The Babadook


Is 'Lights Out' similar to 'The Babadook'? I haven't seen any of them but by reading the plots and "spoiling" myself seems like 'Lights Out' is a rip-off.

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The Babadook was scarier and with better actors, Lights Out seemed like it was made for TV.

The Babadook 8/10
Lights Out 5/10

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I'm sorry but did you actually watch these films? Because the one criticism you gave of "Lights Out" was on something that undeniably was better in that particular film.

All of the actors (and I mean ALL of them) did a far superior job to the massive overacting by Essie Davis and the insufferable shoutfest that was Noah Wiseman in "The Babadook".

"Lights Out" can be criticized on many aspects, the acting and production values are not two of them. Especially not when compared to "The Babadook".

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Haven't seen Lights Out yet, you make a valid point on The Babadook though.
Overacting galore and def. overhyped.

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Babadook scarier ? lol NO

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The Babadook was scarier and with better actors, Lights Out seemed like it was made for TV.

The Babadook 8/10
Lights Out 5/10


Accurate af.

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The boy actor in The Babadook was the most annoying actor I have ever seen.

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I agree. The boy in the Babbadook was so annoying I kept turning it off due to his hysterics and over acting. It was very hard to care about such a character, regardless of his age. I felt little sympathy for the mother, especially when she refused to believe her kid had severe behavioural issues, even when people all around her tried to tell her. Scary? In no way, other than the fore mentioned overacting.

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I did think of "The Babadook" as I was watching it. They're are similarities - mother dealing with depression, her son suffering from her inability to care for herself or him - but "Lights Out" is a straight-forward horror movie and the mom is really only a supporting character. In my mind "The Babadook" was more an allegory about how powerful grief and depression can be and the 'monster' wasn't literal.

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They both underline grief and its effects on people, but that's where the similarities end. Lights Out plays out as a standard "boo" horror movie. It's a pretty good one, for what it is, but it feels pretty routine compared to The Babadook. The former is meant to be a straightforward story, taken literally, whereas I don't think it makes sense to view The Babadook as anything but a metaphor for grief . . especially given the ending.

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Lights out is far better for jumpscares. That's what audiences look for from good horror movies.
Babadook = 6
Lights Out = 8

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jumpscares. That's what audiences look for from good horror movies.


Maybe audiences of the lowest common denominator, certainly not those of us who are in it to actually be entertained.

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be entertained from horror without jumpscares? seems you like to make love without orgasm ha.ha.ha.

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There is a thing called atmospheric tension, as I previously stated, only the lowest common denominator and maybe those under 14 are pleased by a horror film filled with only jump scares. It's a cheap tactic that's predominately used in horror films lacking in every other department and are usually very predictable by anyone with eyes.

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atmospheric tension is not everything in horror movies. Babadook creates its own scary moments by atmospheric tension, that's fine. Lights out has its own. If you value atmospheric tension more than jumpscares, it's your personal opinion but it does not mean Babadook must be regarded higher by other audiences.
So you "think" you are the highest common denominator? ha.ha.ha. be careful, you may be extinct soon.

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So you "think" you are the highest common denominator?


Did I say or imply that? No

Babadook must be regarded higher by other audiences.


Did I say or imply that in any form? No. It's just my opinion and I have no problem with those who disagree with it, but I don't appreciate people putting words in my mouth for use in starting petty arguments.

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Did I say or imply that? No

Remember you said this:
only the lowest common denominator and maybe those under 14 are pleased by a horror film filled with only jump scares.

Didn't you imply otherwise? THINK before you SAID.

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Oh for f'k's sake. When someone makes a statement about something there isn't a need to make a counter statement to imply otherwise. When I say the lowest common denominator and those under 14 the only thing implied in that is that I do not consider myself in that particular group, there is no need for me to further state exactly where on the pie chart I feel that I fall inside of, frankly I couldn't even say as I've never gave it much thought and it would awfully pretentious of someone to think themselves above all else for any reason whatsoever. You know, I have no problem elaborating or discussing anything about film, but you seem to enjoy these shallow pissing contests so unless you have something new to offer please do bug off after reading the following.

Horror films, lots of PG-13(R a little, but not so much) employ the use of jump scares, using an extremely loud noise or something. When I sit and watch those films I literally sit and countdown 3,2,1=jump scare and I'm dead on 99% of the time, that IMO isn't scary it's lame, at best it's startling, but I wouldn't call it scary. Look at The Conjuring 2 now that was a proper horror film with a great story that pulls you in and makes you feel scared/uneasy during the whole thing practically by using great writing, acting and effects. The pace and atmosphere give that feeling of dread and that to me is what makes great horror flicks. A jumpscare should be used at a minimum only to complement the rest of the film.

Your statement about a horror film without jumpscares is like sex without an orgasm is extremely off base and you would be extremely hard pressed to find 5 true genre fans at best out of 100 polled that might agree with you. I've no idea where you got that notion from, but the general consensus is that people hate jumpscares, except for a miniscule
amount of people, yourself included. Just go to the horror forum here and start a poll about it and you'll find yourself alone on an island talking to a soccer ball.

There you have my full opinion on the matter, feel free to twist my words around and delude yourself into somehow believing I'm the enemy, but seriously, I just have different opinions and preferences than you do, which should be no big deal.
I would love for you to start a thread on the horror forum regarding this and make a poll, that would be awesome, if you truly believe what you're saying than you shouldn't have a problem doing it. If you do please do let me know as I would have serious interest in the results, but I'm 99.9% sure that you won't. 

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1. you seem spend a lot of time to reply my last statement. Thank you. I hope you still have enough time to watch movies. 😀 Sorry, I am not interested to reply too long.

