Micky was a total bitch and flake from the very beginning.
I don't know if I can agree with such a harsh description. Gus is no saint himself. But I digress.
First she invited him to her friend's house party then when she finally shows, she blew him off to chase after an ex who didn't want her.
They were not in any way dating, nor did she force him to come. Gus is the one who decided to show up 15 minutes before the party was even set to start (who does that?). Her lateness to the party is never the less a flaw on her part, but it is also a symptom of an addict. Like it or not, that is the message the show is portraying here. Gillian Jacobs seems to portray it as well as anybody.
Second she set him up with her roommate which had to be a bit insulting since he assumed she liked him.
I can't speak for the world, but if a girl I liked instead set me up with her fun, cute roommate, I would hardly be "insulted." That is a huge stretch for you to pass off as fact. Also, key part of your statement is "HE assumed she liked him." This is a typical issue self described "nice guys" like Gus face over and over again. They ASSUME that somebody likes them because they share cordial and fun conversation (which is all that had happened), and then begin to act offended when the girl doesn't react exactly the way they had previously hoped.
When they finally decided to date, she acted like a bitch
I don't see that date as being one sided as you do. More to come on this.
insulted everything he liked e.g. the magic show.
I have my own personal nerd interests, everybody does. But you cannot expect a girl to fall in love with you just because you force her into seeing how cool your own interests are. She said she didn't like magic, but agreed to go anyways. If I were her date, I would have had no problem with how she reacted. It is what it is. Magic is dorky, one can not expect someone to fall in love with it the same way. If she truly was "cold" and uncomfortable (and she didn't bring a jacket, as it was Gus who chose to surprise her with the idea of a magic show as opposed to telling her the plans up front), then they should have left. If Gus can't give her his jacket, they are in a pickle. No two ways about it. It was Gus who was not prepared for this occasion, not her.
And then when he invited her to the get together at his house she turned him down and said it was stupid
Yeah this was a bit rude, but offense is taken, not given. This is just further proof that Gus doesn't want somebody who is honest with him about their own personal likes and dislikes, he wants someone who automatically falls in love with him just because he is quirky, as opposed to showing he can earn that love by being a man. His movie thing is stupid. And you know what? I've been told very similar things by girls in my time, and I didn't feel the need to react anywhere near as upset as he did. People like different things. Your girlfriend doesn't need to love everything you do.
Not to mention she ended up showing up anyway
Her mistake here. No doubt about it. Never the less, this event wouldn't have been half as awkward as it was if Gus hadn't also invited the very next pretty girl to hit on him. Not saying Gus isn't entitled to do so, but he was well aware of the status between he and Mickey.
started criticizing the entire thing and embarrassing him in front of his friends
I don't believe you are portraying an accurate representation of this scene. She did once again create tension. But she did not do so in an unapologetic manner. She was struggling to fit in, but was displaying effort. It is clear right from the beginning that Gus did not want her there, but his overly "nice" persona kept him from just having an honest talk with Mickey about his issues, instead opting to let it build up and then sleep with someone else after she leaves.
He was nothing but nice to her
If Gus's actions fit your criteria for nice, more power to you. Personally I agree with his ex-girlfriends assessment. Gus is hostile-nice. He so desperately wants everybody to like him, and can't handle that some people just won't. He can't see why that might bother some people. He is the type who is completely unwilling to grow, because in his own mind he already has it figured out. He is a textbook "nice guy" victim.
she was a total nut job playing head games the entire time
What you perceive to be head games is really more supposed to represent her just turning into a headcase. I don't believe she had enough psychological control to manipulate Gus, or anyone for that matter. Even her roommate figured out her tricks pretty quickly.
Micky is a confused, troubled, selfish bitch
Please, tell us how you really feel...
confused and troubled sure. Selfish? I don't know, certainly no more than Gus. They both simply have very different outlooks on life. Gus thinks he can buy a girl a fancy dinner, dress her up for a magicians ball, and require her to act the way he imagined. Mickey wants somebody to *beep* her, chill with her, and hate the world with her. Your harsh comment about Mickey shows a lack of understanding about different perspectives.
if anything Gus deserves better.
On account of what exactly? Gus is a 32 year old tutor, who seemingly has no real plan in life. He constantly mistreats and puts burdens on people he encounters (the waiter) and always ends up using some variation of the same excuse; "it's just my personality, I'm quirky."
