Star Wars fans have always hated Star Wars - Solo: A Star Wars Story (2018) Discussion

[–] kuku (3510) 7 years ago

Well, he has a point... which could apply to every loved story. In the Lord of the Rings universe (the books), the Silmarillion was too hard, the Hobbit too childish, and many people didn't like Tom Bombadil. But that's business as usual.

You'll never get 100% approval from 100% of fans in 100% of source material.

The problem with TFA, TLJ or Soylo is that it went from 'there's a few things in the story that a few fans don't like' to 'there's a few things in the story that a few fans like'.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Horseshit.

I’ve been a fan since 1977 and the only people who “hated” it were CRITICS.

Ebert preferred “Close Encounters of the Third Kind” and called Star Wars “corny”.

Then went on to bash Spielberg ever since(WTF?).

The only thing we fans all agreed on was that George Lucas couldn’t direct his way out of a paper bag.

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[–] christomacin (4660) 7 years ago

correction: Lucas couldn't direct ACTORS out of a paper bag. THX 1138 and American Graffiti certainly showed he had a command of the visual language of cinema. THX had the advantage of not being too dialog driven in the first place, while Graffiti had the advantage of a strong script and perfect casting. As for Star Wars, it was an amazing achievement visually and technically relative to the modest budget - in fact, it's a minor miracle the film even got completed at all. But yeah, he had some weaknesses as a director which he never really improved upon, and in some ways actually got worse (i.e. prequels).

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Yep, it took his WIFE to save the project.

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[–] Arghhhh (804) 7 years ago

This is a good watch if you want to see what they actually changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

This video is exactly what I mean, Arghhhh :)

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[–] christomacin (4660) 7 years ago

You could make the same claim about many other films, including Jaws, which editor Verna Fields had a lot to do with making the huge success it was. Still, even the greatest editor has to have something to work with. My argument is that Lucas got the coverage he needed to make a potentially at least good film that matched his vision. Marica along with the special effects team turned it into a great film. What he got with Kurtz, Marica and others was a collaborative team that was working more WITH him than UNDER him, as happened later and ultimately caused the some later problems and ultimately the special editions and prequels.

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[–] Keelai (34967) 7 years ago

"I’ve been a fan since 1977 and the only people who “hated” it were CRITICS.
Ebert preferred “Close Encounters of the Third Kind” and called Star Wars “corny”."

Finally! Another witness!
When I say that Siskel and Ebert gave SW a thumbs down, most don't believe it because Ebert later pretended to have always loved the movie and years later created an updated positive review. Other critics did the same.

Lucas is brilliant, but he's better with constructive criticism. Perhaps he didn't seek it out enough for the PT or there was too much hero worship around him or he just didn't listen.

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[–] [deleted] 7 years ago

Yeah...I distinctly remember either Gene Sicky or Roger Igor saying Close Encounters was a more “classic” Sci-Fi film.

While I thoroughly enjoyed CE3K...they both later went on to blast Spielberg for chaotic scenes in his movies such as the town meeting in “Jaws” and the chaotic evacuation in “CE3K”.

Boohoo...they wanted WHAT, a more “orderly” evacuation from a deadly chemical spill?

What is it with LOSER critics who laughingly claim they are “distracted” from the plot of a story by things like “excess background noise” in Spielberg films or “lens flare” in Star Trek?

I guess it was the lens flare that made one critic forget that Scotty hadn’t joined the crew yet during the Halo jump because in his IGNORANT-assed review...he stupidly asked why Scotty couldn’t just “beam them to the drill platform”...when it was clearly stated by the crew that the drill was making communications and transporters malfunction.

And they make fun of US?

WOW...I must have RAZOR-SHARP focus to have noticed all that AND an uncanny ability to listen and follow the dialogue between Richard Dreyfuss and Carl Weathers in CE3K during the evacuation!!!

🙄

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[–] Keelai (34967) 7 years ago

The critics lost credibility with me because of their negative reviews of Star Wars. But, as bad as critics were back then, they're even worst now. The critics raved about Last Jedi even though it has plenty of plotholes, no character development, no continuity, tells instead of shows, uses gimmicks instead of storytelling, numerous errors...

I also don't get the impression they can follow a movie.

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[–] Keelai (34967) 7 years ago

The writer doesn't know what he's talking about. Hamill and Christensen didn't quit acting. Hamill's acting career was hurt because of a few movie flops. He instead did a lot of voiceover work. Christensen is still acting even though his movies aren't as well known. Ridley became a proponent for gun control which caused her to be attacked and leave Instagram - not her SW role.

I don't believe for a minute that Kennedy and Johnson are fans or they wouldn't so quickly and easily have destroyed SW. I believe that fans can be too nitpicky especially in the past, but Disney's greed and incompetence is what's destroying SW.

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[–] darkpast (8754) 7 years ago

just another Disney shrill

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