Cant beleive you are debating the Holocaust.
Very sad and pathetic people need to debate the low point in humananity. Makes us sink closer to that time.
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The debate is not about the entire holocaust. Everyone agrees Jews and other people classed as undesirables were rounded up and put in camps. We have been told for years six of these camps (e.g. Treblinka) had extermination facilities, i.e., homicidal gas chambers.
However, revisionists say there was no extermination policy in Nazi Germany and therefore no homicidal gas chambers in these camps. If you think that's crazy or low or stupid (or whatever word you want to use) then give me the name of one person to die in a homicidal gas chamber. When you fail to give me a name, ask yourself why...
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand that makes everything all honky dorey? What fcking world do you live in where you're DEFENDING the actions of these people? You're admitting the atrocities of these places. Millions of innocent people died. EVEN IF your delusional theory that nobody was ever gassed was true... SO WHAT? Does the fashion of which these millions of INNOCENT poeople were MURDERED make any difference whatsoever?
Btw... How can you prove the existence of someone whose existence has, literally been, burnt to ashes?
Logic doesn't apply to "you people".
Did I ever say it was honky dory? Have I ever said the camps were fantastic places? Have I ever excused putting people in camps?
The answer to all three is no. That doesn't change the fact that there was no extermination policy.
Millions of innocent people died. EVEN IF your delusional theory that nobody was ever gassed was true... SO WHAT? Does the fashion of which these millions of INNOCENT poeople [sic] were MURDERED make any difference whatsoever?
You don't seem to get it. There is NO proof that these millions of people died. Zero. No names, no documents, no remains, no nothing. Not one single gassing has ever been proven to have taken place. And the fashion WOULD matter if you wanted historical accuracy, but the current evidence states millions were not murdered in any fashion. Extermination has never been proven. Look into it for yourself. The "evidence" couldn't be any thinner.
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Just like how you put words in my mouth? That was the point you moron lol obviously you didn't say that. But I never claimed the Allies didn't kill anyone. That was the whole point of me saying that, but it clearly went right over your head.
Oh, and wait theres no documentation or evidence that millions of people who vanished into thin air were murdered? Huh, it's almost like ALL the evidence was burnt to ashes or something... weird...
I'll say it again... Logic CLEARLY doesn't apply to people like you.
Oh, and wait theres no documentation or evidence that millions of people who vanished into thin air were murdered?
Actually, there's plenty of it. But deniers intentionally play stupid word games about what constitutes evidence -- something they unilaterally take onto themselves the right to decide. share
Actually, there's plenty of it. But deniers intentionally play stupid word games about what constitutes evidence -- something they unilaterally take onto themselves the right to decide.
Plenty of evidence? Hit me with it. This should be hilarious... share
Just about everything that has ever been published about the Holocaust...
And your evidence is....? Hit me with it. This should be hilarious like everything else from the denier retards....
Ask him for direct documentation for where all the not-dead-after-all Jews were in 1946. Demand a complete catalog. Pound the table. Insist that no other form of evidence will do except first-person letters saying "I'm faking being dead." And if he can't do that ... well, it's not like it's his first faceplant into failure.
shareJust about everything that has ever been published about the Holocaust...
Pathetic response. You can't even point to anything specific, can you?
Until 1993, Deborah Lipstadt claimed four million were murdered at Auschwitz - was that true?
She also claimed 1.7 million were murdered at Majdanek (today's figure is less than 100,000) - was that true?
Elie Wiesel said Jews were burned alive in mass pits - was that true?
He also said 10,000 people were exterminated in Buchenwald every day - was that true?
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Huh, it's almost like ALL the evidence was burnt to ashes or something... weird...
Millions upon millions of German documents were seized after the war. Not one mentioned anything relating to extermination. When the Allies cracked the Enigma Code, they decoded messages coming to and from the labour camps. Not one mention of anything relating to extermination.
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And yet, they still "exterminated" millions of innocent people for no reason.
Weird...
And yet, they still "exterminated" millions of innocent people for no reason
Can you name one of these people? Can you prove one single case?
I didn't think so... share
Ignored for being stupid!
I have a very low tolerance for stupid so if I ignore you it's nothing personal.
Awwwww, same sad pathetic argument that even you know proves absolutely nothing about anything...
Name all those 200,00 - 300,000 people that were not murdered but gassed because they were only sick? Can you name these people? Name just one?
See how pathetic your question is. It's a cheap parlor trick to try to win over the dumb crowd, because those are the only people dumb enough to think those are logical points.
