I envy the aliens, really.
They will never evolve and join the overmind, which means they won't ever leave the universe, won't lose their children or see their homeworld be blown up by some kid! :P
shareThey will never evolve and join the overmind, which means they won't ever leave the universe, won't lose their children or see their homeworld be blown up by some kid! :P
shareSee that's funny. My reaction was always the opposite - the sadness for the overlords. Despite their physical strength and the abilities at their disposal, they are limited...stuck where they are, unable to ascend beyond their current station. They accept their role to nurture this development in others - but forever stuck as on outsider, unable to join the club.
shareTrue, but I'm still not convinced the universe portrayed in the series is without a god
Not because "I" believe in god, but because there's to many unanswered questions for me, like, when the scientist asks if that's it and people cease to exist, his dead girlfriend appears, instead of a vocal answer
I interpreted that to mean yes, people DO exist in some form after they die.
And when that religious lady goes back home after Karellen tells her (Basically) that there is no god, she sees her dead mother, but it doesn't seem to be the overlords doing
Granted she could be delusional, but she seemed to voluntarily jump to her death, perhaps to be with her mother.
I agree. I cannot see why it rocked some peoples' faith in religion the way that it did when the Overlords appeared. As far as I am concerned being at all religious does not mean that extra terrestrials cannot exist. This issue is partly dealt with in the Christmas carol, "Every Star Shall Sing a Carol" by Sydney Carter.
shareThe series is definitely at least deistic if not theistic, but to address your point directly, I could not worship a God who created a vast barren Universe, empty of life except for humans. That would be a deal-breaker for me. The original novel is influenced by the work of Olaf Stapledon, who was theistic and also believed in a cosmic group mind as the end point of evolution in the Universe, who would commune with the Star Maker.
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Or... angels. And we know of a one particularly troublesome angel who got jealous of humans.
shareThey might know things the Humans can not know or don't want to accept.
For example:
Maybe The Overmind will survive the end of the universe. Which would mean that the different consciousnesses of the different species that joined it would survive, in a way, along with it.
One element of the Overlords in the novel that isn't dealt with in the series, IIRC, is that they themselves are incredibly long-lived, but they're barren - they cannot produce their own children, so they're stuck in an evolutionary dead end. Some characters in the book see this as being some kind of cosmic justice, once they realise what is happening to their own children. The point is that the Overlords envy Humanity, because humans can take the next step that is impossible for their own kind.
shareWas was meant by "barren" was a reference to the fact that the Overlords had reached the end of their evolutionary process - could not go on to join with the Overmind - not that they couldn't produce offspring.
sharethey cannot produce their own children
The children evolved to something greater.
Think of it like this...say you're one of our primitive ancestors who knows nothing of humor, you don't laugh, you don't make jokes, neither does your tribe.
One day, you see one of your tribe fall out of a tree and knock themselves unconscious. Suddenly you laugh, the first laugh your species has ever made.
You and your children will know humor and laughter, and over time the entire tribe will come to know it.
Also you couldn't possibly explain it to the rest of the tribe at the moment because they wouldn't understand, there is no basis for relating it.
That's a good analogy of what the overmind and the children are all about. Humanity's children have achieved an intelligence that the adults could scarcely dream of.
Would you rather stay in the tree, eating bananas, and never knowing what humor, or empathy, or deep love felt like? I didn't think so.
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share...Would you rather stay in the tree, eating bananas, and never knowing what humor, or empathy, or deep love felt like? I didn't think so.
"Would you rather stay in the tree, eating bananas, and never knowing what humor, or empathy, or deep love felt like? I didn't think so."
Yes. I just want my humble current human finite existance. I'm also the coward that would take the blue pill in the matrix. Don't wake me.