creatively bankrupt?


Nothing innovative or original about it. Ah well at least I still got the Venture Brothers.

"Sorry I'm late guys. I was taking a crap."
Paul Newman

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Nothing innovative or original about it. Ah well at least I still got the Venture Brothers.


So... parody is now considered "innovative or original"?😮 I guess the movie Airplane! was innovative then... and Austin Powers was original, as well. Because those two, like the Venture Brothers, were clearly fresh new ideas... and not just poking fun at a popular genre of tv/movie trends like... say... IDK... Jonny Quest? Dude, don't get me wrong. I like the Venture Brothers myself... but it is anything but original or innovative. It is parody... and parody by its very existence is derivative of something else more widely known... it just uses hyperbole. Just try to make a salient point next time if you are trying to hate on something... otherwise you leave youself exposed to posters that are way above your pay grade.😏 Peace.



Never follow a hippie to a secondary location, Lemon.
-Jack Donaghy

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Another parody of the american family and the 1970's....ugh.Parody done right can be hilarious and if not you end up with crap like Epic Movie or Meet the Spartans. The creators of this show just seemed to take all the old familiar tropes and try to mash and rearrange them into something fresh and failed...for me at least. Glad you like it though. :)

"Sorry I'm late guys. I was taking a crap."
Paul Newman

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^^^hack... fraud




Never follow a hippie to a secondary location, Lemon.
-Jack Donaghy

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okay.

"Sorry I'm late guys. I was taking a crap."
Paul Newman

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Are you saying you are a schmart guy?...You did say hyperbole, salient and derivative.
For my money F is For Family was boring mid episode 3...like Bill Burr not this show.

~I see a little silhouette of a man, Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the Fandango.

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Nothing innovative or original about it.

I'm sorry, but when's the last time we had a cartoon set in that time period that happens to be co-written by and starring Bill Burr?

That man can make the back of a Best Buy receipt sound funny.

Sometimes the subject matter itself can be considered "unoriginal" because the mundanity of everyday family life has been explored thoroughly.

The humor in shows like these is usually found in the dialogue, delivery, timing, and character quirks which this show nails with flying colors.

P.S. The term 'creatively bankrupt' couldn't be less appropriate to describe an animated program.

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If we're going to use that criteria to determine if a show is original or innovative then I guess you've got me! I was thinking more about the fact that it's yet another cartoon aimed at adults dealing with white , middle class American families. Maybe it gets better as the season progresses but from what I saw it just looked like a retread of Simpsons/Family Guy/King of the Hill with a dash of That Seventies show.


"Sorry I'm late guys. I was taking a crap."
Paul Newman

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So you didn't even bother to finish this gruelingly-long six-episode season, but did bother to open a thread commenting on the series as being "creatively bankrupt"?

Makes perfect sense.

How is your opinion valid? I must have missed the memo..

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Maybe it gets better as the season progresses


You must feel that your opinion is very important if you had to rush to IMDB to share it without having seen the entire (6 episode) series.

How do you know the series is creatively bankrupt if you haven't watched the entire series?

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honestly, i completely agree. I really don't even care about originality, to me it just wasn't funny. I love family guy, American dad, Archer, Bojack Horseman, and with the possible exception of bojack, none of those are strikingly original, but they make me laugh. I made it through 3 episodes, and didn't laugh once. It feels like 'king of the hill' meets 'all in the family' averaging out to 'why bother?'. If others like it, all the power to them, but if an animated comedy can't make me laugh, it's worthless to me.

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You don't find 'King of the Hill' funny? NEXT!

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you do? it is a ripoff of a second rate character from the shockjock equivalent of 'adult' cartoon comedy. and by 'adult' i mean tween. no one who can control their pocket rocket's takeoff should still find Beavis and Butthead funny, and king of the hill was the dull middle america friendly spinoff.

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The 'Family Guy' fan is calling 'King of the Hill' dull. What a surprise.

Grounded and subtle humor flies right over the heads of ADD-influenced shock-comedy fans only looking for cheap, mindless laughs and absolutely no substance.

It's no wonder how you were only capable of lasting for three episodes into an animation that doesn't include fifteen cut-aways before the end of a sentence.

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Grounded and subtle humor


LOL, there was nothing "grounded" or "subtle" about King of the Hill. It was nothing but the "Weekly Misadventures of Hank Hill Reacting to the Annoyances of Modern Day Life." If the show were still on today, it would be nothing but an endless string of episodes of Hank dealing with and complaining about: selfie culture, drones, millennials, everyone being on their smartphones all the time, Let's Players, etc.