Name all those 200,00 - 300,000 people that were not murdered but gassed because they were only sick? Can you name these people? Name just one?
God, it shows how little you have researched this. No one was gassed. But people died from illness and disease. Names of these people are easily obtainable.
I'm feeling generous so I'll name four:
Samuel Mandel died from influenza on the 26th of March 1942;
Tibor Pollak died from heart failure on the 26th of July 1942;
Albert Janos died from sepsis on the 10th of August 1942;
Tadeusz Jaworski died from typhus on the 22nd of August 1942.
You can look thousands more up if you wish.
Now... it's your turn to give me the name of one person who died in a homicidal gas chamber. share
LOL again, utterly missing the point. Satire is something you must have never heard of before. You can't prove the existence of someone whose existence was erased. Is that really too difficult of a concept for your little hateful brain?
And how does that prove anything? We already know people died from disease there. How does that disprove that millions of innocent people were murdered? Oh, it doesn't.
I'd say nice try, but it wasn't... I'm sure you'll keep trying though.
We already know people died from disease there.
This is another bit of Holocaust denial forkwittery. If you die from starvation or a disease that you wouldn't have caught had the racist policies of the Nazis not forced you into to live and starve in a filthy camp in the first place, then you have been murdered by the Nazi racist policy. The cause of death is not the microbe or the louse, but the racist Nazi policy that yanked you from a place where you were perfectly fine and healthy and stuck you in a hellhole of a camp.
Somehow deniers think it's okay to admit those Jews who die of disease actually died of disease, as if the Nazi policy of mass Jewish incarceration in *intentionally* unlivable conditions were suddenly magically irrelevant. It's irrational. But then, what do you call a rational Holocaust denier? A former Holocaust denier. share
How does that disprove that millions of innocent people were murdered?
It has never been proven millions of people were murdered, Mikey. It has never been proven that even one single person was systematically exterminated.
Six million alleged cases and you can't name one of them? You expect me and anyone else with an ounce of critical thought to accept that? Get out of here with your nonsense. You have no understanding of evidence requirements.
The alleged holocaust commenced in the early 1940s. It's not as if it was 2,000 years ago. The evidence should be plentiful, but they have never been able to prove one single person was systematically exterminated. share
LMAO and YOU have no understanding of what facts are apparently. I never professed to know the names of people who died in the Holocaust. And yet still, none of that proves a single thing for you. You still pretend to not understand, or that you aren't reading, the notion that you can't prove the existence of someone whose existence was erased. That REALLY must be too hard for you to understand.
Can't wait to read your book.... When is it coming out again?
YOU have no understanding of what facts are apparently
Enlighten me, Mikey. What are these facts?
Post one of the "facts" that say Nazi Germany had an extermination policy... share
Millions of innocent people died at the hands of the Nazi's. That should be the only fact that matters.
What could possibly me your motive for questioning that? I'll take a WILD guess...
Millions of innocent people died at the hands of the Nazi's. That should be the only fact that matters.
You don't understand the meaning of the word "fact". You say millions were murdered, but you can't even prove one single case.
That's not a fact.
What other "facts" have you got to show there was an extermination policy? share
Great job ignoring Zorts post btw...
Your logic: the Nazi's never murdered anyone. They just rounded up millions of people, threw them into the worst conditions imaginable to humans, tortured them, worked them to death, and got thousands upon thousands sick... But how dare you claim they murdered anyone! They would never do that!
Such pathetic humans.
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How does Loveunderlaw come across dumb for showing you do nothing but obsessively post about one movie? You come across like a maniac, Zort.
walnuts has been here since Sep 2016 and has posted only on the Denial board. They are obviously antisemitic and probably a neo-nazi. Definitely going on my ignore list.
I have a very low tolerance for stupid so if I ignore you it's nothing personal. share
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand that makes everything all honky dorey? What fcking world do you live in where you're DEFENDING the actions of these people? You're admitting the atrocities of these places. Millions of innocent people died. EVEN IF your delusional theory that nobody was ever gassed was true... SO WHAT?
So historical truth means *beep* to you? share
Lmao wow, that's what you got from that... shows how delusional you are. I do care about historical accuracy, which is why I'm laughing at how pathetically dumb you people are for being so insanely wrong.
My point was why does it matter HOW these millions of innocent people were murdered. (Even though we do know how)
Historical accuracy clearly means nothing to you people, you'd rather nitpick irrelevant points that prove nothing in your favor.
Historical accuracy clearly means nothing to you people, you'd rather nitpick irrelevant points that prove nothing in your favor.
BAHAHAHAHAH! Historical accuracy? Accuracy?
