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Does Masculinity always have to be ''toxic''?


I haven't seen this movie so i can't say too much about it, but based on the trailer it seems like a movie emphasizing the worst aspects of masculinity. Of course the issues it covers are completely legitimate, but imo they're not the most relevant issues to cover at this time. Currently the concept of masculinity is under attack. That may sound dramatic, but there's a legitimate movement especially among college aged kids, that sees masculinity as a sickness, calling it toxic and portraying it as something young men must ''unlearn''. Admittedly, and as is accurately depicted in Goat, Masculinity when pushed to the extreme can be destructive, but it's also what built the civilized world as we know it. The same aggression, competitiveness and ambition that's caused wars and massacres has also created the most powerful and developed nations in history, yet somehow it's taboo to admit that.

Again, I don't mind that Goat exists, because i'm sure the kind of stuff portrayed in it exists to an extent in real life, but In a time when masculinity is equated to danger, movies like Goat aren't saying anything remotely new or controversial.

What i'd personally like to see as a change of pace is a feature film that realistically depicts the dangerous and destructive side of political correctness surrounding college campuses right now. Lives are being destroyed by false rape accusations and hypersensitive language policing. The Orwellian environment college campuses have turned into would be a great setting for a movie about young people and never has it been more relevant than right now. Instead movies like Goat do what we've seen a million times before, focusing on the worst aspects of masculinity, when i personally would much rather see a movie that shows masculinity has its good sides, and its counterpart can be just as if not more harmful.

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Well done, OP, for remaining calm in this thread. The goal is never to convince the opposition, it's to show people in the middle how absurdly regressive, hypocritical and violent leftists have become.

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You and the op are hateful sexist republican spam trolls !!!

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Good question. If I were to go by the media's representation, I'd think men were animals that had nothing good to offer society.

This movie is to sell the beta narrative by vilifying the alphas. The betas love to project their insecurities on alphas during peace time.

Hollywood is heavily weighted with Woody Allens, who take every chance they can get to attack those "uncouth" brutes that got all the girls in high school.

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You lost me at "I haven't seen this movie". GET OUT of the comments section that is only here to discuss "the movie".

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there's nothing more masculine than male homosexuality... no females involed =P

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Was hanging out in downtown a few years ago with a couple of my buddies, we are all older now but not that old at the time. Few frat boys got drunk, I guess they were out of towners and they decided to act up and called everyone in the city trash and saying F (the city). We take pride in our city so we decided to say something. There's 4 of them and about 10 of us. Confronted the kid, he looked like one of those steroid idiots with the fake tan type. He ran his mouth acting tough and since we were older, we decided to let it go until he kept running his mouth. Next thing you know my friend said "fck it" turned around and kicked the kid who is like 6'3 muscle. Coming from a rough city and experiencing all kinds of *beep* here, me messed with the wrong people. We swarmed on him and his friend and destroyed them. Not one punch was thrown by him and his friend. All that talking and he never fought back or attempted to hit anyone of us. He just took the beating until the cops came and ratted us out like a coward.

Goes to show the arrogance of frat boys, but when the time comes to get physical, they all ran and screamed for the cops. One of his friend is lucky the cops got their real fast, even campus police was scared, they waited for the city cops to come by. I slammed that kid from the sidewalk to the middle of the street. As I was about to stomp on his head, I saw flashing lights in the corner of my eyes and told him don't get up, it's your lucky day as he was trying to protect his face. I wonder what would happened if the roll was reverse, would the frat boys stomp on my head or would they just walk away like I did, cause I don't hit someone when they're down. Had many sparring match and we never hit anyone who's down.

Don't get hurt kid. I'm not your daddy, I'll beat you senseless.

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