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Wow, Reynard / Ember / The Beast got hit by the TV budget spell


Yikes.

No 12-foot tall werewolf Renard, no magical ram, no hand-eating cannibalistic creepy old Beast.

Instead we get yet another shape-shifting human monster (how many demons in human form with glowing eyes is that now?), a Buffy The Vampire Slayer reject satyr, and some normal-looking bro who looks nothing like young Martin Chatwin or the older version from the book.

Kind of disappointing.

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Yeah well if it had the big HBO GOT budget, not only would we have all those things, we'd have way more magic spells being blasted everywhere, rather than just hand movements. I admit I was a bit disappointed as well, but I think they've made it pretty clear they don't plan to stick to the books as closely.

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I haven't read the books, but judging by all the comments from the book fans, here, it's clear that they are superior to the show. And it really is a shame because there actually is a cheesy element to the show while it sounds like the books are darker and far more mystically supernatural. Nonetheless, I like it enough to want to continue watching - I just worry that it'll be canceled early on if they don't step up the budget and start hustling for production costs. The moment Ember appeared on screen, I thought he was going to be a human who was cursed to look like that due to a spell that went wrong, but then I decided he was just a human wearing a mask and he'd chuckle and take it off (because he sounded like he was joking with the whole - it is customary to bow thing). I thought it was a joke. But now, to find out he's supposed to be this magical creature... hmph.

Also, there are sooooooo many similarities to The Chronicles of Narnia. Almost a concept rip off.

The multi-verse was also in The Magician's Nephew, so maybe one of those fountains leads to Narnia. lol. Also in The Magician's Nephew - you can't un-ring a bell. The bell that brings the evil white queen to life in the very beginning.

I probably thought "Whoa, that's just like the Chronicles of Narnia" about fifty times while watching this.

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It is supposed to be similar to Narnia, and the wizard of earthsea, that was what the author wanted.

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It's intentionally supposed to be similar to Narnia...

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That scene when they met Ember reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDQZQmn3guw

except doesn't look as good 

Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again? - Winnie the Pooh


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The great powerful compassionate ram gods from the Fillory books turned out to be weak repulsive satyrs, and one of them dead. What a hoot! Are we poking fun at C.S. Lewis, or what?

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I like how repulsive he looks. The fact that he is vulnerable is even better. If anything I would like him to look more grotesque. Fugas from the witcher series or the Pale Man from Pan's labyrinth are what they should go for, visually. Also I would love to see how the Beast butchered the other god, did he actually made a haggis out of Umber and ate it ? . Disillusionment about higher powers is an essential theme of this show - Quentin's narrative hinted at this many times. They are on the right track here and it's only the finale of season 1, while it took a high budget show like GoT about 6 seasons to get to a similar place in thematic development (I mean if you are going to make a soap opera by chaining an ever expanding series of 'shocking elements' together at least wrap up some of the plot lines).






Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again? - Winnie the Pooh

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have you read the books?

the ram gods are a bit repulsive, more subtle than the tv show tho.

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haha, that's awesome, I forgot about him

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The first actor (Anthony Marble) they had at the end of episode 1 looked like Martin Chatwin as an adult. It was what made me suspect that maybe "the beast" was Martin. You couldn't see him clearly but I really liked the ending and watched it a few times and you can see it looks more like an adult Martin than the author pedophile.

They traded up for a more "famous" actor when the show got attention after the pilot.-Hate it when they do that.

IMDB claims it was the 2nd actors voice as "the beast", but it sounded different to me than the actors voice on episode 1x13.

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Budget or no, OP, we were damn lucky to get Reynard and Ember and the Beast at all.the

Every reader has their own ideas of how the productions should look.

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I wondered how they were going to handle Ember and Reynard on the show. I should have known they'd be depicted like that. Still, better than nothing.

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Wait, Carl from Llamas with Hats is the Beast? His stomach was makin' the rumblies that only hands would satisfy. "'What is wrong with you, Carl?' 'Well, I kill people and I eat hands, that's two things.'" So yep, Carl is the Beast.

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Reynard is possessing Richard, so there's still a chance we'll see a more big monster version later.

We saw an overlay of a more bestial face, but again, that was Reynard possessing Richard.




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