You can't even name one of the alleged victims for Christ's sake. Not exactly accurate is it?
My point was why does it matter HOW these millions of innocent people were murdered
Our point is there is zero proof anyone was exterminated. If you have proof please provide it. But you won't because you have zilch. share
Hahahahahahahahahaha do I really need to point to, ummm... EVERY BOOK EVER WRITTEN ON THE SUBJECT
I don't need to prove anything to you that every single person who went to elementary school learned.
do I really need to point to, ummm... EVERY BOOK EVER WRITTEN ON THE SUBJECT
Very few of those books even dare to name any victims. And the ones that do have no supporting sources or evidence to support their claims.
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And yet they were still written and published... and every single historian in the world takes them as fact.
Keep ignoring the notion that you can't prove the existence of someone whose existence was erased. Simple logic that you keep ignoring because it doesn't suit your pathetic anti-Semitic rhetoric.
I'd say you were almost there! But I'd be lying... you aren't even close. What's next, "no holes no Holocaust!"?
And where's your book? I keep reading you claim all these "facts"(based off YooToob videos nonetheless).. go ahead, reference your book with all your sources? I wouldn't mind reading a good fiction...
they were still written and published
So everything published in a book is true? That's fantastic logic, Mikey. Your degree of critical thought is second to none. So you are saying incorrect information has never been published before? I can give you books that say Buchenwald had a gas chamber. Was that true? By your logic it must be.
Keep ignoring the notion that you can't prove the existence of someone whose existence was erased.
OK, so if someone's existence has been erased, we can't know they ever existed in the first place. So how can you put a total number on the amount of "erased" people if you can't prove they ever existed in the first place? How do you count "erased" people, Mikey?
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Lmao oh sure, there be been plenty of false information written... most of it by people you're following LOL. But I digress...
Sure there's misinformation out there... but when EVERY BOOK EVER WRITTEN on the subject (and it's not like there's only 4 books written on the subject) all come to the same conclusion? And not a single book has ever been written disproving it? Well... it can probably be taken for a fact then! And by probably, I mean definitely.
when EVERY BOOK EVER WRITTEN on the subject (and it's not like there's only 4 books written on the subject) all come to the same conclusion?
It was once universally accepted that the earth was flat. That didn't hold up to scrutiny, did it? It was once universally accepted Dachau and Buchenwald had homicidal gas chambers. That didn't hold up to scrutiny, did it? It was once universally accepted Jews were turned into lampshades and soap. That didn't hold up to scrutiny, did it?
See where I'm going?
Now let's get back to the "erased" people you love to talk about. Don't think I didn't notice you dodging my question. I'll ask it again:
OK, so if someone's existence has been erased, we can't know they ever existed in the first place. So how can anyone put a total number on the amount of "erased" people if you can't prove they ever existed in the first place? How do you tally up "erased" people, Mikey?
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So if I murdered someone and got rid of ALL the evidence including the body so that no one could ever prove I murdered someone... YOU'RE saying that because it can't be proven, it didn't happen. Do you finally see why your logic is pathetic.
Since I know you like to take me extremely literally, don't mistake me for actually saying I murdered someone, or that I'm saying there's no proof that those people existed.
So if I murdered someone and got rid of ALL the evidence including the body so that no one could ever prove I murdered someone... YOU'RE saying that because it can't be proven, it didn't happen.
There is a difference between murdering someone and "erasing their existence" you idiot. This "someone" would have a name; their birth would have been registered; they would have been to school and/or worked, owned or rented property etc. You can't just "erase" someone by murdering them and successfully concealing the body.
By your logic, every missing person who has never been found "never existed" because there is no body.
Did Jimmy Hoffa never exist?
Did Madeline McCann never exist?
Did Tara Calico never exist?
Your logic is retarded. share
Wow, you can't even come up with your own insults. "Retarded logic" yeah, I've only said that to you 100 times already... but being unoriginal (and retarded) is obviously nothing new to you.
But yet again completely missing the ENTIRE point. I never claimed that this scenario took place in modern day, so again just making false assumptions like usual. 80 years ago, information like that could have been EASILY destroyed. But that doesn't fit with your pathetic narrative, so you'll just ignore that simple logic.
"Wow, you can't even come up with your own insults."
I just spat my coffee out.
That's rich co
No more dead Lannisters
No More dead Trolls
I never claimed that this scenario took place in modern day, so again just making false assumptions like usual. 80 years ago, information like that could have been EASILY destroyed.