He is also in terrible physical shape. No, being skinny does not count as being healthy. We see him performing physical exercises, so we not he is not handicapped by extreme asthma or a faulty heart. He is simply too lazy to ever better himself physically, even though he clearly has plenty of free time to do so, and working in Hollywood would have all the resources to do so.
Most of all, Gus is
boring. The show is consistent with this message. Every date we see him on, every girl he communicates with for long periods of time, he simply bores to death. He brings nothing of substance to the convo, instead believing he can get by on nothing but friendly talk and a nice face.
Mickey may be a bit nuts, but at least she is
real. Call me an optimist, but to me, she is the type of girl that would be worth fighting for. Gus is too stupid and selfish to realize this, because he is too busy focusing on superficial aspects like what she thinks of magic and corny songs. She isn't held back by stupid sexual inhibitions that so many girls suffer from now a days. She is also the adventurous type, as evidence by her impromptu day in town with Gus when they first meet. To me, that is a far more exciting date than Gus's pre-planned night of magic and fancy food.
Of course, Mickey does enjoy those things on some level. She doesn't express her approval in a manner in which Gus can recognize however, which is really the key issue of their relationship. Barring some very surprising character development, I'm afraid I will end up disliking this show in the long run, for lack of being able to relate to them being a couple. So we may have that in common.
I don't think of myself as a Lion. You might as well though, I have a mighty roar.
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foursixkid
9 years ago
I find it interesting that all of your counter arguments involve comparing Mickey to Gus. Its not a competition over who was better/worse. You justify Mickey's actions by arguing they weren't as bad a Gus's actions. Judge her actions on their own, for what they were. She completely disregarded her roommates feelings and admitted as much when she asked Bertie to "pick another time to stand up for herself". She mad similar callous remarks to Gus in refrence to his party. Being "real" doesn't give you the right to say whatever nasty things you feel like saying. If you are gonna be "real", you better be able to handle the drama you create.
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MrSnarky
9 years ago
I agree that its not a matter of tit for tat, but what are relationships about if not treating each other the way that we would want to be treated, and yes, Mickey has done all of those things to Gus, and Bertie, but they were not acts of malice. I believe Gus was being malicious every time he brushed Mickey off or worse (for those who have seen the entire season). The things that Mickey did were not that bad, and are pretty standard fare when dating women.. even those who are insecure or dealing with addiction. She obviously wasnt written as a monster, nor is she being played as one. So, Im really surprised by the number of attack threads
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doggie_rodriguez
9 years ago
I think I get what you are saying. Everything Mickey did is okay b/c she's hot and everything Gus did was awful b/c he has a big nose.
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stevenbond
9 years ago
I think I get what you are saying. Everything Mickey did is okay b/c she's hot and everything Gus did was awful b/c he has a big nose.
Ah, the classic victim complex. I see nobody making that point, so all you have succeeded in doing is demonstrating your very clear insecurity complex when it comes to women. I really wanted to like Gus at first, I did. But a man can only play the "nice guy" card so much before he becomes a wuss, pure and simple. Gus is a wuss. Fortunately for him, Mickey has been placing herself into the arms of men who fall on the complete other side of the extreme spectrum, that she is willing to look past it. That is her character flaw. Gus's biggest flaw is he is simply a nobody.
I don't think of myself as a Lion. You might as well though, I have a mighty roar.
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doggie_rodriguez
9 years ago
Ah, the classic victim complex. I see nobody making that point, so all you have succeeded in doing is demonstrating your very clear insecurity complex when it comes to women.
Unlike most of the basement dwelling virgins on here I have an apartment with my ridiculously attractive girlfriend. Been together nearly 4 years so there is no insecurity here. I just noticed that everyone that complains about Gus almost always mentions is physical appearance first while Mickey, who was 10 times worse than Gus, often gets a free pass b/c she is gorgeous.
So please use your first year psych crap on someone else.
(this is the part where you say you obviously struck a nerve even though deep down inside you know you haven't)
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stevenbond
9 years ago
I find it interesting that all of your counter arguments involve comparing Mickey to Gus. Its not a competition over who was better/worse. You justify Mickey's actions by arguing they weren't as bad a Gus's actions. Judge her actions on their own, for what they were.
Mickey may be a bit nuts, but at least she is real.
Call me an optimist, but to me, she is the type of girl that would be worth fighting for.
