Disappointing


I really wanted to like this. Having been born in NYC in 1977, I've always been fascinated with movies and documentaries that portray the era.

There are some redeemable qualities of the show: the music, of course, as well as Jimmy Smits' and Shameik Moore's performances. However, Luhrmman really drops the ball when it comes to overstylizing the show. Anyone who lived in late 70s/early 80s NYC will attest to the fact that most of the city was a crime-ridden wasteland. Luhrmann tries, unsuccessfully, to capture this but the tone is simply not gritty enough; there's no real "edge" to the show. The Warriors, in all it's campy glory, gives a far better snapshot of the grittiness of the time, both through tone and through cinematography. The Get Down is campy at times, but in a bad way. For example, I'm baffled by Shaolin Fantastic's bizarrely and randomly choreographed Kung Fu flourishes. Perhaps I'm missing something here - it seems much more like a nod to Wu Tang Clan - but they didn't really arrive on the scene for about another decade and a half, and in a totally different borough, Grasshopper.

Additionally, I think that Luhrmann (or perhaps the scriptwriters) insert the cultural, political, and social happenings of the time as purely incidental. Yes, there was a mention or two of Star Wars, which debuted in May of '77, and an episode was sort of framed around the Great Blackout of July 1977. However, there were a number of misleading scenes: for example, the riots and looting that took part largely in Bushwick, Brooklyn. Yes, there was looting beyond those perimeters, but Bushwick was literally burned to the ground. During another scene we see two characters playing an Atari 2600, which wasn't released until September 11, 1977. Music that was not released in 1977 is utilized during some scenes.

Part of the problem likely has to do with the fact that Luhrmann is so culturally disconnected from the subject matter. He was a 14 year old boy living in Australia at the time; he can't properly recreate the pressure-cooker atmosphere that was happening in late 70s NYC because he didn't experience it, and likely doesn't really know anyone who did either. Mad Men did an amazing job of incorporating cultural milestones to frame the narrative of the show. Similarly, The Wackness perfectly encapsulates what it felt like growing up in the city in the summer of 1994. When I watch movies like Dazed and Confused and Stand By Me or the TV shows Freaks and Geeks and The Wonder Years, I feel like I'm transported to those periods of time in small town America. Unfortunately, The Get Down isn't doing it for me, and although it's flawed, Spike Lee's Summer of Sam does a better job of portraying the Summer of 77 by acknowledging touchstone events like the Son of Sam murders, the emergence of punk rock, CBGBs, the 77 Yankees, and Studio 54. All these amazing musical genres were burgeoning at the exact same time, and it's a shame that The Getdown treats most of it like it's inconsequential.

Lastly, I really have to say that Jaden Smith is total joke in this. His "character" becomes slightly more tolerable in the later episodes, but he clearly lacks the acting chops to be able to keep up with the rest of the cast. I say "character" using quotation marks since part of me seriously suspects that his ridiculous hippy-dippy new age dialogue has been lifted right out of his Twitter feed.


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The tone improves after first episode

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I respectfully disagree, as I watched all six episodes.

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Luhrman surrounded himself with plenty of people who did experience that moment time including the real Grandmaster Flash, who served as a producer. It's also not a documentary and if you have never seen a Luhrman production he can definitely go over the top on style but that's what he does. I think it works well since the focus is on the early beginnings of hip hop.

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From what I understand, both Nas and Grandmaster Flash served as producers, but the show still comes off as contrived. The insertion of the "magical realism" surrounding Grandmaster and Shaolin is over-the-top. It's like Luhrmann couldn't decide what tone the show should take, so he chose every tone and haphazardly dispersed these tones throughout.

And it's sort of irrelevant that it's not a documentary. All of the movies and TV shows that I compared it to were period pieces that were done properly.

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You say you don't want a documentary but that's exactly what you're complaining about. Luhrman knew exactly what he was aiming for. Ever see Moulin Rouge or Great Gatsby by Luhrmann? Both embellished the period it was set in. That is what Luhrman does, take it or leave it. If it's not your style that's fine.