2. I did not twist your words. I just read your responses and my replies were based on them.

3. My statement "a horror film without jumpscares is like sex without orgasm" is an analogy. I bet you know that.

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This is one of the funniest arguments I've come across in a while and I feel compelled to put in my two cents, from a woman's perspective...
First I must comment on the comparison of jump scares to sex; a horror film w/o them is like sex w/o an orgasm? That sounds like something that would come from a guy who is alright with getting only himself off, not caring much about his partner who most likely needs some foreplay to build up the tension, which is half of the fun, to reach climax. Sex without that is simply one-sided, boring and ultimately has no payoff for 50% of the players involved. That's fine for those who are in their early years of sexual activity, but soon enough will realize there's so much more to enjoy and will seek a partner who can fulfill this need. I suppose only a developed/mature genre fan will understand this comparison and the juvenile will excuse it away... ;)
As for The Babadook, I thoroughly enjoyed this movie, especially how it made use of psychological "monsters" and a monster that manifested in physical form. The created atmosphere and tension was stellar, imho.
I used to love horror films that produced scares by using gore, jump scares and other physical elements, but as I matured and realized there was more to make the genre even better, I get no satisfaction from the aforementioned tricks. Sure, if I'm in the mood for an easily-digested, don't-have-to-put-much-thought-into-it kind of movie, these are great. But of I need an adult-type of scare, I'm going with one that builds thick tension and has palpable atmosphere, because THAT'S what satisfies me most, not juvenile jump scares.

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@ I_am_retard. Jumpscares have to be earned with solid atmosphere helping to build up the moment. Practically all of The Exorcist is atmosphere, and it's widely regarded the scariest horror ever made. Thrillz Killz is right. And claiming he meant he was the highest common denominator makes me think you're religious. Arguing with you guys is a lesson in futility. Zero nuance. "It's either this or that...nothing in between!"

Started shaving yet?

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@TheC.untDracula. Welcome.

I said I like the jumpscares in horror movies. You say jumpscares are earned from solid atmosphere, no problem with your statement.

There is a thing called atmospheric tension, as I previously stated, only the lowest common denominator and maybe those under 14 are pleased by a horror film filled with only jump scares.


The problem is the above-mentioned statement.

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The statement is accurate. A horror-film devoid of tension and only having jump-scares is a poor excuse for a horror. Take a look at what any film critic says about those types of film. There are occasionally exceptions to that rule, however generally speaking they're sh!t.

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Wassup Drac my 🌚, as you see, regardless of explanation, I_am_retard(good one dude,lol) cannot process any actual thought out intellectual responses. No matter how hard one tries he refuses to recognize he's riding the shortbus.

As for the jumpscares, I agree they can be effective when used in conjunction with several other effective horror staples and when done at the correct time they can actually have good payoff, but to believe that the only way to make a successful horror flick is to fill it jumpscares is the most asinine thing I've ever heard. That fool can't even process more than a two sentences at a time. Hit him with logic and he defaults back to the same pathetic strawman argument, apparently he's having a very hard time coming to grips with the fact that I believe him to be the lowest common denominator as the dude keeps repeating it over and over. Only solidifying it more and more as he attempts to "communicate"(at least I think that's what he's doin)

Must be seriously insecure to gaf what a random anonymous IMDb user's opinion of him is, maybe mommy didn't love him enough or some sh!t, idk and don't wanna. Dude is a horsefly and needs swatting.

Peace be with you my 🌚

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Us New Moon Faces must stick together! lol

⚫"That fückin' Flowers." - Lucas Davenport⚫

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#New Moon Lives Matter

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#New Moon Lives Matter


 Classic, ❄ !!!

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long explanation again for this petty discussion 😂😂 don't sit too long. save your b*tt. Go get orgasm while you still can. 😊

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I agree with Thrill_KillZ...atmospheric tension is everything for a good horror movie and a script which isnt retarded and atleast some decent actors but jumpscares never make a good horror movie...jumpscares are for retarded little children with a brain of a 5 year old...cause jump scares are cheap and only bad directors need to use cheap jumpscares to scare small retarded kids...us grown ups want some good well made atmospheric tension to like a horror movie...


~If the realistic details fails, the movie fails~

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I agree with Thrill_KillZ...atmospheric tension is everything for a good horror movie and a script which isnt retarded and atleast some decent actors but jumpscares never make a good horror movie...jumpscares are for retarded little children with a brain of a 5 year old...cause jump scares are cheap and only bad directors need to use cheap jumpscares to scare small retarded kids...us grown ups want some good well made atmospheric tension to like a horror movie...

~If the realistic details fails, the movie fails~

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How old are you? Serious question.

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I saw both films but I was more scared with Lights Out though the BABADOOK is a good scary movie as well, I suggest you watch both then make a comparison.

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good luck!

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I thought 'Darkness Falls' when I saw the trailer regarding the whole 'it doesn't like the light' thing.

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Darkness Falls. Now that is a great movie!

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Darkness Falls. Now that is a great movie!


No, it certainly wasn't lol.

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The Babadook is a film about mental illness masquerading as a horror film.

Lights Out is a horror film masquerading as a film about mental illness.

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Very simple statement. And completely accurate.

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Ha ha very well put! I totally agree and I do think the Babadook has more artistic merit & originality. I did enjoy "Lights out"too though.

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Having seen both fims, I wouldn't call it a rip-off, it's different enough.

Comparing the two films is like comparing an Andrew LLoyd Webber musical to a Wagner opera, The Babadook is so much more sophisticated in terms of plot and character design. I guess you could call Lights Out the moron's version of The Babadook, because a lot of the subtlety will go over the head of the jump-scare aficionado anyway.

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