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Absolutely grounded and subtle humor that flies right over your addled mind.

Are you trying to prove my point for me? Because everything you just wrote is exactly what I was driving at.

You couldn't possibly be that idiotic. NEXT!!

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Oh, look, everyone--a pretentious ahole!

You know someone's a pretentious ahole, too, when they take a middling show like King of the Hill and present it as some kind of intellectual benchmark. These are the type of people who think "Watchmen" is a brilliant philosophical masterpiece that went over everyone's heads. That's the cute thing about pseudo-intellectuals. They can take anything--no matter how pedestrian--and elevate it to a level it doesn't deserve in order to make themselves seem so much more intellectual than everyone else.

And for the record, I stopped watching King of the Hill precisely because it wasn't subtle. It was obvious after awhile that it was nothing more than Mike Judge using the show as a platform to complain about cultural trends like a crotchety old man. It had a certain charm in the beginning, but then it just got tiresome. The characters just became one-dimensional caricatures over time--Peggy is annoying and keeps mangling Spanish; Bill's gross, creepy and socially awkward; Dale's a paranoid fool; and Bobby's the cute kid going through an oddball stage.

If you think that made King of the Hill "subtle", you wouldn't last five minutes into any episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle.

BTW, learn what "subtle" means. Just because comedy isn't broad slapstick and in your face, it doesn't make it "subtle." Too many infants keep making this mistake. "Oh, this show isn't loud and obnoxious. That means it's subtle." No. No, it doesn't. It just means that it's not loud and obnoxious.

Absolutely grounded and subtle humor that flies right over your addled mind.


Word to the wise--actually look up big words in the dictionary before using them. You're using the word, "addled", as if you think you know what it means, because like a lot of pseudo-intellectuals, you "pick up" large words by listening to people smarter than you use them, without you yourself really understanding the context in which they're being used. It's like when people use words like "parameter" or "penultimate" wrong.

"Addled"=state of confusion, muddled, etc. As in a person becoming so filled with fear that they can't think straight, or a person who's been drugged falling into a state of confusion. You think it's some kind of synonym for "stupid" or "dense." But it's not. Okay, pseudo-intellectual? It's not what you think it means.

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well said.

I was addled as the adder bit me, but at least it wasn't an asp spewing ADD around...Eeew a butterfly.

He may call you an asp next. 

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Wow, you couldn't have made a better post! It's the Mona Lisa of projections and I can't look away <3

Let's try and sift through this textual diatribe to find the real meaty goodness :)

Exhibit A ~ Freudian slip:

You know someone's a pretentious ahole, too

Implying that you yourself are a pretentious "ahole"; betchya didn't mean to type that one. Whoops! :P

Exhibit B ~ (Possibly Deliberate) Misinterpretation:
take a middling show like King of the Hill and present it as some kind of intellectual benchmark. These are the type of people who think "Watchmen" is a brilliant philosophical masterpiece that went over everyone's heads.

Nobody EVER said 'King of the Hill' is an "intellectual benchmark" of any kind. I clearly stated that there was no surprise that ADD-addled fans of shallow raunch-humor would find the show "boring". On the topic of 'Watchmen', they didn't follow the graphic novel (which WAS a "philosophical masterpiece") properly, so I can't say that I agree with you there.

Exhibit C ~ Flat-Out Projection:
That's the cute thing about pseudo-intellectuals. They can take anything--no matter how pedestrian--and elevate it to a level it doesn't deserve in order to make themselves seem so much more intellectual than everyone else.

Having an opinion about something and being able to articulate those thoughts coherently is by no means an implication of a "pseudo-intellectual", but your utter lack of reasoning behind this title you bestow upon me is a direct implication of a deep-seated self-loathing/projection of the obvious variety. Gotta love psychology. That is pretty cute <3

Exhibit D ~ Admittance to Lack of Information:
And for the record, I stopped watching King of the Hill precisely because it wasn't subtle. It was obvious after awhile that it was nothing more than Mike Judge using the show as a platform to complain about cultural trends like a crotchety old man. It had a certain charm in the beginning, but then it just got tiresome. The characters just became one-dimensional caricatures over time--Peggy is annoying and keeps mangling the English language; Bill's gross, creepy and socially awkward; Dale's a paranoid fool; and Bobby's the cute kid going through an oddball stage.

You haven't watched much of the show but claim it's not subtle, then admit to becoming bored with it. Make up your mind! Whooosh! Right over you head. Thanks for proving my point (two-for-two!)