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C'mon. I think I know what I want. You may not agree with my particular criticisms of the movie, but please don't insult my intelligence by insinuating that you know me better than I know myself.

Mad Men is not a documentary. The Wackness is not a documentary. Freaks and Geeks is not a documentary. Summer of Sam is not a documentary. They're historical fiction. They're period pieces. I think you get that point. I didn't compare this work of fiction to documentaries like NY77: Coolest Year in Hell. But hey, if Luhrmann had any interest in capturing the right tone, that documentary would not be a bad place to start. Especially considering that the violent, hopeless, dystopian atmosphere of the city is what helped to spawn hip hop in the first place. To jettison this tone is to disregard the circumstances that created rap.

And yes, I've seen Romeo + Juliet, Australia, Moulin Rouge!, and The Great Gatsby. Didn't particularly care for any of them in that I don't need to watch any of them ever again in my life. I know his style. Silly me, considering that he had Nas and Grandmaster Flash as producers, to think that he would ground this in a bit more of a reality, particularly given the subject matter. And to me, in my opinion, his failure to do so greatly reduces the program's credibility and enjoyability factors.


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Mad Men is not a documentary. The Wackness is not a documentary. Freaks and Geeks is not a documentary. Summer of Sam is not a documentary. They're historical fiction. They're period pieces. I think you get that point. I didn't compare this work of fiction to documentaries like NY77: Coolest Year in Hell. But hey, if Luhrmann had any interest in capturing the right tone, that documentary would not be a bad place to start. Especially considering that the violent, hopeless, dystopian atmosphere of the city is what helped to spawn hip hop in the first place. To jettison this tone is to disregard the circumstances that created rap.


I wasn't born when the events of the 'Get Down' took place but my uncle, a DJ from NYC who lived through those times and experienced the birth of Hip-hop approves of the show.

I'm aware that the vibe of the show is not nearly as gritty as NY was in 1977 but what works is the use of the music, the character development, and acting.

It's far from a documentary but I don't think the producers ever intended for it to be 100% accurate. It's similar to "Boardwalk Empire" in the way the story weaves fiction with historical people and events. I was never bothered by the historical inaccuracies in that show nor am I bothered by The Get Down's twists on the history of hip-hop in the South Bronx

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It's awesome that your uncle connects with the show. I'm sure, he having been immersed in the movement, must feel a serious sense of nostalgia watching a series that depicts some of the amazing events of his youth. I wonder what my brother-in-law (who is now deceased) would have thought about it, given the fact that he also had many ties to the hip hop/break dance revolution of the time.

Anyway, it seems like this show is quite polarizing, and much like Vinyl, reviews and reactions have been mixed. Again, I really wished I liked this more.


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I'm baffled by Shaolin Fantastic's bizarrely and randomly choreographed Kung Fu flourishes. Perhaps I'm missing something here - it seems much more like a nod to Wu Tang Clan - but they didn't really arrive on the scene for about another decade and a half, and in a totally different borough, Grasshopper.


Have you never watched Kung Fu movies?

The film genre made popular in the West by Bruce Lee is what is being referenced there. Bruce Lee is still pretty iconic today but was hugely popular in the 70s. Actor Wesley Snipes, who grew up in the South Bronx in the 70s, once said he used to dress in Shoalin Monk type clothes while living in the Bronx back then. So it might've been a bit odd or eccentric but give the popularity of Chinese Kung Fu movies in the 70s, it's not at all unrealistic.

Wu Tang Clan in the 90s did indeed reference those 70s Chinese films in their music but they weren't unique in terms of urban Black people paying tribute to the Kung Fu genre of film...

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Yes, I'm fairly well-versed in pop culture from 70s-present. My brother-in-law, who grew up in the Bronx in the 70s and 80s is also a big fan of the genre. I, admittedly, don't know of too many references to Kung Fu in late 70s hip hop, but I know about the popularity of the movie/television genre.

What I don't appreciate is the bizarre kitschy-ness of HOW it's incorporated into the show. For example, Grandmaster Flash constantly referring to his young protégés as "Grasshopper"; it's just so silly and campy. Shaolin prancing around the South Bronx like he's in some West Side Story meets WireFu musical adventure. Again, for me, it's about the tone; it's too scattered and Luhrmann can't figure out what exactly he wants.

