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So what will it take for people to wait patiently to see the movie first?


Instead of these ridiculously overblown preemptive troll tactics?

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I would think the movie will be fine.

The people complaining on the internet actually represent a very small percentage of the audience.

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Yep. Also this movie's market is more than just USA. These internet trolls are mostly came from the US. China and Asia in general doesn't care about gender politics in movies. They just want to see ooh pretty CGI... spectacle actions... spaceships... flying people...

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Then explain why TLJ tanked - It had all of that!

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Well, TLJ choose the only Chinese looking person in it fat and unattractive. Chinese people don't like that. If a Hollywood movie put a Chinese in their movie, make sure he/she is good looking.

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TLJ didn't tank. Solo did. But Solo was kind of boring for a spaceships flick.

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It had more draw due to being a main series SW film, so loads of people initially saw it, only to review it badly.

So agree it did not tank financially like solo did. Even though solo was not a terrible film, just boring as you mentioned.

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These people being those who fundamentally and 100% have an agenda against this movie and are spreading lies about Brie - from proudly twisting what she really said to simply taking issue with her call for more representation - that media outlets have taken notice? Nothing. It’ll take absolutely nothing. On second thought, Brie would have to lose her heart+mind, stop having empathy for others, devolved and turn into a white supremacist darling like that cold-blooded bimbo Tomi Lahren. That’d be the only way they’ll warm up to her former unbackwards real self.

But yeah, said trolls (don’t think I’m counting you out proven Russia lapdogs) hate the movie, Brie, empowered females, diversity, facts, etc. If their trolling on sites like this isn’t exhausting enough, then what they’re doing on RT tells you all you need to know about them. They are the toxicity that is defining the modern fandom. Should be obvious that these lunatic pricks can’t be reasoned with and will NEVER give this movie a fair chance. Betcha tons of them never planned to see CM in the first place (they don’t deserve it). Simply put, if there’s a big anti-social justice smear campaign against something or someone they see as a real threat to their primitive worldview, you will see a swarm of Neanderthals joining this sorry cause ready to attack (while gladly dismissing yet another planned domestic terror attack/s by a “fine” white nationalist).

I know these swamp dwelling incels don’t feel like a minor crowd, particularly in an era when white power is all the rage (dats reich). But, they are. They scream & cry the loudest online... their projection is on fire hehe... and that’s because they know they are a small, fucking worthless army compared to everyone they feel superior to. They contribute nothing good to society and their only purpose is to actively target them scary SJ-ad nauseam and spew garbage. Just acknowledging their kind is bad enough, but getting into long winded arguments with them that will go absolutely nowhere is soul sucking.

In any event, the only people that should matter are... everyone else. The thousands, if not millions of sane, broad minded audiences and fans who’ll pay no attention to this nonsense and will instead be supporting this movie are all that counts. Period.

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I'm not supporting this movie or Hollywood in general because the movies have gone downhill drastically in the last 20 yrs....it's not an "agenda" with everyone who opposes a movie you like. That is ridiculous. We all don't like the same things Marvel fan boys....it's nothing personal. Also, this superhero thing needs to take a break or just stop before it starts getting really shitty and repetitive.....eventually their luck is going to run out. I'm amazed it's survived this long without going completely to shit. We need more originality in movies and stop relying on things that have been done to death, there's nothing original about these movies at all and they're starting to get preachy with SJW BS that I don't care for. I watch movies for entertainment....not to be lectured. Also, people are "trolling" Brie Larson because of all the stupid shit she has been saying lately(it's on camera), not because they don't want to give her a chance or that she is an empowered female which is nothing new......have you all not seen Aliens or Terminator 2? Nothing what these SJW freak shows are preaching to you guys is anything "new".....every social "breakthrough" by Marvel SJW films has been accomplished way before they did it. Here's some movies that had diverse leading men/women as heroes way before Marvel studios and SJW Hollyweird even existed: Predator 2(1990), Blade(1998), Alien(1979), Aliens(1986), T2(1991), Event Horizon(1997), Mortal Kombat(1995), The Crow(1994), The Long Kiss Goodnight(1996), any Pam Grier film, Any Wesley Snipes movie, Halloween films, Scream 1-4, Hellraiser films, Nightmare on Elm Street(most were female heroes who kicked Freddy's ass), The Mask of Zorro(1998), Desperado(1995 Mexican hero), any action flick with Denzel Washington, Point of No Return(1993), Shaft films, and so on.... what exactly is so empowering and revolutionary that Marvel and Hollyweird/Black Panther is doing right now that hasn't been done countless times over the decades?

