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so why does Lucifer become mortal around Chloe?


I still can´t really figure how Lucifer can get shot and bleed when Chloe is around but not otherwise have i missed that part in the series or hasn´t it been explained yet?

If anyone knows please i want to know it so feel free to comment what you guys Think happens, when Lucifer gets mortal around Chloe.
Isaw the episode where he thought she wa san angel well she wasn´t but i have a feeling there is something about her and God/angels/Divinity, or maybe she is his Cryptonite like in Superman where he gets weak and mortal around the Cryptonite?

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We still don't know at this point.

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Even if is not explain if he is becoming mortal is because he is having feelings and love for that woman which is opposite of the devil work

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I think it has something to do with the fact that she is a miracle. She wouldn't exist if not for a divine blessing. Only the divine can hurt the divine, at least that's the way I understood it. That's why only an angel can hurt another angel...or divine weapons such as Maze's blades that are forged in hell and Azreal's blade (from heaven, I assume). But I could be way off, like another poster said, they really haven't spelled it out for us yet.

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Not only can she hurt him, but he can be hurt by anybody else just because she is nearby.
Luci isn't vulnerable around Amenadiel so there's more to it than just the "divine" angle. ;)

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And she's doesn't make Amenadial or Maze vulnerable. Althiugh we really don't know because she's not been around them when danger is near. Ooh maybe she makes Mom vulnerable.

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I thought about that after I posted this... The only thing I can come up with is somehow she cancels him out... Maybe because he's the Lord of hell on hiatus and she's a divine miracle. But that doesn't really make any sense... I guess I'll just have to keep guessing until they let us in on the real reason :)

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It wasnt always like that , remember the first episode he doesnt have that vulnerability near Chloe.

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My theory is that the writers needed Lucifer to be vulnerable to make stories more exciting. Otherwise, Lucifer would be able to get Chloe out of every dangerous situation with ease. But for some reason they weren't ready to explain the cause of his vulnerability to Chloe yet.

Some of us read the original pilot script, by Tom Kapinos (Californication), before it was edited down to what aired. In that pilot, Lucifer very clearly saves Chloe's life, when she gets shot by Jimmy Barnes, by transferring his own life force to her somehow. The script said he was completely drained afterward.

It's my guess that the original intention was that Lucifer somehow shared his own immortality with Chloe by going to such extreme measures to save her life. I doubt he'd ever felt a need to save a human's life before, and by doing so, he somehow transferred some of his own divine abilities to her. That still wouldn't explain her resistance to his mojo, however, which appeared prior to her being shot. That must have have been a "God-given" gift from the get-go.

This doesn't mean this is what the current writers are planning to do. Tom Kapinos was the creator of the show and wrote the original script but went on to other projects after doing the pilot. Once it got picked up, Joe Henderson took over the show. But I think it's an interesting bit of trivia.




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Ok so i learned she was a miracle but still if she canels Lucifers inmortality it would be nice to see how Maze,mum, and Amenadiel see if chloe has that effect on them, i could understand Mze being vulnerable as she is a Demon but Mum and Amenadiel mybe won´t be as they are from heaven as Lucifer and Maze are from hell?

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Well, technically, Mazikeen is the only one actually from hell...according to the show (not sure about the comic...I have yet to read them as I misplaced my sd card I had them on ;() And I've seen Maze kick butt while Chloe is around, she doesn't seem to be slowed down much at all...perhaps it's because she doesn't have a soul? Mazikeen and Lucifer are the only ones who were not affected by Amenideil's (I can never remember how to spell his name) time trick. Chloe was never immune to that only to Lucifer's mojo. I am curious to see if mum would be affected by her presence, but in her human form the only "trick" she has displayed (aside from being smoking hot) is super strength. None of their strength, not even Luci's, is altered by Chloe's vicinity.
I know that does little to clear things up, and I guess the writers have left it so vague so that there are several directions the storyline could go. Lucifer wasn't affected, after all, until he'd developed feelings for her...so maybe that's what's keeping mum, Amenideil and Maze safe. They all think favorably of her, but Luci's the only one who truly loves her.

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I agree with you. It is plain old fashioned love. But he does not see that, all he sees his is father did this.