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FWIW, Grandmaster Flash is an advisor/consultant on the show. While it might be weird or eccentric, I don't think he'd give the Shaolin character's Kung Fu references his blessing if he thought it was forced into the story for stylistic reasons. Given the popularity of that genre of film at the time, it seems believable. His character's admiration of Kung Fu related things doesn't seem over done and the roof jumping thing has been done before in other urban movies like "Juice".

In the early 80s, Motown founder Berry Gordy mashed up urban Hip-hop culture with the Kung Fu movie genre in the film "The Last Dragon". We're talking at least a decade before Wu Tang Clan. That they thought a film featuring mostly Black characters referencing Kung Fu movie themes could appeal to urban youth (and the movie at least became a cult-flick for me and my peers growing up in NYC) in the early 80s shows the cultural appeal of the Kung Fu movie genre back then.

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Nice reference with The Last Dragon...damn. I haven't thought about that in YEARS. The only thing I remember about the movie at this point was that Rudy Huxtable was in it. And "The Glow".

I don't mind the roof jumping...it's one of the things I actually enjoyed since it was a summer past time (and still is) in most of the boroughs. Idk what to say about Grandmaster Flash's involvement...I mean I certainly acknowledge the point that you're making, but perhaps when you're too invested in the source material, judgment suffers a bit. Obviously you're enjoying some of these aspects, as are other viewers, whereas others like me, are not. You can't satisfy everyone all the time, I guess.

Maybe this is a bizarre thing to stay, but I wonder what Tarantino might have done with a series like this. My guess is either a)brilliance or b)total rubbish. No in between.

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Obviously you're enjoying some of these aspects, as are other viewers, whereas others like me, are not. You can't satisfy everyone all the time, I guess.

Maybe this is a bizarre thing to stay, but I wonder what Tarantino might have done with a series like this. My guess is either a)brilliance or b)total rubbish. No in between.


I love the show so far but understand why it may not appeal to everyone. Most importantly I think they got the time period details close enough to appeal to Gen X'ers who lived through those times while keeping the character development and storyline interesting enough to appeal to Millennials.

As for Tarantino, if he'd produced/directed this show there would've been lots more graphic violence, more frequent uses of the N-word, and maybe even a role for Samuel Jackson. Just kidding but I'm not sure if he would be the best person to handle movie where the universe of the characters revolves around music. Tarantino seemed to make good use of music in his older films like Pulp Fiction but I don't think he's done it as well or consistently as Baz Lurhmann...

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For example, Grandmaster Flash constantly referring to his young protégés as "Grasshopper"; it's just so silly and campy. Shaolin prancing around the South Bronx like he's in some West Side Story meets WireFu musical adventure. Again, for me, it's about the tone; it's too scattered and Luhrmann can't figure out what exactly he wants.


Eh, you have just described what he wants.

You may not like West Side Story meets WireFu musical adventure, but that doesn't mean they failed, just means you don't like it.

If you want grit, never go to Baz, he's not your man.

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That may be the case. I like Wire Fu...it has its place. I like West Side Story...it has its place. I clearly don't like them together. At least not with this subject matter.

At the very least, the use of the Wire Fu is totally anachronistic, since it didn't really become popular until the late 90s/early 2000s. Damn, Baz...this man's sensibilities are a hot mess.

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It is what it is. He's never going to make something for everyone, simply not the kind of film maker he is. He will always be all over the place going as much over the top as he can, before going over that top and then some.

I understand why it can be grating and annoying, but personally I get ready before I watch anything Baz, as if I'm going on a journey and needs to be prepared.

If you approach what he does fully aware of his predilections, it doesn't catch you off guard and it's much easier to enjoy it for what it is, in all its messy glory.

I think of Baz like genre movies (slasher, science fiction, sports movies etc), they too come with their own approach from the audience and conventions indulged by the creators.

That said, I can imagine if I really wanted a gritty well adjusted take on this particular subject matter, it would have annoyed me a little too. But I never really cared much about these things, so that made it easier for me to just go along with the silly all over the place craziness.

