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Chuck, the trust and his revenge?

posted 8 years ago by Birdmant7 (202)
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This past week's episode 11 and that little twist at the end where we find out it was Chuck who set up Axe? . It didn't make sense to go that far loosing his entire trust, including what Ira and his father's money just to get Axe arrested?
Even for Chuck's character and the weasel coward that he is its just didn't fit his character to also damage his own father and friend Ira, so he lost his entire nest egg to just get revenge?....either I am missing something or the writers just threw a monkey wrench into story because this kind of action does not fit Chuck character, he is too loyal to his father and to his friend Ira whom was helping with his case and was even going to wave the fee and just seems a very decent loyal friend to Chuck. Chuck also considers himself by morally higher, even though he is a weasel but I could see how last season he went to Wendy's computer so get the info he wanted, the risk was losing Wendy but this time is his entire trust and risking family and friend's money too?.. Js Chuck really that stupid and careless to let revenge cloud his judgement and risk it all?

I didn't care for that twist at the end at all because its just feels like it was added in for an effect, since next week is the season finale and it was kind of a cheap way of insulting your audience. Oh' look lets go back 12 ago and Chuck did this too?

[–] John Kyle (680) 8 years ago

He knows any funds lost in this way will be regained through the massive payouts Axe C will have to make in lawsuits and settlements.

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 8 years ago

Interesting but its not something that was even hinted in the show, I still find it strange that Chuck would take such a risk and regardless of the lawsuits and fines to recover his money. it doesn't quiet fit the character that Chuck has been since season 1.

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 8 years ago

Well, you were partially correct on the payouts but as I said before the risk Chuck took did back fire on him with both his father and Ira, rightly so because it was a very selfish act and it really shows what a scum bag Chuck really is. He almost thinks like a criminal where he justifies his reasoning of what he did to be worth it, not just to Axe but to his father and Ira. I have more respect for the likes of Axe than Chuck, at least Axe faced what was coming as an adult and realized he did make a mistake and got played by a weasel that he underestimated.

[–] John Kyle (680) 8 years ago

Why be mad at Chuck? He did not know Axe would do a criminal act, he just gave him the chance to do it, and Axe did.

Had Axe not done what he did, all would have been right. Is all on him.

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 8 years ago

I was not talking about Axe or defending him?..
I am just disgusted that Chuck would risk his father and Ira's money to go after his own personal agenda and revenge. Did you miss the last episode or you just want to defend Chuck?
You really think what Chuck did was right and justified?,,,,again forget what Axe did, focus on what Chuck with other people's money. Ira who really trusted a friend to lose what he considered to be his way to get out of the lawfirm, after being a friend to Chuck when he was going through the mess he was in, did Ira deserve that? . I don't care much for his Father because he did the same to Axe by moving the location of the Casino and to the people of that town but Ira didn't deserve to be collateral damage, so yes you can harp on what Axe did but my point was about what a scum Chuck is even compare to Axe, I still think more of Axe than a little Weasel like Chuck.

[–] BTWash11 (41) 8 years ago

His father was not supposed to have any money in it. He was only supposed to use funds from the trust. Ira was right tho, going to be a long time before he recovers anything. As shitty as it was, the writers used it to illustrate how fixated Chuck is on Axe. It probably has a lot to do with the relationship between Axe and Wendy. It's driven him somewhat mad.

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 8 years ago

"It's driven him somewhat mad" ?...Lol
I think he was mad from the first season when he went to Wendy's laptop; his obsession with Axe just got worse this season to come up with better plan doesn't involve him. This is a well written show, those scenes with Chuck in his martial art classes were kind of hint and clues that in season 2 Chuck is just learning how to be more sneaky. He did the same thing with Wendy and Ira and his own Dad, he is just using anyone he can with lies and charm to serve his agenda. How he managed to save his job with AG and to turn the tables around on the running candidate for the Senator's office about his gay son was another way that the writers showed how ruthless and low Chuck would stoop to. I find him utterly a weak pathetic character and a lot of it ties to his childhood, where he was probably bullied?. I have never liked him or Wendy, not to compare and Axe can a be very mean ruthless too, but for some reason he is not as sick as Chuck or consumed with hate and revenge. Although that may change next season and I have a feeling he will find the info on Chuck that he wants to expose him to where Chuck's sex life could even go viral.

[–] winslow (1318) 8 years ago

He seems to connect with his father more this season, but there is still some resentment for whatever happened between them in the past, he knows his father will eventually wreck his campaign over the trust. He probably wrote that money off as soon as he gave his father control over it. He also doesn't care about his father losing his own money because it seems to be that's what he does. But losing his friend's money doesn't make sense, I am guessing Chuck or Wendy will do something there to make it right. Wendy probably made enough betting against them to replace Ira's money. Also Wendy has plenty of money on her own, so they're not going to go broke.

I think Chuck started planning what he wanted to do to Axe even before the Sandicot deal. Remember the first part of the season, he swept for bugs, added extra security protocols, had someone in the office at all times when business is discussed, to insulate him from shady deals. Chuck needed to do something to hurt Axe badly enough that he would want to cross the line when he saw an opportunity for revenge. He knows Axe is no match for the upstate power brokers, and it would only be a matter of time before he finds out Chuck has been dealing with them. The final part of his plan fell into place when Ira brought him Ice Juice and he was able to flip Boyd. He played up the Ice Juice deal to Wendy so she would come warn him when she saw the guys at work were onto it, but really it was just so he would know they were getting ready for Golden Frog Time.

[–] Birdmant7 (202) 8 years ago

Whatever Chuck's evil plan it payed off to get Axe but I am glad his father and Ira finally saw what a piece of sht he really is. That scene with his Dad and Ira where he is justifying his actions was like listening to a criminal insane justifying his actions?!. I don't know Chuck thought in his head that what he did was going to sound right to his dad and Ira?...its almost like a sociopath whose reasoning is so selfish that he thinks whatever he did that caused some major financial damage to two people was justified for a his personal cause of getting Axe, and on top of it they still need to help him to get him elected to become Governor?...he just screwed two people out of their money and dream but he is expecting them to continue helping him?..Lol

Chuck proved this season that he is worse than the people he claims to be criminal and a weasel at most. I think Axe is right on about Chuck's insecurities or proving he is a man and the distance he is willing to go to feel that power he desperately lacks. I think Wendy and him deserve each other, they are both just very sick in their own way and that also ties into their sexual S&M too.

[–] winslow (1318) 8 years ago

I have to go back and watch season 1 again, it was implied several times that Chuck's dad did similar things in the past. Always thought Chuck became a prosecutor to spite his dad, and Axe represented everything Chuck hated about himself, the guy his father wanted him to be. In this episode, Chuck essentially blamed his father for making him this way, while Axe admitted to his sons his own faults. Interesting turn of events to end the season.

[–] yesanything (251) 8 years ago

It is what it is. Rarely do these dramas come close to as good as real life (the Maddoff things being a prime example).

Well, I'll just have to accept Billions for what it is, flaws and all.

[–] Nosduj (145) 7 years ago

You terribly underestimate Chuck Rhodes' mental issues.

Recall the Code-Red he received in boarding school? That was not just a space-filler story. That meant something.

Rhodes would throw his own children under the bus to punish who he sees as a bully.

Without ever realizing of course that he is a bully as well.