She isn't held back by stupid sexual inhibitions that so many girls suffer from now a days
They both simply have very different outlooks on life
What you perceive to be head games is really more supposed to represent her just turning into a headcase. I don't believe she had enough psychological control to manipulate Gus, or anyone for that matter
Perhaps you should learn to read before making blanket statements. Your point that "all" of my points are all about comparing her to Gus is simply wrong.
She completely disregarded her roommates feelings and admitted as much when she asked Bertie to "pick another time to stand up for herself".
Where did I ever say I thought this was totally acceptable behavior? In case you didn't notice, I was replying to a post which, with great malice, greatly insulted Mickey, IN RELATION to her relationship with Gus. So yes, when discussing the idea of a relationship with two people, it makes perfect sense to use
some comparing and contrasting between the two to make a point. Get off your high horse.
he mad similar callous remarks to Gus in refrence to his party.
It's hard to debate with you if you don't even provide the comments you are referencing. Consider this nullified until further notice.
Being "real" doesn't give you the right to say whatever nasty things you feel like saying.
When did I ever say it does "giver her the right" to do whatever she wants? Once again, this was a reply in response to a post that was heavily criticizing her character, in favor of Gus's actions. I provided a compare and contrast of both of their actions to explain why I felt his opinion was far too biased towards one side, most likely because they posses the same type of "you have to love me because I pretend to be nice" personality as Gus does. A disease I see all too often around men in my age group and demographic.
"Mickey may be a bit nuts"
"Call me an optimist, but to me, she is the type of girl that would be worth fighting for"
That is not expressing that I think she is perfect. So either retract your original statement, or get off your high horse. It is me expressing that I personally can find reasons to look past the negative behavior, which is something I cannot do for Gus, as Gus has almost no positive qualities once you get past the fake surface persona he puts out. If you disagree, feel free to post about how Gus is the perfect dream guy you've always wanted/wanted to be. Do not misrepresent my argument to simplify the subject for yourself.
If you are gonna be "real", you better be able to handle the drama you create
Okay? Was this in response to my post? Once again, you are implying that I somehow completely justify all of her actions. I did no such thing. Her going to his work set was crazy, so I don't really get your direction here.
I don't think of myself as a Lion. You might as well though, I have a mighty roar.
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doggie_rodriguez
9 years ago
Call me an optimist, but to me, she is the type of girl that would be worth fighting for.
Would that have anything to do with her being gorgeous? If she looked like girl version of Gus she still be worth "fighting for"?
We both know the answer to that already.
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fragglecock666
9 years ago
i'm 100% with you, and especially because Mickey and Gus creepily remind me of me and my ex.
and in the exact same way i was a unpredictable extroverted girl and the dude was the nerdy "nice guy"-but actually not really nice
and on the surface, it looked like i was mean and he was the poor sad victim, but really the stuff he did to me, although subtle, was way more *beep* up than the way i treated him, which was always honest and with respect.
people were fooled by my thick skin and brashness, and his baby lamb persona, but didn't look at the hard black and white facts.
for instance, even though Mickey initially was brutally honest and teased him about the party, she still showed up and clearly was emotional. considering how she stuck with him during his "emotional" beginnings, he could have given her the same respect. yes they weren't officially bf/gf, but their date was 24 hours ago, when they had sex, and she clearly liked him, so obviously *beep* ANOTHER GIRL was a crappy evil thing to do, he knew Mickey was gona be upset even if she didn't "have the right to be", but he skated by on a technicality, because any time a nerd gets propositioned for sex, they feel like theyre supposed to do it.
that whole situation made me so mad because i knew gus was going to blame her and act like he had no idea where they stood even though he knew -exactly- where they stood
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doggie_rodriguez
9 years ago
for instance, even though Mickey initially was brutally honest and teased him about the party, she still showed up
She didn't tease him she said it was stupid and wasn't going. Teasing is playful. Mickey was rude.
he could have given her the same respect.
You mean like offering to pay for her coffee when she was a complete stranger and forgot to bring money?
Respect as when she tried to pawn him off on her roommate b/c she didn't want him? Or when she insulted the things he liked? Or showed up at his work to yell at him? Mickey never gave Gus an ounce of respect for the entire series.
yes they weren't officially bf/gf, but their date was 24 hours ago, when they had sex, and she clearly liked him,so obviously *beep* ANOTHER GIRL was a crappy evil thing to do
The date where she insulted him many times, didn't seem to enjoy the sex, and then said she didn't want to go to his party b/c it was stupid? If I were Gus I wouldn't have ever expected to even see her again after that. From his point of view it seemed like she wasn't into him at all. He would have been stupid not to go for Heidi at the time. A gorgeous nice SANE girl that he actually had things in common with.
he knew Mickey was gona be upset
No he didn't. See my above paragraph. If anything he would have to think she wasn't into him at all and couldn't care less if he moved on. She really did have no one to blame for that but herself and had no right to be upset by it.
but he skated by on a technicality...
