919 million WW
Ouch, queen wont be happy, on track to beat Frozen, another failed anti Disney prediction from queen
shareHow is it "on track to beat Frozen". Almost 400 million shy of it. U.S. might have another 100 million tops.
shareQueeny makes a joke! It's 85% of Frozen's $401m. Will reach a billion Fri or Sat.
shareWe're talking global gross here.
The first film made close to 1.3 billion. Is this going to make another 400 million? Last time, Frozen made 250 million in Japan alone. Frozen II will struggle to hit 100 million this time out. It's only at 55 million there and theholds aren't nearly as strong as the first with another 40% dip this weekend .
[–] QueenFanUSA (2726) a month agoYes everyone was referencing global gross but you were the only person to NOT see the obvious.
We're talking global gross here.
The first film made close to 1.3 billion.And your pointing out of data points for Frozen will only support how ill-informed your comments are. Frozen II will be closer to 1.4 Billion than Frozen (2013) will be to $1.3 if Frozen II nets another $10 Million dollars.
Is this going to make another 400 million?Why yes it did. And then some. 👍
Last time, Frozen made 250 million in Japan alone.And you eagerly extrapolated one region's overperformance as indicative of how Frozen II would or would not perform WW? Why would you commit to such ineptness?
Frozen II will struggle to hit 100 million this time out.Well would you look at that? Frozen II in Japan did exceed your self-imposed standard for performance for Frozen II in Japan. Yes $103.5 Million is indeed larger than $100.0 Million.
It's only at 55 million there and theholds aren't nearly as strong as the first with another 40% dip this weekend.And yet Frozen II performed quite well in Japan. Hmmmmm, why was that? Were the holds much better than how you interpreted them?
You made a thread stating that Deadline's over projection was in some way harming this Disney film but I fail to see your fixation on ahem, reporting Deadline's inability to project rightly or wrongly and how that negatively impacts Disney/Frozen Box Office performance.
You also like to crow if you are right when Deadline get's it wrong. What is it that you are right about? What does your being right about Deadline getting their projection wrong prove about a film studio's box office performance?
No one understands that position you crow on and on about. share
Norrinrad would you please stop it!
share[–] QueenFanUSA (2730) 2 hours agoYou're going to have to be a bit more precise here QFU. Please stop what??!! Plus I don't have any idea what the "It" is that you are referring to and why the sentence needs an "Exclamation" point? 🤔
Norrinrad would you please stop it!
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[–] QueenFanUSA (2737) 8 days agoWhere to begin? Let's start with your Hobby or Passion in Hate Following Disney's Box Office estimates, projections and performance, shall we?
Norrinrad would you please stop it!
Since we are all Staying Tuned via Frozen II's box office projections and now performance we might as well see where we are after 60 days. But first a re-cap to get us all caught up. 😎
QueenFanUsa alerted us to the following after only two days. Mind you, TWO days into the release:
[–] QueenFanUSA (2737) 2 months agoFollowed up with this little non-referenced gem of a statement:
It's posting good numbers, yes, but it is still underperforming domestically.
[–] QueenFanUSA (2737) 2 months agoHow did that equate to explaining Frozen II's alleged domestic box office underperformance? The self-proclaimed Box-Office hobbyist has yet to chime in with an answer, any answer. QueenFanUsa remains strangely quiet. 🤔 Did he make the underperformance up? Was he joking or being ironically sarcastic?
Maybe that it's a sequel to the highest grossing animated film of all time and it's domestic OW didn't come close to the record?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm,
After a few days of being disastrously in err we get the following non-committed "mea culpa" with a hint of defiance:
[–] QueenFanUSA (2737) 2 months agoNext barrier to be hurdled of course requires "Legs".
Okay guys...it looks like a 130 million opening. That's very good and is the shot in the arm the industry needed. It should be able to have a strong hold through the Thanksgiving holiday. How it performs after THAT will give us a good idea of whether this matches the first film's domestic box office.
So Frozen II was NOT underperforming domestically as stated earlier? What happened? Were the tea leaves rotten? A bad case of Bubble-Guts causing a misstatement of performance?
After 60 Days let's compare Frozen II (2019) to Frozen (2013):
Frozen II...…………………………………...…………….Frozen
Dom: $466,243,690...……………………………….Dom: $336,699,913
WW: 1,402,443,690...……………………………….WW: $1,280,802,282
Frozen II will in a few days, (or maybe even after adjustments to weekend and MLK Day estimates), become the #1 animated movie. (Poor Lion King 2019 is only CGI so is disqualified 🤷♂️😭).
So what is it with you, QueenFanUsa, throwing so much shade at Frozen II and Disney? Why do you continually have this inability to read, predict, forecast BoxOffice performance, projections or expectations correctly or objectively for Disney films? share
1) This is admittedly, MY OPINION but I think Frozen II underperformed domestically. It was a PHENOMENON that gained tons of fans AFTER it's theatrical release and it's sequel couldn't even get close to 500 million.