Exhibit E ~ Complete Nonsense
If you think that made King of the Hill "subtle", you wouldn't last five minutes into any episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle.

As a fan of both programs, I'm not seeing your argument there since it doesn't actually exist.

Exhibit F ~ (Possibly Deliberate) Misunderstanding of Terms and/or Phrases:
BTW, learn what "subtle" means. Just because comedy isn't broad slapstick and in your face, it doesn't make it "subtle." Too many infants keep making this mistake. "Oh, this show isn't loud and obnoxious. That means it's subtle." No. No, it doesn't. It just means that it's not loud and obnoxious.

The DEFINITION of "subtle humor" is that of humor that is NOT "in-your-face" (aka slapstick comedy), so you're literally contradicting yourself.

Exhibit G ~ Flat-Out Pretentiousness
Too many infants

So individuals who don't fit your particular incorrect narrative of completely lacking the understanding of the difference between slapstick and subtle humor are infants? Sounds pretty pretentious to me..

I'm not even going to BOTHER with your second-to-last nonsense paragraph since it reeks with so much projected hate and nonsense that logic couldn't even make sense out of that level of hypocrisy. You're most likely a troll, but I'll indulge the mayhem that is your closing statement with:

Exhibit H ~ (Possibly Deliberate) Misquoting Due To Lack of Reading Comprehension:
"Addled"=state of confusion, muddled, etc. As in a person becoming so filled with fear that they can't think straight, or a person who's been drugged falling into a state of confusion.

Yes, addled. The very type of crowd I was referring to when talking about ADD children finding anything that lacks fifteen cut-aways before the end of a sentence to be "boring", which is a statement that didn't surprise me coming from such a fan as I stated in my OP.

It's cool though, consume some cannabis and cut out the IMDb when you're feeling too "pretentiously pseudo-intellectual" to make a cohesive argument.

Much love <3

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I declare you the winner of whatever just happened.

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i too love watching retards fight

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 1/10 (that point was automatically given for your successful login, not to be confused with what could have been your tasteful input score) 

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yes, start rating posts on imdb, that will prove your intelligence.

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So you're one of those conflicted people that always needs to give a retort no matter if the previous response given is worthy of one, thereby inadvertently putting you into a position where, sooner or later, you will be conceived as the biggest douchebag in the room.

I bet you're fun at parties.

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very astute. Plus, if that's his idea of a joke, he must really be a lot of fun at parties.

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i too love watching retards fight


I think the funniest part is that they will both walk away thinking they "PWND" the other.

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".. there was nothing "grounded" or "subtle" about King of the Hill. It was nothing but the "Weekly Misadventures of Hank Hill Reacting to the Annoyances of Modern Day Life.""

I agree about this, but I don't agree on how you insult other posters to make your point.

KotH is very mediocre, very 'safe', very 'conformist', very bland, unexotic, uninteresting, unedgy, well, it's hard to even find enough words to describe just how bland and boring that show really is.

I know the basic idea was pretty good and sound, Mike Judge trying to fix his fence and his weirdly talking neighbours ending up fixing it with proper tools and materials, but it just doesn't really work as a whole cartoon of 13 full seasons. Quite respectable that they were able to stretch something that thin for that long.

To me, KotH isn't particularly exciting or entertaining - it seems to lack a 'spark'. It's like a car with no destination, running by itself with no one behind the wheel, accidentally happening to turn here or there due to the terrain, but never ending up anywhere interesting, until it just falls off a cliff at the end.

I guess you -could- make the debate that KotH was somewhat 'grounded', or that it did have some 'subtle' humor (instead of saying something actually funny, saying something unfunny in a monotone voice in a situation that became ridiculous enough to warrant a different tone of voice can be considered 'subtle humor'), but in the end and in the long run, it's not funny enough, and despite the 'wacky adventures', it never really grabs you and tells you something important or takes you towards a message that's poignant.

You could say what Kung-Fu Panda does really well (even though it's a movie), KotH doesn't even try to do. There's no message, it takes no stance, it goes nowhere, and we never even discuss whether propane pollutes or not, or whether alternative ways of heating things could actually be more environmentally friendly.

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What's weird to me, is that even Hank's wife knows that coal-grilled food tastes much better than propane-grilled food, and Hank remains blissfully ignorant that he's married to a traitor and a liar. Hank pushes propane everywhere he goes (though it's never explained why he loves propane so much), but doesn't ever realize that coal is better for grilling food, even after agreeing that said food tastes better (I think in that episode he rationalizes that the reason is something else).