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I'd counter the first part of what you wrote by pointing out that the Marvel films are at least original, new films. In an era of reboots and remakes, and sequels to existing properties, there's something refreshing about a complex, intelligent, and ofttimes witty, ongoing narrative giving us new stories and new characters every time.

I'm not opposed to sequels, remakes, or reboots as long as they are good, but I prefer to see new stories about new characters. Even the Marvel sequels are not sequels in the classic sense. Tell me that any Fast and Furious or Transformers films are in any way different from any others in their given series. They can be watched in any order without missing a beat, unlike, say, the Captain America trilogy-- could those three films be any different from one another?

The bottom line is that Marvel is one of the only purveyors of consistently great new content, especially in the action/fantasty genre, on a regular basis, and I applaud them for that.

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They're not original because it's based off a comic book property(a very old property at that) and most of the film's plots are taken directly from the source material and not from scratch....no, these films are not original. The comics have already told these stories in some shape or form. If they created new characters and plot lines/origins that are not based on comics or on anything and do something completely different like we've never seen before than I could say they're original to a degree. I'm not saying they're bad but hardly unique either.....it's already been done. DC pretty much made these type of films in the 80's although they didn't have a studio to produce their own stuff except through other studios at the time.

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Films based on books are nothing new, and honestly, if we only consider films made from original scripts as being something new, we're eliminating a lot. And for what reason? How does being based on a literary source really make a film less interesting than something that was written from scratch by a scriptwriter?

Also-- DC made these types of films in the '80s? What? The MCU films are in a class of their own, and nothing from DC, or anyone else, is remotely close. The first two Superman films, and the first Batman film, were fun, campy, typical superhero fare. Don't try to pretend that what Marvel has given us in the past decade-plus has been anything less than consistently great, and unlike any superhero films that came before or since.

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movies have gone downhill drastically in the last 20 yrs


Police Academy - 1989 (30 years ago)
Porkys - 1981 (38 years ago)
Staying Alive - 1983 (36 years ago)
Heavens Gate - 1980 (39 years ago)
Doctor Dolittle - 1967 (52 years ago)
Hudson Hawk - 1991 (28 years ago)
Cutthroat Island - 1995 (24 years ago)


Ah, yes....the GOLDEN AGE of cinema.......

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I like Hudson Hawk. I don't even feel guilty.

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So do I, but him saying movies have gone downhill in the last 20 years? Total BS

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Ah! Gotcha. I mostly agree with you. I feel like the last three years of movies have been disappointing overall (not 20!sheesh!). But still, I have loved many within that time frame. Too varied to blanket with generalizations.

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Exactly. EVERY decade has had great movies and popcorn movies for the crowds.

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But not every decade has the same number of good movies, some are worse than others and the 21st century definitely shows a decline especially the 2010s which I think is the worst decade for film yet.

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The last three years have been total shit, I didn't even set foot in a theater once last year....terrible movies. Maybe 1 or 2 were ok but the majority was ass!

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I get the sentiment. I do. We used to see a movie every week and few were the times when there was nothing that lured us into the theater. These last 2 or 3 years we have cut our movie nights in half. Little of what is out there even looks good. A bad time for movie at least for us. BUT ... there were gems. Lots of them.

