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Any more homophobic gay male references in this?


FTR I think Noe has a brilliant visual style, but I have found his films to be morally ugly, dishonest, misanthropic and especially homophobic.

I'm wondering for anyone that has seen "Love" if there are any more ugly dishonest homophobic depictions of gay men in this film. Not at all surprised he would be a typical straight white male and depict lesbians as hot while taking every opportunity to associate gay men with idiotic negative stereotypes as he has in the past.

And please don't try to excuse it by saying he cast himself as one of the sickos in the sexclub in Irreversible. Just because he sees himself as the kind of psycho that would find a brutal murder sexually arousing doesn't mean it's not a ridiculously dishonest negative depiction of gay male sexuality.

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There's a scene where the protagonist's inner monologue says he hopes the mother of his son does raise him to be a f-word.

Another scene has the protagonist refusing a threesome with another guy but acquiescing to one with a pre-op male to female transgender. He initially backs out when in front of her penis, but later he's in the shower with her and it's implied they do have sexual relations by this scene and a subsequent on where he asks the main love interest to never tell anyone or speak of it.

Whether any of this is homophobia, I'm not sure, felt like a real depiction of a hedonistic straight male.

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Yeah, I'm not sure that makes the movie homophobic...

The main character is a douche, and I think it's pretty obvious. He loses everything BECAUSE he's a douche.

So saying the movie is homophobic because the main character is homophobic... that's like saying a movie about Hitler is racist because Hitler was a racist.

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I've never understood the word homophobia. I don't know anybody who's afraid of homosexual's. Is there something I don't know. Are they dangerous? Killers? Why would anybody have a phobia about some ones sexuality?

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I can't tell if you're being facetious and deliberately playing a word game or if you're genuinely that ignorant. Either way do yourself a favor and maybe research a little as to how that word came into being and why.

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There's definitely homophobia in there. He doesn't want his son to be gay (And it's mentioned for literally no reason, it's not plot related, he just doesn't want to have a gay son) and he's absolutely cool with his girlfriend having lesbian sex, but has a breakdown when his girlfriend brings home a transgendered woman with a penis for them to have sex with (And they both call her a tranny). So yeah, very clearly homophobic and like most bro-douche straight guys, all about the lesbianism.

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Wow, relax on the bro-douche bit. Straight men like vaginas, not penises. Lesbian sex has more vaginas. It's not a "douche" thing - it's a math thing.

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Men who are TOO interested in lesbian sex have repressed homosexual feelings. It's scientifically proved.

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Hold your horses here! One man being repulsed by the idea of having sex with another man is not homophobia. Nor is it homophobic to express such a reaction when as story element the prospect of such is presented to him. Homophobia is fear and hatred of homosexuals as a class, the desire to persecute and prosecute homosexuals, to deny not only their sexual acts, but the legitimacy of their love. Homophobia is dangerous. Being exclusively heterosexual (or homosexual for that matter), is merely an involuntary limitation of potential sexual expression ;-P

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Spoilers!

The film could've been homophobic if, for example, the scene with the transexual was presented as a cheap gag wherein Murphy thought he was going to have sex with a natural-born woman only to be surprised with a penis, a la several Hollywood sex comedies. However, the scene was presented in such a way that the transexual was a human being about the situation and understanding of Murphy's apprehension. When Murphy did bolt, both the transexual and Electra laughed about it; in other words, I personally thought it was presented in, for lack of a better phrasing, an endearing way.

That aside, Murphy's character did state that he didn't want his son to grow up gay, but just because a character doesn't want his son to grow up gay doesn't mean the filmmaker or film itself is homophobic. Murphy is presented as a rather cisgendered--and at times, hypocritical and possessive--male, so I thought it was fitting of his character to have that fear. This, of course, is not true of all cisgendered males per se, but he did seem to be something of a "man-child," and such--once again--I thought it was fitting.

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This ^
Thank you. :-)

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