The technicality of moving on b/c he didn't feel Mickey was into him? The technicality of wanting someone sane? Yes, those are awful technicalities. How could he do that to crazy-pants! 😭
i'm 100% with you, and especially because Mickey and Gus creepily remind me of me and my ex. and in the exact same way i was a unpredictable extroverted girl and the dude was the nerdy "nice guy"-but actually not really nice.
that whole situation made me so mad because i knew gus was going to blame her and act like he had no idea where they stood even though he knew -exactly- where they stood
Oh boy. After reading that I have no doubt in my mind that you had more to do with your breakup than your nerdy ex.
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sonicdave-74441
8 years ago
"but he skated by on a technicality", even though they had sex,they also had went out on only one date.that could even qualify as a one night stand. it was not like they had discussed exclusivity. and she kind of blew him off in bed in the morning when he suggested breakfast. she showed up unannounced at aparty that she had previously said was stupid and then she rudely said it was stupid to all of the people in attendance.
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sloopydrew
9 years ago
I don't know if I can agree with such a harsh description. Gus is no saint himself. But I digress.
First she invited him to her friend's house party then when she finally shows, she blew him off to chase after an ex who didn't want her.
They were not in any way dating, nor did she force him to come. Gus is the one who decided to show up 15 minutes before the party was even set to start (who does that?). Her lateness to the party is never the less a flaw on her part, but it is also a symptom of an addict. Like it or not, that is the message the show is portraying here. Gillian Jacobs seems to portray it as well as anybody.
Second she set him up with her roommate which had to be a bit insulting since he assumed she liked him.
I can't speak for the world, but if a girl I liked instead set me up with her fun, cute roommate, I would hardly be "insulted." That is a huge stretch for you to pass off as fact. Also, key part of your statement is "HE assumed she liked him." This is a typical issue self described "nice guys" like Gus face over and over again. They ASSUME that somebody likes them because they share cordial and fun conversation (which is all that had happened), and then begin to act offended when the girl doesn't react exactly the way they had previously hoped.
When they finally decided to date, she acted like a bitch
I don't see that date as being one sided as you do. More to come on this.
insulted everything he liked e.g. the magic show.
I have my own personal nerd interests, everybody does. But you cannot expect a girl to fall in love with you just because you force her into seeing how cool your own interests are. She said she didn't like magic, but agreed to go anyways. If I were her date, I would have had no problem with how she reacted. It is what it is. Magic is dorky, one can not expect someone to fall in love with it the same way. If she truly was "cold" and uncomfortable (and she didn't bring a jacket, as it was Gus who chose to surprise her with the idea of a magic show as opposed to telling her the plans up front), then they should have left. If Gus can't give her his jacket, they are in a pickle. No two ways about it. It was Gus who was not prepared for this occasion, not her.
And then when he invited her to the get together at his house she turned him down and said it was stupid
Yeah this was a bit rude, but offense is taken, not given. This is just further proof that Gus doesn't want somebody who is honest with him about their own personal likes and dislikes, he wants someone who automatically falls in love with him just because he is quirky, as opposed to showing he can earn that love by being a man. His movie thing is stupid. And you know what? I've been told very similar things by girls in my time, and I didn't feel the need to react anywhere near as upset as he did. People like different things. Your girlfriend doesn't need to love everything you do.
Not to mention she ended up showing up anyway
Her mistake here. No doubt about it. Never the less, this event wouldn't have been half as awkward as it was if Gus hadn't also invited the very next pretty girl to hit on him. Not saying Gus isn't entitled to do so, but he was well aware of the status between he and Mickey.
started criticizing the entire thing and embarrassing him in front of his friends
I don't believe you are portraying an accurate representation of this scene. She did once again create tension. But she did not do so in an unapologetic manner. She was struggling to fit in, but was displaying effort. It is clear right from the beginning that Gus did not want her there, but his overly "nice" persona kept him from just having an honest talk with Mickey about his issues, instead opting to let it build up and then sleep with someone else after she leaves.