2018's movies we liked a lot:
Infinity War
Isle of Dogs
Annihilation
Alpha
Incredibles 2
Sorry to Bother You
MI:Fallout
Into the Spiderverse
(twice this many movies we saw were huge disappointments, so a bad year in that way)

2017's good stuff:
Split
Spiderman Homecoming
John Wick 2
Logan
Logan Lucky
Molly's Game
Blade Runner 2049
Get Out
Kong Skull Island
GotG 2
Thor 3
Murder on the Orient Express
Jumanji 2
(a decent list with some omissions for things we liked but were too flawed to call great)

2016's greats:
10 Cloverfield Lane
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
Deadpool
Hardcore Henry (ok, debatable)
Anthropoid
Dr Strange
Silence
(a few others we enjoyed but not really very good)

These lists make it seem like the years were not so bad but in comparison to previous blocks of time, they are lacking. Severely.

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The Hollywood system is crumbling, maybe if they'd worry more about making quality films again instead of social politics or remaking everything/sequelizing they might survive.

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Ok, if it's total BS than list all of the films from the last 20 yrs that you think are so great and I'll compare them to all the decades before the downfall and see if it adds up.

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That's my point. 20 years vs 80 years is an unfair comparison. BUT great films of the last 20 years?

No Country for Old Men
Children of Men
Lost in Translation
The Dark Knight
Inception
Tree of Life
There Will Be Blood
City of God
The Grand Budapest Hotel
12 years a Slave
The Royal Tannenbaums
Spotlight
A History of Violence
Moonrise Kingdom
Zodiac
Memento
Inherent Vice
Almost Famous
Let the Right One In
Unbreakable
The Lord of the Rings Trilogy
The Prestige
Gone Girl
The Martian
The Post
Lincoln
Cast Away



and so on. It not all sequels and popcorn movies any more than the 50's are just giant bug movies and the 70's were not all gritty police dramas

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Why is it so unfair in your opinion? If the quality of film was truly at it's peak 20 yrs ago than why is it stumbling all of a sudden, the last 20 yrs should've been much better than those 80 yrs combined. Do you see my point? It shouldn't take 80 yrs in the 21st century to improve upon things since we've already done that technology wise and knowing/learning over the decades what works and what doesn't so why would it be so unjustified to compare 20yrs to 80yrs in a more advanced Hollywood system? You're not making any logical sense. The number of years shouldn't matter anymore, they've had more than enough time to figure things out and improve upon it yet they're not.....it's getting worse. The movies the Academy nominates nowadays are laughable because they're getting desperate for great films, most of the nominees for best picture now are indie titles because indie is the only thing that is doing something with substance nowadays while most mainstream Hollywood films are garbage and they know it. I've never seen so many indie films nominated like they are now....it wasn't this bad 20 yrs ago. They just nominated a Marvel superhero film for best picture this year LOL....seriously?

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That's only a select few, not the majority. I never said there wasn't any shit back then lol. I don't think you get it. The first Police Academy was good, the sequels sucked though I agree with that! Porky's wasn't bad IMO.....sequels meh. Heaven's Gate and Cutthroat Island are debatable. You know damn well the 20th century was the best century for film, the 21 century so far is very underwhelming but no one wants to admit it. 20 yrs ago you didn't have nothing but superhero garbage as the majority of Summer films, that alone shows you the decline. We also have too many sequels now as well.....why can't they come up with new stuff already? I know why: It's safe and it makes $$$.

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Jaws 2,3,4
Poltergeist 2,3...was there a 4?
You can put Star Trek in the nothing but sequels hopper.
How many Boston Blackie movies?
Blondie Movies?
Bowery Boyd?
There were EIGHT Man From UNCLE movies and all they were were repackaged TV episodes.
Four Planet of the Apes sequels of degrading quality
How many Bond movies were actually good.

The 20th century had more than 7 decades to fill. You can’t write off the 21st century in 2019 and be considered well-reasoned.