2) However, THIS is blatantly obvious:
It REALLY underperformed in Japan where it may not make HALF of what the first film did.
Japan was the second biggest market for Frozen after North America.
[–] QueenFanUSA (2738) 38 minutes ago
1) This is admittedly, MY OPINION but I think Frozen II underperformed domestically.
What is an opinion?
Opinion
NOUN
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.
It was a PHENOMENON that gained ton's of fans AFTER it's theatrical release and it's sequel couldn't even get close to 500 million.In your OPINION Frozen gained TONS of non-verified, non-ticket buying, potentially merchandise consuming fans and that means to YOU that Frozen II underperformed because those uncounted FANS decided to NOT buy tickets that they never committed to buying. Did we get that right?
2) However, THIS is blatantly obvious:Last time any one checked a map, Japan is OBVIOUSLY neither in the West nor is Japan a part of the US Domestic box office. 😎 Japan is also NOT the total International box office that you need for your argument to have any veracity. Japan represented 29% of Frozen's (2013) final International Box office and Japan's Frozen II Box office is only 12% to-date, but your statements that you want represented as Fact and not mere subjective Opinion were premature and ill-advised.
It REALLY underperformed in Japan where it won't even make HALF of what the first film did.
Japan was the second biggest market for Frozen after North America.But Japan, as a single country OBVIOUSLY was not an indicator that the International Box office for Frozen II was underperforming. Now was it? That's not even an opinion nor fact worth discussing. Now is it? In every other country-market for Asia (except Japan) Frozen II outperformed Frozen. Japan over-performing for Frozen (2013) doesn't mean that Frozen II is under-performing. Frozen II is outpacing Frozen by ~$56 Million with at least another 100 days for a normal release. All of those International dollars for Japan's Frozen (2013) were made up spectacularly in other countries for Frozen II. share
I won't even compare it to Incredibles 2 domestic results where there was every reasonable expectation that a sequel to Frozen should have produced similar numbers.
The closest comparison I could find would have been Shrek 2 in 2004. It was a sequel to an unexpected animated smash that changed the industry to a more snarky, self-aware direction(which I HATED btw) and Frozen which reignited Disney's production of animated musicals and "princess" films.
Shrek 2's domestic gross adjusted for inflation?
652 million.
Frozen 2 won't even approach 500 million.
[–] QueenFanUSA (2739) 2 hours agoNo, there ISN'T any reasonable expectation that Frozen II should have performed like Incredibles 2.
I won't even compare it to Incredibles 2 domestic results where there was every reasonable expectation that a sequel to Frozen should have produced similar numbers.
For "Reasonability" to be valid and used you would need to find some additional sequels that were like for like. You know, more than one and in this case the 1, or Incredibles (1 & 2) are exceptions and the two IP's are NOTHING alike in performance or baselines besides being animated films. Incredibles (2004) Domestic of $261, International $370, WW $631 was already outpaced by Frozen (2013) Domestic $400, International $880, WW $1,280. So did Incredibles (2004) underperform compared to Frozen (2013)? No! Why are you even using Incredibles as the standard for performance?
The closest comparison I could find would have been Shrek 2 in 2004. It was a sequel to an unexpected animated smash that changed the industry to a more snarky, self-aware direction(which I HATED btw) and Frozen which reignited Disney's production of animated musicals and "princess" films.What does adjusted for inflation have to do with performing or underperforming? Oh I get it. Frozen II in just plain ol' box office is outpacing Shrek 2 in Dom, Int and WW so you need inflation to diminish Frozen II's Box office results. share
Shrek 2's domestic gross adjusted for inflation?
652 million.
Frozen 2 won't even approach 500 million.
[–] QueenFanUSA (2739) 3 hours agoGee, didn't I already suggest you would go this route over two months ago? See below:
Shrek 2's domestic gross adjusted for inflation?
652 million.
Frozen 2 won't even approach 500 million.
Some times your true agenda is shown with the next subsequent post. Initially it was about Frozen II rescuing the "Industry" from the current doldrums and now it is Disney (and Disney alone)...:
[–] QueenFanUSA (2581) 4 hours ago...that has to re-start the fires I guess because the other studios surrendered or succumbed to their normal box office mediocrity? It's like that saying: http://decalmaniastudio.com/images/small/ifyoucantrunwiththebigdogs.jpg !
You realize that 2 of the 4 films you mentioned are also Disney releases, right?
As normal you'll find some way to spin, and spin and spin Frozen II's performance into a negative.
China down, Japan down, domestic down, no legs, budget too high, $2 Billion WW was expected, $650 Million domestic was expected, merchandising is down, songs aren't memorable...but, but, but
Then finally you'll say, "But I really enjoyed it"! 🙄 🥱 🙄 share