Man I wish Penny had died - The Magicians (2015) Discussion

[–] skylab00 9 years ago

when are they going to kill elliot? I always fast forward whenever he comes up on the screen

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[–] gmes-26905 9 years ago

he'll probably end up killing himself with his excessive drug use.

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[–] Neechie 8 years ago

Wow. He's actually one of my favorites. He is completely flawed and lying to himself and others. He's deeper than I think he gets credit for and he's been there for Q since day one and actually seems to be there for everyone/ down to do whatever. Him being constantly doped up made me sad face, hopefully he snaps out of it or something happens.

Oh... Hai   

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[–] Dragonflye 9 years ago

The only douchebag in the show is Quentin. The way he treated Julie was unforgiveable. Quentin deserves every bit of hostility that Penny directs towards him.

Chthonic gods have set their sights on making me a slave to their ways.

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[–] TearTheStarsOutFromTheSky 9 years ago

I won't forgive him for that either.

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[–] jimhora 9 years ago

Well to be fair she did almost kill him, when she agreed to use the sleeping spell alongside Marina to get back at him. :P

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[–] assumedkilla 9 years ago

I like that he's flawed. His reasoning for not helping Julie really seemed to be "I'm used to losing and I finally won, you're used to winning and finally lost - just suck it up and move on", how she treated him in the next episode was unforgivable. She put him in danger because he couldn't get her in the school.

Their relationship seemed dumb anyway. So he lays in bed with a hot chick, they're best friends, they say I love you, and they're not having sex. She was ignoring his obvious feelings and treating him like a gay best friend - when he's straight. He acted like a real person, not some boy scout hero, which I like.

I never saved anything for the swim back.

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[–] lemurcat04 9 years ago

So what? Because he's in love with her, she's supposed to completely ignore her lack of attraction to him in a sexual nature and just be his girlfriend? Sorry, relationships don't work that way. (And if you're expecting them to ... ugh.) That's actually real life for adults when they have friends of the opposite sex.

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[–] assumedkilla 9 years ago

I never said she should do that, but she also shouldn't lay in bed with a guy she knows likes her and be so touchy, that's just teasing him and from looking at her personality - she probably liked that power over him to some degree. Of course, just because he likes her doesn't mean she has to reciprocate.

Yes, opposite genders can be friends, but I've never seen a man/woman act quite like that unless they were dating or the guy was gay. I've never laid in bed with one of my female friends (pretty much cuddling) while talking, or hugged them all the time saying I love you - just with girlfriends.

I never saved anything for the swim back.

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[–] lemurcat04 9 years ago

I didn't see Quentin getting out of bed, knowing that he was being teased and used for a power trip. Oh, wait, because that's NOT what was going on. She's been his best friend since they were 10. They weren't cuddling or hugging. They were just laying there. And God forbid you should show affection for your friends ...

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[–] assumedkilla 9 years ago

lol at your outraged tone. I've never seen that in real life, just TV/movies. I wouldn't want to take part in being THAT affection with a female friend, especially since I have a GF. Opposite genders can be friends, but there are still common sense guidelines... not to lay in bed with them being one of them. That's why all these friend zone and Jim/Pam situations are so common nowadays.

Back to my original point, I didn't buy their friendship in the first episode and the crime (him not helping her) didn't fit the punishment (her almost killing him or leaving him as a vegetable).

I never saved anything for the swim back.

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[–] sammyxander 9 years ago

@assumedkilla welldone!!

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[–] venanttout 8 years ago

Exactly. He doesn't own her anything. He didn't decide anything about admissions.
And In fact, HER NOT BEING ADMITED WAS A MOVE TO DEFEAT THE BEAST IN A TIME LOOP.

So, Quentin is totally innocent of what happened to Julie, on EVERY POINT

Even his advices to give up make sense. You saw what happened to most Hedge wizrds ?

"Don't play with atomic energy if you're a street kid" is a good advice.

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[–] There_Is_No_Sayid 9 years ago

I agree, but at least Quentin can also be nice to people. Penny is just a through and through ass hat.

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[–] gmes-26905 9 years ago

that was one thing.. Penny is a dick all the time.

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[–] kardargo 9 years ago

omg, ya such a douchebag, not rocking the boat to help her get in when she is the one who failed the test. totally makes what she did later ok! </sarcasm>

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[–] pcqgod 9 years ago

It's easy to hate Penny, but then he can also be the funniest character.

Oh, it was gorgeousness and gorgeosity made flesh.

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[–] There_Is_No_Sayid 9 years ago

No, he's a terrible one note dick.

