flung assertions?

I do not have a belief in any supernatural deliberate Cause

No sh*t sherlock.

I shall have to see if you provide the usual inspiration, won't I?

Translation: You don't have a life.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

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But perhaps your inferiority complex is showing again? And...
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"I'm not being insulting. I'm being sarcastic."

Yep. Can you tell the difference? But then again, as you see apparently see insults in almost every statement confronting you, I guess not. But even then, the relatively genteel suggestion that you have an inferiority complex is hardly with the same venomousness as the outright hostility evinced by 'scum' 'liar' 'filthy militant atheist, muppet' 'animals', and all the rest of your favourites. It is a good job I am very hard to offend.

"But condescension is not flattering. Please try and avoid it." - FilmFlaneur

Good advice.

Is someone holding you hostage on this board? I don't force you to respond if you're unhappy.

If I am ever unhappy, then I will be sure and let you know. It is those lumbered with medieval mythologies who often sound grumpy and defensive. But then again they do have a lot of things to worry about.

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I didn't ask for your resume.

That's right. It was a description of your good self. Perhaps I am wrong though. Are you always amicable during our conversations you'd say? And have you never claimed to be a sinner, who will make things right at the end, hoping your vengeful and jealous god will not remember your cunning plan?

I claimed to be use [sic] to your insults, "really."

With your perennial thin skin I think this is inevitable in regards to practically everyone lol

How could you "miss it" when you responded to it? You and I never had a discussion about paranormal research? You didn't blow it off as worthless information? Should I go through the list of other subjects I regard as evidence and you don't? What is it with you and your selective amnesia?

My apologies: I didn't realise that YouTube and cable TV programmes about ghosts etc was serious "evidence for God", LOL. Does your local church make that claim too? But why would the existence of purported paranormal phenomena, UFOs & etc necessarily suggest a deliberate supernatural first cause over, say, something unknown, not divine in origin but wholly natural? And wasn't it the case that you seemed, to put it mildly, unaware of some of the more famous cases of hauntings with their respective controversies while your library seemed - paltry? Finally, er ... doesn't the Bible specifically proscribe spiritualism?

I already presented my 'evidence'. You simply didn't agree it was evidence equating to empirical proof for anything.

Now I know what you are on about I have helpfully corrected your statement.

Are you now officially for the record recanting that you never stated that you're uncertain whether God exists or not?

No, especially as I just defined what soft atheism entails. Again. And if you remember, the proofs I gave were in response for you asking for some, not those I found them necessarily overwhelmingly convincing. It is quite reasonable to take a reasonable 'holding position' based on a balance of evidence (or lack of it). But one notes, still, that you offered no refutations of any of my proofs whatsoever - which rather suggests you have none and, indeed, would prefer to ignore what was offered in order to just carry on insulting.

I never used the word "gods".

I have never said you have. But are you here denying that there are plenty of 'mythical sky gods' in which you have no belief?

They'll [other atheists] snivel for forgiveness on their death beds and fry in hell just like you.

Apparently representatives of Cthulhu will swoop down and save us. That's what I have heard anyway, so it must be true. Isn't a belief in a hell that is literally true a characteristic of fundamentalism, and hostility one indication of militancy? Hmmm.

Your 600 atheist friends have a self fulfilled destiny, and for some reason you think I'm bothered by that.

And you really are bothered. By so much, too lol

You're a filthy militant atheist, muppet.

See? I knew you could manage a mean ad hominem if you tried. But, suffice to say it is still not big, or clever.

Did someone place an injunction on your free speech?

Fortunately, all you can do is see everything as an insult and demonstrate interminable faux outrage.

What am I to make of your far flung assertions?

Please quote a 'far flung' assertion of mine and let's see, LOL.

I'm well aware that railing does no good ... You're a filthy militant atheist, muppet kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Please quote a 'far flung' assertion of mine and let's see, LOL.

"And you still haven't told me how many sky gods out of mythology you don't believe in."

see insults in almost every statement confronting you

What non-insulting comments have you typed?

you have an inferiority complex

And now you're a psychologist? Made a career change from theologian?

It is those lumbered with medieval mythologies who often sound grumpy and defensive. But then again they do have a lot of things to worry about. And you still haven't told me how many sky gods out of mythology you don't believe in.

"But condescension is not flattering. Please try and avoid it." - FilmFlaneur

Good advice.

With your perennial thin skin I think this is inevitable in regards to practically everyone lol

'outright hostility evinced by militant atheist & muppet'

You seem a little thin skinned.

lol

UFOs & etc

How did UFO's end up in this discussion?

unaware of some of the more famous cases of hauntings with their respective controversies while your library seemed - paltry?