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So far I can write it off because so far it's mediocre. I can only judge what already exists and compared to the 20th century, this era is not looking good so far. A few gems here and there but that's it, even the crappy movies of the last century were at least entertaining in a guilty pleasure sort of way.

Jaws 2 wasn't that bad, part 3 and 4 are the really bad ones.
Poltergeist 2 was alright....part 3 not so much. There's no part 4 but there was an in name only Showtime series called Poltergeist: The Legacy

At least the Trek sequels were connected and felt like they belong together unlike now where it just feels tacked on and unnecessary.

What was so bad about the Apes sequels other than Battle(yeah, that was bad lol)? I don't think they degraded that much but the first is the best. I can name you a bunch of franchises that went downhill more than that one and a lot of those sequels are from 21st century Hollowood lol. Terminator, Alien, Die Hard, Predator, Freddy, TCM, Halloween, Star Wars, X-Men, Child's Play all went to shit in 21st century Hollyweird! Also most sequels back then were not coming out every week like they are now, you're comparing apples to oranges.


Good Bond movies? I can name quite a few: Dr. No, Goldfinger, From Russia with Love, On Her majesty's Secret Service(yes, it was good despite the miscasting of Bond), Live and Let Die, Spy Who Loved Me, Octopussy, For Your Eyes Only, The Living Daylights, License to Kill(Dalton Bond's were awesome IMO), Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies(I don't understand why this one is shit on), Casino Royale, Skyfall, Spectre(not that bad)…..so the good out ways the bad in the Bond department. Maybe you're just not a Bond fan? Even the bad ones were at least fun.....Moonraker is bad but it's entertaining. You Only Live Twice wasn't too bad but not one of my favorites.






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So then, everything is in your opinion[/i] and should not be construed as [i]factual. Because my opinions could counter all of yours.

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Dude just give it a rest lol.....it's not that big of a deal. Why would your opinion counter all of mine to begin with....they're just opinions lol?! Like you said, they should not be construed as factual....just my own take on them. What's your point?

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Porkys is one of my favorite movies (and police Academy was from 1984).

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I do find much of what Brie is saying to be filter-free and tedious. Some of it is perfectly fine and is being overblown. Some of it is confrontational and unwise to be saying BEFORE your movie comes out. She is making a mistake.
However, none of that means anything to me regarding the movie itself. I hope it will be great and I'm going to go see it with high expectations. Pre-hating something is just as annoying as pre-loving the same. The star's behavior doesn't reflect the quality of the movie. Look at Yule Brenner's movies.

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I agree with everything said here.

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Only basement dwelling beta soy boys watch comic book trash.

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How do you know comic book movies are trash? Did you watch one? ..... uh oh.

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i did. last time i made that mistake.

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So, by your own definition, you’re a basement dwelling beta soy boy.

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no. not sure where you got that from. "grown" man children such as yourself who defend this embarrassment to film are soy boy betas.

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You wrote:

”Only basement dwelling beta soy boys watch comic book trash.”

“I’ve seen a few. They were all the same.”


All that soy must have seeped into your brain...

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LOL what's it like being a beta neckbeard and watching movies for children?

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You admitted that you watch them, so you tell me...

LOL

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So you've NEVER watched a super hero movie?

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Ive seen a few. They were all the same. Tent pole cookie cutter garbage shat out by billion dollar corporations.

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Spoken like a true basement dwelling soy boy.

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BETA!

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The fact that you have such a simplified world view explains everything about your impotent rage and childlike whining. You're going to have to accept the world as it is someday, may as well be today.

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Ending Maga-ism for starters.

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BETA!

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When in doubt, shout a made-up pseudo-insult at those smarter than you. That'll learn 'em.

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you are not smarter than anyone though.

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"at those smarter than you" Wow, talk about an over ego lol. Trust me, you SJW nerd freaks are not "smarter" than anyone.....you're just more brainwashed.

