Lower the budget for the sequel...


Max 75-90 million. Most studios in the future won't go near the 100-200 million budget longer except Marvel and DC movies.

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That would not be enough to animate the turtles for a significant amount of time. Full motion capture with facial recognition is just too expensive to give the characters the screen time they need even with the obvious short cuts they took with this.

The obvious answer is there just wont be another sequel regardless of budget and home media sales wont change Paramount's mind. It's done.

A reboot that uses people in costumes with cgi assists like the Hellboy and Where The Wild Things is a more viable option. Not to mention free up the budget to use on all kinds of things. Sadly I don't think that's much of a possibility either, I think TMNT movies are done...at least for a very long time.

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Why not use costume or practical effects? It worked well on Lord of the Rings.

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I think Paramount could give green light to a sequel if they attributes the box office results to poor marketing or wrong release date.

If there are executives who still think that the franchise can make a profit,they could potentially make it happen as it wasn't the kind of flop such movies like John Carter and Fantastic Four were.

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I think Paramount could give green light to a sequel if they attributes the box office results to poor marketing


Except the movie had pretty damned good marketing. A superbowl spot, trailers released in a timely fashion. The only difference between Out of the Shadows and the previous movie was that according to Deadline the marketing skewered somewhat younger.

or wrong release date.


Except it wasn't the wrong release date. People said that the period was too busy but these days blockbusters are spread out throughout the year as evidenced by the success of TMNT 2014 and Guardians of the Galaxy in August. There's really no point this year it wouldn't have had comparable competition.

It was up against X-Men: Apocalypse which had lackluster results and had a whole two weeks it could have dominated before Finding Dory came out. Even then good word of mouth could have given it legs to still hang in there with good numbers just like the previous movie did with Guardians a few years earlier.

If there are executives who still think that the franchise can make a profit


This movie didn't make a profit and there's already articles out there with people working for Paramount blaming Out of the Shadows for their financial woes. Now putting their problems on one movie is unfair but if they are scapegoating TMNT then what's the likelihood that they will be fine with doing another anytime soon.

it wasn't the kind of flop such movies like John Carter and Fantastic Four were.


I'd argue in many ways it was worse than either. By the time John Carter and F4 were released the studio knew they had turkeys on their hands. There was so much bad press throughout production for the latter Fox must have been well prepped for it.

Out of the Shadows was different is that the previous movie seemed to beat the backlash and was viewed as an unexpected hit. The sequel was long thought to out perform it especially as it seemed to do everything "right" in the sense of pandering to the lowest common denominator ie: Bringing in the Fred Wolf characters, overly goofy tone, Michael Bay-hem. It must have been puzzling that the initial projections had it opening lower and then shocking to see those numbers drop like a stone.

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Except it wasn't the wrong release date.


Actually, it kinda of was the wrong release date and the rest of your comment pretty much confirms it.

It was up against X-Men: Apocalypse which had lackluster results and had a whole two weeks it could have dominated before Finding Dory came out. Even then good word of mouth could have given it legs to still hang in there with good numbers just like the previous movie did with Guardians a few years earlier.


Oh please, Out Of The Shadows couldn't stand a chance against X-men or Finding Dory regardless on the film's reception.

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If there are executives who still think that the franchise can make a profit,they could potentially make it happen as it wasn't the kind of flop such movies like John Carter and Fantastic Four were.


True, which why I think it's likely to get a sequel with a slightly lower budget, and a new director.

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Oh please, Out Of The Shadows couldn't stand a chance against X-men or Finding Dory regardless on the film's reception.


Then how do you explain TMNT 2014 movie not only dethroning the monster hit that was Guardians of the Galaxy and then when that movie regained the top spot TMNT still managed to pull in decent numbers against it.

If TMNT can't stand a chance against competition then how do you account for the fact that the previous movie which had heavy backlash and seemingly everything going against did well up against one of the biggest comic book movies ever?

X-Men: Apocalypse was something of an under-performer itself so it's not like it was anywhere near the competition that Guardians was to the first reboot so a sequel should have no problem following that. It had two weeks to dominate the box office particularly given this movie had everything going for it the previous one didn't and positive word of mouth should have given it legs up against Finding Dory and yet it tanked outright. Questions have to be asked about why this happened and frankly the answers aren't as easy as "wrong release date".

Frankly if you were right and TMNT doesn't stand a chance against competition (and the 2014 was some weird anomaly) then it's screwed and doesn't deserve theatrical releases because there's no point in a year it wouldn't have competition.

True, which why I think it's likely to get a sequel with a slightly lower budget, and a new director.


It's not like the budget for either movie was massive and you can tell from the varying quality of the cgi and the obvious cutting of corners that the budget for both movies is not adequate for what they are trying to create and yet you suggest cutting the budget?

A new director? As in a cheaper one? I'd imagine Dave Green is as cheap as you can get with only one theatrical release under his belt and that wasn't exactly a blockbuster. If you're suggesting they get someone with a better track record (and possibly pump some of the money into his/her fee) I can't see any director worth anything working for Platinum Dunes especially on a franchise that needs a huge amount of work to save it.

Like I said if executives as Paramount are publicly blaming Out of the Shadows for their company's share losses then what's the likelihood those same execs are going to want another movie?

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I still see no reason the suits of the first two movies can't make a comeback. They still look flawless all these years later.

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Yes, and with a minimal little mocap on the turtles, they could go a cheaper route, but still make it look real.

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The original 90s trilogy were made on modest budgets and still pulled off impressive effects, especially TMNT II. For all that movie's flaws the animatronics and puppetry are sublime.

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Paramount should go with a soft reboot for the sequel. Cut down the CGI, and bring back practical effects.

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I think the original Mirage comics and the 2003 animated series should be the template as well in terms of the tone and story, though I wouldn't mind aspects of the 1987 like the Technodrome and Dimension X provided they're not overly cartoony.

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Paramount should go with a soft reboot for the sequel. Cut down the CGI, and bring back practical effects.


That's not going to happen, and for the record practical effects are not always better. The reason Turtles didn't work is not because they were CGI.

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and what was the reason ?

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No. because TMNT Out of the Shadows flopped at the Box-Office and killed the PD TMNT film series. The next TMNT movie will NOT have any involvement with Platinum Dunes

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