Unless Alpert's covered in bacon grease, I don't think Hugo can track anything.

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[–] KingPorkchop 9 years ago

Absolutely.

Penny's behavior is pointless. He's a hack character designed to bring "drama" but has absolutely no believable motivation for his horrendously stupid actions. At first, he was just a dick. Now he's purposely acting against his own best interests just so he can tell Quentin "no" over and over. He's like a spiteful 11 year-old boy. I had hoped that the fact that the characters were in their 20s, instead of teens like most of these type of stories use, we'd get some slightly more mature behavior throughout the story. We don't. Instead of getting overly dramatized teenage angst (which is always seriously exaggerated by TV execs) we get characters who make junior high students look emotionally balanced.

And for the record, Quentin is an ass as well. But on a scale of 1 to 10, he's like a 7. Penny is a 53.

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[–] pcqgod 9 years ago

What did Quentin say to him in last night's episode? Something like, "you can't possibly want to be a dick more than you want to live."

I guess he can.

Oh, it was gorgeousness and gorgeosity made flesh.

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[–] girishmane 9 years ago

And not to forget his horrible acting.

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[–] Grothendieck_s_Pocket_Healer 9 years ago

So far he is the most poorly written character, almost every line from him is either some tryhard remark or hammy growling expression, it's as if they are attempting to create an alpha male stereotype but left out the intelligence and subtlety.
There are much better ways to show his character's contempt for Quentin's manchild escapism.

Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again? - Winnie the Pooh

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[–] Soulless_George_Maharis 9 years ago

He's the only likeable character.

Come home, Amy. I dare you.

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[–] nickb-13 9 years ago

Who likes total a**holes?

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[–] Soulless_George_Maharis 9 years ago

Clearly never heard of Frank Underwood, have you?

Come home, Amy. I dare you.

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[–] InfiniteMonkeysTyping 9 years ago

Yes -- Some TV shows intentionally have characters who are douchebags. However, those shows would not be as good if there wasn't a douchey character or two running around kicking the bee's nest.

I don't necessarily need the characters on the TV shows I watch to be people with whom I would want to be friends.

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[–] -501 9 years ago

There needs to be tension in any compelling story.

However, I'm not sure what is worse ... having a one dimensional dick of a character or having it played by an absolutely awful actor, whose only acting skill appears to be the ability to continuously scowl.

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[–] schnueg 9 years ago

Throwing in my 2 cents...There's not a lot on TV I like, and admittedly some of it is fluff, but I generally like this show and its characters. I don't see any of them as one-dimensionl,and some have begun to expose their under-layers. Penny especially seems to be compensating for a lot of pain, and I think we got a glimpse of that with the speech from that instructor when he was in the hospital bed after ODing and when Kady came clean about using him. Loved how he complemented Q's sweater after bottling the emotions, showing yet another facet of him. I also happen to like his style of dress and think the part is acted enjoyably. I don't think any of the actors are bad, including Quentin who seems more real with his nervous gibbering. If I've had a hard time warming up to any of them, it would probably be Alice. Quentin's relationship with her feels the least real. Conversely, I sense a strong bond between Eliot and Margo (though not necessarily the healthiest), to the point that I was unhappy about Mike coming between them (nothing to do with Mike being male).

I also hate that autocorrect keeps changing Kady to Lady. Grr.

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[–] NoKerfuffle 9 years ago

I agree with your take on Penny. He's actually one of my favorite characters on the show. And I loved the sweater comment too.

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[–] Julie-Marie 9 years ago

+1
I love Penny 😘

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[–] scaringi95 9 years ago

Your kidding right He's probably one of the better actors on this show along with Julia and Eliot. Quinton is ok as well as boring Alice who has no emotional range. Get Margo the hell out of there, she's terrible.

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[–] -501 9 years ago

Your kidding right He's probably one of the better actors on this show along with Julia and Eliot. Quinton is ok as well as boring Alice who has no emotional range. Get Margo the hell out of there, she's terrible.

You're (spelled correctly) kidding right? Newsflash, the idea that the actress is a poor actor does not make the actor that plays Penny any better. But, if you wish to share the "emotional range" that Penny displays ... be my guest. That will be amusing.

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[–] popedon1 9 years ago

I loathe his voice, or what he tries to do with his voice. He sounds SO affected, like he's always trying to sound "macho". He must speak with a lisp, or effeminately off-screen, because he sounds too forced.

The whole cast could use a good slap across the face, and mo' acting classes, but that's stating the obvious.

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