Because I wasn't aware of your favorite paranormal case? I can think of a haunting in your own home city you knew nothing about. Just curious and for the record...do you consider everything on Youtube to be a hoax or just what you personally disapprove of?

I just defined what soft atheism entails.

You're a militant atheist, so don't hide behind those people. I'm sure you'd make them sick.

based on a balance of evidence

You accept no evidence because you consider the paranormal to be a vast conspiracy to hoax.

you here denying that there are plenty of 'mythical sky gods'

You did it again. And then claim you don't insult. lol

Isn't a belief in a hell that is literally true a characteristic of fundamentalism, and hostility one indication of militancy? Hmmm.

Did you want me to take a marker and cross out all references to hell in the Bible? Or have you carved up the Bible enough already?

If you don't believe in hell - out of sight, out of mind. Why are you worried then?

I knew you could manage a mean ad hominem if you tried. But, suffice to say it is still not big, or clever.

I love it being your 'signature' lol

classic.

My New Year's resolution is to be more positive and less sarcastic...Like I won't screw that up right away. - FilmFlaneur

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

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Please quote a 'far flung' assertion of mine and let's see, LOL.
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"And you still haven't told me how many sky gods out of mythology you don't believe in."

So now this implies that you have told me. So remind me: how many sky gods out of mythology is it that don't you believe in?

What non-insulting comments have you typed?

Since you claim not be insulted and not to speak on behalf on anyone else, then this rhetorical question would be best asked of yourself, lol.

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you have an inferiority complex
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And now you're a psychologist? Made a career change from theologian?

One doesn't need special training to know what an inferiority complex is: a lack of self-worth, a doubt and uncertainty, and feelings of not measuring up to standards. It is often subconscious, and is thought to drive afflicted individuals to overcompensate. In your case, it is arguable this is manifested by constant aggression, a psychological need to defend religion against all-comers even when not asked to, right down to the invention of my words to reflect yourself in the worst possible light in order to cry foul.

"But condescension is not flattering. Please try and avoid it." - FilmFlaneur

Good advice.

Indeed.

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With your perennial thin skin I think this is inevitable in regards to practically everyone lol
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'outright hostility evinced by militant atheist & muppet'

You seem a little thin skinned.

You will know if you ever really irk me, my friend. And since I did not say the above, then this is the first straw man of your current message.

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UFOs & etc
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How did UFO's end up in this discussion?

You dragged in the belief in UFOs back in the day, in connection with recommending your overall credulity of youtube and cable TV. Do you not remember your own arguments? Perhaps UFOs are signs from God? Some abductees, after all, seem to confuse angels with aliens or bible lore generally lol EG:

http://www.sherryshriner.com/sherry/who-is-what.htm

and the explicit claim that

“Aliens” are indeed angels

http://www.alienresistance.org/ufos-the-bible/comparison-of-angels-and-aliens/

Makes sense when you think about it, huh?

Because I wasn't aware of your favorite paranormal case?

I chose one or two of the most famous cases and personalities to see if you had looked at the topic to be at least aware of them. Turned out that you weren't. Not a real test of anything firm, sure - but significant if you are claiming some insights gained through supposed knowledge the subject. It would be like speaking to someone basing their world view on their idea of military history but who had apparently never heard of Waterloo. And you haven't told me why ghosts and ghoulies etc are necessarily evidence for a god.

I can think of a haunting in your own home city you knew nothing about.

If you refer to the Enfield Haunting, when this came up I told you that I had Playfair's book on my shelves and held a view about the case based on my other reading. So you are wrong. What I in fact told you was that I have not yet viewed the film. See the difference?

Incidentally for a healthy dose of scepticism in regards to this well-known case one is directed here:

http://www.csicop.org/si/show/enfield_poltergeist

If such a thing really is among kurt's 'evidence for God' then he has a way to go to make it convincing.

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You're a militant atheist, so don't hide behind those people.

As will be the case each time from now on, you are directed to the earlier definition of this term for why it is not applicable and being used as a swearword. But still I forgive you.

You accept no evidence because you consider the paranormal to be a vast conspiracy to hoax.

Basing a reasonable view on a balance of evidence (or lack of) is not the same as rejecting evidence. The conspiracy theorizing I will leave to you.