He was nothing but nice to her
If Gus's actions fit your criteria for nice, more power to you. Personally I agree with his ex-girlfriends assessment. Gus is hostile-nice. He so desperately wants everybody to like him, and can't handle that some people just won't. He can't see why that might bother some people. He is the type who is completely unwilling to grow, because in his own mind he already has it figured out. He is a textbook "nice guy" victim.
she was a total nut job playing head games the entire time
What you perceive to be head games is really more supposed to represent her just turning into a headcase. I don't believe she had enough psychological control to manipulate Gus, or anyone for that matter. Even her roommate figured out her tricks pretty quickly.
Micky is a confused, troubled, selfish bitch
Please, tell us how you really feel...
confused and troubled sure. Selfish? I don't know, certainly no more than Gus. They both simply have very different outlooks on life. Gus thinks he can buy a girl a fancy dinner, dress her up for a magicians ball, and require her to act the way he imagined. Mickey wants somebody to *beep* her, chill with her, and hate the world with her. Your harsh comment about Mickey shows a lack of understanding about different perspectives.
if anything Gus deserves better.
On account of what exactly? Gus is a 32 year old tutor, who seemingly has no real plan in life. He constantly mistreats and puts burdens on people he encounters (the waiter) and always ends up using some variation of the same excuse; "it's just my personality, I'm quirky."
He is also in terrible physical shape. No, being skinny does not count as being healthy. We see him performing physical exercises, so we not he is not handicapped by extreme asthma or a faulty heart. He is simply too lazy to ever better himself physically, even though he clearly has plenty of free time to do so, and working in Hollywood would have all the resources to do so.
Most of all, Gus is boring. The show is consistent with this message. Every date we see him on, every girl he communicates with for long periods of time, he simply bores to death. He brings nothing of substance to the convo, instead believing he can get by on nothing but friendly talk and a nice face.
Mickey may be a bit nuts, but at least she is real. Call me an optimist, but to me, she is the type of girl that would be worth fighting for. Gus is too stupid and selfish to realize this, because he is too busy focusing on superficial aspects like what she thinks of magic and corny songs. She isn't held back by stupid sexual inhibitions that so many girls suffer from now a days. She is also the adventurous type, as evidence by her impromptu day in town with Gus when they first meet. To me, that is a far more exciting date than Gus's pre-planned night of magic and fancy food.
You're an enabler.
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oceanlite06
9 years ago
Gus is a mess himself and acts like a douche a lot of the time, but come on, stop excusing Mickey's behavior just because Gus doesn't act like a perfect gentlemen all the time. Being in a friendship/relationship with someone doesn't mean only doing the things you enjoy; it's about compromise and trying new things. Mickey's refusal to even give Gus's magic show a chance is what was distasteful, not the fact that she just doesn't enjoy it. I'm sure you have friends who like stuff that you're not totally into, but that doesn't give you the right to crap all over it just because it's not your thing. Mickey showed absolutely no tact at all during that date.
Then Gus invites her to his get-together the next night and she totally blows him off and calls it stupid. After she craps all over his date he still tries to be inclusive and try things again with her. Then she she shows up to the get-together anyway, unannounced, and mocks their singalongs the entire time. I don't care what kind of personal issues she's dealing with - her behavior was not okay.
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charactercombo
9 years ago
Most of all, Gus is boring. The show is consistent with this message. Every date we see him on, every girl he communicates with for long periods of time, he simply bores to death. He brings nothing of substance to the convo, instead believing he can get by on nothing but friendly talk and a nice face.
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amymcc-me
9 years ago
Totally agree with this post!
Especially this:
Personally I agree with his ex-girlfriends assessment. Gus is hostile-nice. He so desperately wants everybody to like him, and can't handle that some people just won't. He can't see why that might bother some people. He is the type who is completely unwilling to grow, because in his own mind he already has it figured out. He is a textbook "nice guy" victim.
I noticed the second anyone pushes back or disagrees, he gets so arrogant and defensive because he's the nice guy and everyone should like the nice guy! He thinks being a "nice guy" entitles him to more than he deserves. He doesn't put the work in.
At the party, he tattooed cancer on a dude he just met and acted so offended the guy didn't get his joke. At the table reading, he couldn't deal with people not praising his ideas. It WAS collaborative as they said but he wanted all the credit. When Mickey called him out at work (way out of line for her, btw)-he just projected "needy/crazy" onto her when days earlier he was obsessively texting her but she was on the subway with Andy Dick (so random).
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