I very much enjoyed all six episodes... but I'm not sure I'd recommend the show because of the aformentioned journey like mental preparations. If that makes sense?

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Everything you said makes perfect sense. The series is definitely not without value...but as you alluded to, it's not everyone's cup of tea. I knew going into this that it was Baz Luhrmann, and against my better judgment hoped it would be a less Baz, primarily because I was so hyped about the story line. I'll probably wind up watching the final 6 episodes of Season 1, since I'm a bit of a completist, but I'm doubtful about anything thereafter.

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and against my better judgment hoped it would be a less Baz


For some reason that actually made me chuckle.


I'm not sure how many episodes you have left, but I hope that at least you'll be able to enjoy them a little more now, knowing that it's most certainly not less Baz.

By the end I was fully invested in this gaudy stuff and I'm more than ready for another six episodes, but I do think many people will feel like you and jump ship. Fair enough.

I saw in another thread that you mentioned The Wire and other shows of that type and if that's what you expected, I do get your disappointment. The Wire and The Get Down has about as much in common as Pinocchio and The Thing.

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Finished it up already...but maybe the final 6 episodes will be less painful with this newfound insight.

Regarding The Wire, just to be clear...I wasn't expecting anything nearly that gritty. Just mentioned it when someone spoke how we've been spoiled with high-quality dramas since the advent of The Sopranos.


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Regarding The Wire, just to be clear...I wasn't expecting anything nearly that gritty. Just mentioned it when someone spoke how we've been spoiled with high-quality dramas since the advent of The Sopranos.

Ah, I see.

Best show ever btw.

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Agreed. I especially love Season 4, being that I'm now a NYC public school teacher.


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@Freedom1981


Kung fu movies were also a big influence on the early breakdancing crews, who would incorporate some of the martial arts moves and somersaults and other theatrics form the film into their dance routines. Years ago, when I'd rediscovered king-fu flicks, I was watching WAY OF THE DRAGON with Bruce Lee when one of the guys in the film dropped down and did a spin kick to ward off the bad guys. I wondered why what he did looked so much like a breakdancing move, then did some research on that----that's where the Rock Steady Crew admitted to getting some of those crazy flip-flops and crazy stunts they did from. Talk about your cross-cultural cohesion right there!

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It was definitely a let-down for me as well.

I think I was hoping for a little more reality-based approach, though I don't mind the Kung-fu bits ... they are appropriate for the popularity of 1970's Hong Kong films during that era.

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Anyone that cuts and pastes their review to start a thread really needs to get over their self.

Part of the problem likely has to do with the fact that Luhrmann is so culturally disconnected from the subject matter. He was a 14 year old boy living in Australia at the time; he can't properly recreate the pressure-cooker atmosphere that was happening in late 70s NYC because he didn't experience it, and likely doesn't really know anyone who did either.


And you did? You were, barely, a one year old girl. I say you're about even. You're more like a 80s baby. And I'm not defending the show. Haven't even decided to watch it yet.



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Sorry. I posted this before I submitted it as a formal review. And I never hid the fact that I was born in the 77; I'm sure I'm much more connected to the vibe of NYC in the late 70s than Luhrmann. As if NYC was THAT much different in 83 or 84. Give me a break. I grew up listening to all this music, riding the subways, watching my brother break dance, etc. NYC didn't start to get cleaned up until the Giuliani administration in the early to mid 90s.

I don't know what causes people to be so rude and go on personal attacks. Did I attack you? I've been very open to hearing others ideas about the show and learned a thing or two. Doesn't matter if you're defending the show or not, that's cool. But why right away with the name-calling? Damn.

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It's not what I was expecting but that's my fault really. I hadn't seen the trailer or anything and just saw the promo images and description, expecting a more grounded story about life in the Bronx in the late 70s with the birth of hip hop and all that. I didn't even notice that Baz was attached until a few days ago but I still thought it might be more of a period piece. This feels like a musical with 95% less singing so far and I'll watch it for what it is but I guess there's still room for someone to make what I thought this would be.

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