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Yeah, he's about ready to cut of his nose to spite his face.
I truly understand not wanting to give up your fundamental belief. And free will is a pretty big deal, but I think to choose to love her no matter what would be more of a rebellion at this point than turning her away would be. He has butt heads with his father from the beginning to his own detriment. To choose to be with Chloe would probably be what would tick dad off. I can't imagine that God hasn't figured out reverse psychology yet. You don't want Luci around Chloe? Make sure to tell him pops made her just for him and he'll stay away...unless he just chooses to be happy thus ticking dad off without even trying.

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Maybe so now, but early on, Tom Ellis and Joe Henderson claimed it was "bigger than love".

But who knows?




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Hmmmm... I didn't know about the bigger than love thing. Well I certainly can't wait to see what it is :) These writers definitely know how to get you hooked and keep you coming back (of course the actors help a lot too)!

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It is plain old fashioned love.


also agree. he became vulnerable upon developing feelings for her - this was portrayed in a VERY clear cut way on the show.

and it being love is why it's so painful to see him walking away from that. poor chloe does not deserve this.

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Some of us read the original pilot script, by Tom Kapinos (Californication), before it was edited down to what aired. In that pilot, Lucifer very clearly saves Chloe's life, when she gets shot by Jimmy Barnes, by transferring his own life force to her somehow. The script said he was completely drained afterward.

It's my guess that the original intention was that Lucifer somehow shared his own immortality with Chloe by going to such extreme measures to save her life. I doubt he'd ever felt a need to save a human's life before, and by doing so, he somehow transferred some of his own divine abilities to her.
I never read the original script, but that was my theory - that using his powers the way he did to save Chloe caused him to be vulnerable when he's around her.

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The theory espoused elsewhere in this thread about Lucifer sharing his immortality with Chloe has some appeal, but I've assumed (from the moment we found out she was put there by god) that the effect she has on Lucifer is part of the plan that god is twirling around his children.

After all, Chloe's creation happened before Lucifer walked away from hell, implying that god was aware he was going to, and was able to time Chloe perfectly.


I'm reminded of the story of Iluvatar and Melkor from Tolkien's world. Where Melkor sings discordant notes to disrupt Iluvatar's song of creation and Iluvatar constantly blends them into the harmony as if they were always part of the plan - and perhaps they were.

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Sure, it's quite possible that God had some sort of trigger that would be activated, for example, his vulnerability kicked in the first time Lucifer saves Chloe's life. Mysterious ways and all that.





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Well, we now know that God intervened almost directly to make sure that Chloe was born. We also know that God is omnipotent, all-knowing, so past/present/future has no meaning to him. He sees it all simultaneously. So he made sure that Lucifer and Chloe met, and fell in love. He also knew the outcome, that the truth would be revealed to Lucifer and this love would end.

Lucifer's struggles are therefore, on the surface, pointless. He can't break free of causality despite his best efforts. That's perhaps God's message.

The answer to this riddle is therefore very simple; in order to have Lucifer really feel like the love was real, and not God's scheming, him having all his powers around her would make her just another easy fling - not something genuine at all in Lucifer's mind. So God made sure that around her he was just a normal human being, a mortal, and thus he would experience it all like a human.

The -real- riddle is how the writers of the show are going to put them back together again. I suspect Maze finds him, and convince him to see Linda. Who then "resets" the entire will-they-won't-they plotline so that we can have another season or ten of Lucifer. How? Well, there must be a small detail no-one else saw in this whole ordeal that shows that some things truly are left to chance.

Because Lucifer just won't trudge around following God's Grand Plan like a loyal old dog and pretend he's happy about it.

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Well we don't know if the God of this show is all-knowing or all-powerful. Lucifer certainly doesn't seem any more powerful than a mid-level superhero, maybe God ain't all that either?

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Well we don't know if the God of this show is all-knowing or all-powerful.

He is in the comic.



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I think you nailed it about God and Lucifer. And there needing to be something we're all missing here that will allow this to make sense. Perhaps this what Uriel was talking about when he said "the piece is here". Perhaps it's "the piece" that will finally allow Lucifer to trust his relationship with Chloe, and maybe to trust again in general.




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And if you're right in that assumption (and I hope you are) it could be interpreted as piece or peace and be correct :)

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*plot twist* Cus she´s directly descended from jesus.

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