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Your reading comprehension is not up to par. I clearly wasn't referring to myself. I'm also not an SJW, nerd, freak, or brainwashed. I'm merely pointing out that you say a lot of idiotic, demonstrably false things, and voice some very unenlightened opinions shared only by fools. Am I being mean in saying so? Maybe, but only in retaliation to your unprovoked, nonsensical insults.

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Trust me, my comprehension is up to par and I don't need you analyzing anything for me lol. I know what you said and you can't take it back or defend it...… own up to it. You act like your shit doesn't stink.....trust me fool, your bullshit could take out an entire army! Just shut the fuck up already.

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That's a lot of insults. What exactly did I say that you find so indefensible? Was it me pointing out that I appreciate the quality of the Marvel films, or that in an era of remakes and reboots I find original films refreshing?

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For some of these anti-feminists it'll probably require a lobotomy.

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are you a feminist as well as a clueless social marxist?

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Don't know about him, but I'm staunchly opposed to feminism, think socialism is the single greatest threat the US faces right now, and I'm excited as hell to see this movie. Nothing about it is offensive to me, and it promises to be a politic-free 2 hours of action and humor, as well as a lead-in to Endgame.

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You sound like a smart dude then. You do you bro.

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Wasn't I not smart in the other thread? lol

But really-- this is a movie, and it looks like a fun one. Just like Black Panther got hyped up as some racist anti-white black power movie, then turned out to be a colorblind superhero film with no political or racial slant other than having black actors, I really feel like this one is going to be a superhero film with no feminist message that happens to have a female superhero.

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Were you one of the liberal snowflakes who tucked their tales?

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Black Panther was exactly that. If you can't see the blatant social marxism at work then you are blind.

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Haven't we established I'm not remotely liberal?

What was your takeaway from Black Panther? I saw a fun superhero film that wasn't quite as entertaining as some of Marvel's best efforts, but still quite good. I interpreted the story to be about T'Challa's struggle to balance the legacy of Wakanda with the realities of the modern world. He began the film worshipping the ideals of his dead father, and striving to keep Wakanda isolated, as she always had been. Killmonger showed up with a radical, new idea-- let's arm the underclass and rebels worldwide, and conquer the earth-- that was the polar opposite of T'Chaka/T'Challa's vision.

When T'Challa eventually defeated Killmonger, and after he'd learned that his father wasn't the perfect king he'd believed him to be, he adjusted his ideology. He wasn't going to try to conquer the world, but neither was he going to hide from it. He was going to offer Wakanda's technology to the world.

Is that social marxism? Is it libertarianism? Is it something else? The film itself had no real political side to it, so it's up to us to interpret things. Does his final act not strike you as a free market move? "Here's our technology, do what you will with it." That seems like every man for himself, and may the best man win. Or do you think he's going to have strings attached? "We'll come help you if need be, but we won't tell you how we do it." That seems both altruistic and capitalist at once.

To be frank, if I had to do a quick and dirty analogy for the movie, I'd say that T'Challa represents Donald Trump-- Wakanda first, a nation with a wall around it, shunning outsiders, and Killmonger is Bernie Sanders-- let's give it all away for free to the little guy, let them rise up and overthrow the man. By the end of the movie, T'Challa has adjusted his perspective, and is kind of a Ronald Reagan. He wants to help the world, but not at the expense of Wakanda's strength or sovereignty.

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The only reason we are here on Moviechat and not IMDB is nobody likes your Political Garbage movies and you can't handle it. We aren't the problem you are and anybody who claims movies haven't taken a serious nosedive since the 21st Century started are lieing to themselves or just flat out dumb

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ummm ... actually the only reason is that IMDB doesn't have forums anymore. Otherwise, most of us would still be wading through the troll posts and high-dudgeon belief arguments back at IMDB. The vast wealth of old posts with esoteric info was nice. Sometime even the trolling was fun too. It is good to have some misbehavior in the threads. Water that is too pure has no fish.

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^^^calls other people dumb after mistyping 'lying'. You're welcome by the way.

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