I think these TV shows would be so much better, if they had some kind of stance, some kind of point, some kind of important and poignant story people want to tell, for example, about this planet, its weird world, and how wrong certain everyday things in it are, and what we could at least try to do to change those things. Instad, it's about silly stories that go nowhere, or have no meaning whatsoever.

In the end, it's all about money first, and all about entertainment second, and that's all we get. At least they could try harder to be funny.

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hmmm, so i don't understand comedy because in addition to other things that i like, i also like Family Guy?. Just to be clear, a man can enjoy a prime cut of kobe beef, and also enjoy a hotdog in the park. As atomicgirl eloquently said, just because you view family guy as slap stick doesn't make king of the hill high art. We can discuss Chaucer and Swift if you like, or perhaps the more comical bents of Nietzsche's work? I'm not claiming Family Guy is high art either, but read 'The Miller's Tale' in The Canterbury Tales, and tell me that is any way less shock comedy. I'd also mention that Seth MacFarlane's work is a hell of a lot closer to that of john stuart mill's than the crap Mike Judge pumped into King of the Hill. Office Space would redeem any amount of half hearted crap he may produce, but don't pretend like king of the hill was subtle or clever. Please let me know if you can actually think of a single great satirist who is remotely subtle, because none that cross my mind are.

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I'm pretty sure I don't need to waste any time arguing with someone who not only waits in a little hole until some misguided fool comes to their "rescue", but also tries to flaunt an unfortunately useless major around (yes, I saw your "Lit major" comment before you decided to edit that out) as though it had any relevance whatsoever to their own sense of humor..

Utterly pathetic, but I'd like to refer you to my post above in order to provide some context. Happy New Year. Don't hurt yourself in the process.

NEXT!!

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i loved beavis and butthead when i was a teenager in the 90's. i recently watched it again and totally loved it....

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Fair enough. I really enjoyed Adventures of the Gummi Bears when i was a toddler in the lat 80's, and enjoyed it as i watched it again recently. The brain has a weird way of connecting disparate emotional reactions across fragmented points in our developmental timeline. Or perhaps you'd still love it if you picked it up fresh today, who knows. I'm just pointing out that it was aimed at a target audience of tweens to early teens.

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You like all that and don't like this? That's weird...

Bojack what??.... looking it up... what a pile of crap...

You seem to be biased before you even started.

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Completely agree. I find it mind boggling that any hardcore Burr fans would actually find this animated "comedy" as anything worthwhile.

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I find it mind boggling that any hardcore Burr fans would actually find this animated "comedy" as anything worthwhile.


Am I reading this right?

You find it mind boggling that Burr fans would like this? Even though a lot of his routine has things with his father....which are used in this very show that you find mind boggling that they like.

If I read that correctly, I find your response mind boggling.

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What? Venture Brothers sucks ballsacks!

F is For Family is funny and original, innovative? obviously not, it's like saying American Dad and Family Guy are not original because The Simpsons existed before... stop with this *beep*

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I pretty much agree. I love Bill, and he's been my favorite stand-up comic since he did his first 30 min 'Comedy Central Presents' special back in the late 90's, but honestly I thought this show was sh!t. I watched four episodes and got maybe two chuckles out of it. The whole time I was watching, I just couldn't escape the realization that it is essentially just a much less funny incarnation of a show I've already seen a half dozen times. There's nothing fresh about it, and it's not very funny.

I genuinely hate to say it, but I think this is a big swing and a miss for old Billy Redface.

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It actually reminds me of Wait Til Your Father Gets Home, except the mother isnt a total pus$y!

WTYFGH aired in the 70s and obviously didnt have profanity or sex. It featured three kids (oldest son was a lazy hippie), neighbors, stay at home mom, retarded dog. Wondering if Bill was influenced by it. They used to show some episodes late at night on Cartoon Network, before Adult Swim ever came around.

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No slur on those that are enjoying it; taste is subjective. But I watched about 10 minutes and switched off. The characters were too mundane and banal to make me want to follow their adventures. This is in sharp contrast to Bojack Horseman, which grabbed me immediately. That opened with Bojack being interviewed by Charlie Rose, establishing the character as a self-obsessed has-been who is being forced to confront himself. Not exactly a saint, but it was a problem that echoed against reality in a way that intrigued me. Nothing as mundane as "Family", where the dad is merely petty but not heartfelt. That's what hit me, but your mileage may vary.

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