You really are an idiot. You claim the Germans somehow managed to destroy all information relating to their alleged victims - every trace of their existence. Then how in the name of Christ were historians able to tally up the people if there is no evidence they ever existed?
Think carefully about this, you idiot. How can historians come up with death totals when those (allegedly) exterminated have been completely erased? What data are they using when all the data has been (allegedly) destroyed?
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They're using data and evidence that every historian in the history of the Holocaust has deemed enough to consider it fact. It really is the simplest of concepts to understand. These historians, who are obviously all smarter than you, have all agreed on the same conclusion. How hard could that possibly be to understand. I guess for someone like you, it might be impossible to understand because then you'd have to admit your reason for being so blindly retarded.
And as you continuously copy my insults... there's only one moron here. To to give you a hint... it's you.
They're using data and evidence that every historian in the history of the Holocaust has deemed enough to consider it fact.
LOL, what a ridiculous answer! You're going to have to be more specific than that, Mikey boy.
WHAT type of data and evidence were they using? Simply saying "data" and "evidence" isn't enough. I asked you "what data" they were using for these "erased people" and you still haven't answered me. Be more specific.
So either tell me what TYPE of "data" and "evidence" they were using to count up these "erased people" or admit you don't know. share
LOL, no, I don't have to be more specific.
YOU'RE THE ONE WHO HAS TO DISPROVE THE FACTS... Just because you obviously have never researched the subject, doesn't mean that I have to teach it to you. Do the tiniest bit of research yourself. But you won't, because then you'll have to admit what a lying POS you are.
Why do I, or anyone else for that matter, have to disprove your obviously false claims that you have yet to even remotely prove.
You continue to pretend that anyone other than yourself, is the one that has to prove what they're saying. And that couldn't be further from the truth.
And yeah the millions of remains are "ONLY from sick people"... how convenient for your entire argument lol. When you stop being a hateful POS, you might finally get it.
shareAs you keep ignoring this point.
Like I said, it's extremely convenient for your argument that all the human remains that can't can't be counted or identified, are specifically ONLY the people who were sick. While that's obviously the most blatant lie of all time, you use it constantly as if it's "proof" of anything, and have yet to even come close to proving such a retarded notion.
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60 million people died in WW2 and yet all we seem to hear about are the jewish victims over and over again. How many more films do we need to have about the jewish plight? It is way over the top and it is all the reason for this holocaust lie to begin with. To create the victim narrative for teh jews to garner up sympathy and to prevent any negative attitudes towards them. These days they have made it illegal to have any negative attitudes towards jews. This is a very powerful totalitarianism concept and very anti-free speech.
Do you think people should have the right to discuss and investigate events that occur in the past and present?
You have to expect on a film about holocaust denial that people will come to discuss the merits of holocaust denial. Don't act surprised, you know there are millions of people, thanks to the internet, that have come across new information that has convinced them of the truth events of the holocaust and in fact the jews are the real deniers of the truth regarding ww2.
The Jews don't only deny Jesus Christ, they also deny the truth about WW1 and WW2.
60 million people died in WW2.
But they didn't all die the same way, and they didn't all die for the same reason. The six million Jews that the Nazis murdered weren't a strategic threat to them in any way. They murdered Jews because it made the racist Nazis feel good. Luckily, they have cave squeakers like you to defend them. share
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
The Germans died in arguably far worse ways. Civilians being repeatedly carpet bombed in cities or farmers children being machine gunned down from planes in the country side. Russians raping and murdering women and children while invading their lands. Germans being round up and left to starve to death in caged off areas after the war... Watch Hellstorm documentary on youtube to hear about true atrocities during ww2.
The causalities of ww2 should not be looked as some sort of competition. Each death is equal in its worthy of remembrance. Whether in a factory in the UK or a working camp in Poland or Germany. Each person should be remembered equally.
To try and claim that one group of people was specifically worse off and thus should be remember more than others is narcissistic.
The Jews were pushed out of Germany and Poland not for arbitrary hateful reasons but because of Jewish activity in Russia and Spain. Read the book The Myth of German Villainy.
"To try and claim that one group of people was specifically worse off and thus should be remember more than others is narcissistic."
The only person you can quote doing that, is you. Which in turn, renders your entire post pointless.
"The Germans died in arguably far worse ways."
Most obvious hypocrite of all time. Congratulations.
"To try and claim that one group of people was specifically worse off and thus should be remember more than others is narcissistic."
The only person you can quote doing that, is you. Which in turn, renders your entire post pointless.
Yeah. "You Jews think you're so special because you say" ... followed by something no Jew either of us have encountered actually says, publicly or privately. share