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you here denying that there are plenty of 'mythical sky gods'
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You did it again. And then claim you don't insult. lol

So, in order not to 'insult' should I best say that you think that there are plenty of sky gods which are not mythical? How many? If you say "just one" then that still leaves all the others: Amon Ra for instance. Do you believe in him too? One also notes that I put 'mythical sky gods' in inverted commas - commonly used in indicating dubiousness of a term - and not least since it was a pejorative term first introduced by you !

Did you want me to take a marker and cross out all references to hell in the Bible?

No, I merely observe that taking the Bible literally (or as inerrant) is one characteristic of fundamentalism. Perhaps you think it is not?

If you don't believe in hell - out of sight, out of mind. Why are you worried then?

I am not worried. Such arcane and esoteric notions are interesting though. For instance, do you consider this hell of yours is forever? Some Xians do not. Does it have physical fires of torment or is one's deprival of God pain enough? Can a doomed soul having left its body even feel physical pain? How many demons can one stand on the head of a pin? And so on. I am sure you would have thought these things over carefully.

I love it being your 'signature' lol

classic.

You are always worth going the extra mile for, especially since you give so much back. And your schoolboy insults are so choice that they bear repeating.

My New Year's resolution is to be more positive and less sarcastic...Like I won't screw that up right away. - FilmFlaneur

Since I did not say this then it is a second strawman from you.

I'm well aware that railing does no good ... You're a filthy militant atheist, muppet kurt2000

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

You're a militant atheist, so don't hide behind those people.

So when I pointed out that Lena is a fundamentalist you made a point of stating that it's for her to define herself, but when it comes to atheists you're all too eager to do the defining on their behalf, even after it's been explained how your definition of "militant atheist" doesn't apply? Interesting yet unsurprising tact by you there kurt.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Stop whining.

"But condescension is not flattering. Please try and avoid it." - FilmFlaneur

[–] CosmopolitanHobo 8 years ago

Translated:

La la la can't hear you and I don't want to respond to a valid point that highlights my hypocrisy, hatred for atheists and prejudiced ability to view non-Christians as a lesser form of being who don't deserve to be treated to the same standard as Christians.

Indeed.

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Talking to yourself and responding to your own talking points is weird.

"But condescension is not flattering. Please try and avoid it." - FilmFlaneur

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

It is odd that you would say that since it is exactly the sort thing that Jesus-as-God does at points in the NT...

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Jesus-as-God

Jesus became one with his father after he was murdered.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

Other opinions are, as one might expect, available.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Are you claiming that Jesus didn't refer to God as his father before the Roman murdered him?

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

Er no, I am just claiming that Jesus never referred to Himself as God. It was an idea which first gained credence in the last Gospel, that of John. There are reasons to question the idea. For one thing, as others have noted, in the OT God made it clear that He was God. He said it over and over again in so many different ways: "I am God." What happened when he was in Son form? He got shy all of a sudden? Wanted to be vague and mysterious? Or perhaps he thought that if he outright said it like before, he would be crucified faster than he had planned? Because it seems that if Jesus was God and he wanted everyone to know it, he would have just come right out and said it like he did in the OT: "I am God."

One can think about this when reading exactly how He sits at His own right hand, didn't know something He knew, and asked Himself why he forsook Himself, & etc.

As I said, other opinions are always available with the exegesis possible from so much of scripture. Ultimately it is your faith not mine, and naturally take the doctrinal wrinkles just as you like. And good luck to you with some of them.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

I am just claiming that Jesus never referred to Himself as God.

Thank you. Then tell your misguided atheist buddies to zip it on this issue.

[–] FilmFlaneur 8 years ago

I am not aware of any atheists who would claim JC referred to himself explicitly as God. And my original point, which was referring to the absurdity of Jesus-as-God speaking to 'himself' outloud (assuming the messiah was not hallucinating or mad of course) remains.

I'm well aware that railing does no good kurt2000

[–] kurt-2000 8 years ago

Very funny

[–] chris-206-810097 8 years ago

I don't really have a story, I just watched the film and came on here to see what people thought about it.

I believe Jesus did exist, another question is did he perform everything that the bible says, this is the bit I have trouble with. the way I look at it is how accurate are the stories that were wrote about 300 years after the events took place.

Take for example, King Arthur, did he exist? it seems he did, but the accepted story of Arthur and the knights of the round table is quite a recent story(900 years) by Geoffrey of Monmouth and very different to the original version.

I'm not trying to debate if God exists, that's up to each individual to decide if God exists to them, I'm just looking at the question in the movie, did Jesus exist, or do we question every historical figure?

Who will it be next? people will be saying Sherlock Holmes didn't exist next?