Hodiak comes off as too modern
David Duchovny's portrayal doesn't feel believable as a 1960s middle-aged cop.
shareDavid Duchovny's portrayal doesn't feel believable as a 1960s middle-aged cop.
shareAgreed. Mannerisms and personality are way off, basically just Mulder & Moody mixed together. Still enjoy
shareI really don't see any Moody or Mulder in his portrayal
shareThe writing is terrible and not true to the time period, and Duchovny goes along with it in a way that is absolutely not believable. Using modern phrases, mannerisms, etc. His character resembles nothing of a man in the 1960's let alone a WW2 vet. His acting is very one-note... I am a fan but come on!
shareIn what way does his portrayal not feel believable?
shareHe's too laid back and snarky for a man of his age in that time period.
shareI don't remember how cops were supposed to be back then. I enjoy his portrayal.
shareA lot of people went back to strait laced, uptight lives centered around children and family. He's in the middle of the beatnik movement, and I've read the swinger culture has it's roots in WWII. Kerouac also got his start around this time. Sometimes you see bad sh*t in combat and it changes you.
shareRight -- he's a big fan of jazz and plays guitar, characteristics that would make him maybe a little hipper than most middle-aged men of the time. Being laid back & snarky was not born with the children of the '60s.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
How old is Hodiak supposed to be anyway? I agree that perhaps in his age range, sarcasm was not the norm. But he is not a child of the 60's. His son and Emma are children of the 60's and laid back and snarky was born with that generation. I know it's not too realistic, but we all know it's basically what David Duchovny does and I enjoy it, realistic or not.
shareIf you think that snarky was born with the children of the '60s, perhaps you are not familiar with the likes of the Marx Bros., W.C. Fields, Mark Twain or Jonathan Swift, to name just a few. It was born when language was born, no doubt.
Being laid back did not just come about in the '60s, either. Though considering how often he has snapped out on people or his crazy scheme to free his son by getting to the drug dealers in the Army, dunno if I'd call Hodiak laid back.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
I misread your post. I thought you were saying Hodiak's generation was not laid back and snarky and he was from the 60's. I think any generation could have those traits and you listed some great entertainers, but I think with the proliferation of pot smoking and rebellion, there was an increase of laid back and snarky people who came of age in the 60's and 70's. I was in junior and high school then and we were so sarcastic, we didn't even change the inflection in our voices and we even had a name for it - we called it anti-sarcasm. Definitely doesn't work online. ๎
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
I agree. For example Hodiak expresses a very modern day attitude toward gay people; his younger partner Shafe displays an attitude more period correct.
Hodiak says something like "what do you care what two men do in private?"
That would be a very rare attitude for a straight WWII vet working as a detective in the 1960s. Even people of Shafe's age range still basically regarded gay people are mentally sick.
I think this reflects modern Hollywood's commitment to teaching a pro gay viewpoint; even in period pieces like this they have the main protagonist expressing tolerance.
Also, Duchovny's laid back attitude and personality tends to bleed through in his characters.
I still like this show. I can overlook this.
There are all these posts stating that his portrayal isn't believable, but no one says why except he's snarky and too laid back. First, how many of you worked in a police station in the 60's? Second, when was snarky and laid back invented? I think the writing and his performance are right on.
shareFor me it's mostly because he uses phrases/humor that sound more current, and not like from the 60s.
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Did you watch tonight? It was amazing. The two hours just flew by. My only bitch is that its sometimes to dark. I don't mean the subject matter. Just that its hard to see sometimes. Other than that it kept me intrigued throughout
shareThat's funny because I rewatched last season on my computer and I lightened the screen because I thought both - it was dark literally and content wise. I was multitasking tonight, but I thought it was even better than last season and I can't wait to watch online. Have they released the episodes online like last season I wonder?
shareI noticed he was sarcastic tonight, but I'll have to watch it again. What phrases did he use that were too modern for the 60's?
shareI honestly didn't pick up on any that were to modern for the 60's. I'm going to have to watch it again.
shareSeriously? The entire thing is presented as modern - the hipster haircuts and groomed facial hair, the attitudes. The women are all too Valley Girl-ish.
Tonight, Duchovny joked about whether he should be using moisturizer on his face. Even women didn't use that word back then, much less men. Absurd.
I agree you have to suspend disbelief and I had a hard time doing that - mainly with all the pretty boys. Now they've introduced Tex Watson, another pretty boy. Tex Watson was kind of good looking in some photos, but not pretty boy good looking. I've got to watch it again just for these gaffes. If you look at film of the Manson girls, they do look Valley girlish - they just don't act it. There's no way they could ever recreate how gross their lives really were like. If you think about the way they probably lived, it turns my stomach. I missed the moisturizer comment - yes that is not realistic. ๐
shareOh well, they do say " every episode begins with the disclaimer that it is โInspired in part by historical events. It's a TV show and all I need is from a show is entertainment and this show does it for me. Just like when people complain about Scorpion and say things like that couldn't happen. I don't give a shi*, I enjoy that series too.
Charles Manson really do that with the mushrooms?
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No one should accuse โAquariusโ of false advertising โ every episode begins with the disclaimer that it is โInspired in part by historical events. This program contains fictitious characters, places and circumstances.โ But the NBC drama โ which returned for its second season Thursday (June 16) with a 120-minute, epic episode entitled โHelter Skelterโ โ sometimes goes beyond simply fictionalizing the tale of David Duchovnyโs made-up detective Sam Hodiak.
Viewers looking for insight into one of the most troubled minds in modern history may be scratching their heads now that the episode has aired. Depicting Charles Manson, actor Gethin Anthony did something particularly startling, even for a notorious murderer. Read on for the spoiler-heavy details โ and whether it really happened.
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Now that youโve seen the episode, youโll remember the subplot involving Manson and Omar Dorseyโs Ralph Church. The ex-con and the cult leader have an established history and made plans together โ but in the episode, Manson serves Church and his men a meal laced with poison mushrooms, killing them.
As dramatic as the moment may be, it never happened. In fact, Church is a fictionalized character, as are his ill-fated men.
So, the next question would seem to be: Is the moment authentic to something the real Manson would have done?
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The facts are that Manson and his family did indeed set up shop for years at Spahn Ranch, living a bohemian lifestyle that had people of all sorts moving in, partaking in their sex and drugs, and sometimes moving on. But if Manson allowed a group of black men to join their tribe for an extended period of time, history has forgotten it.
Did Manson hate black people? Most definitely โ and his prophecies of a โHelter Skelterโ race war fueled so many of his teachings that they eventually became a self-fulfilled prophecy where he needed it to happen if he wanted to maintain his flock. But rather than giving a group of intimidating lodgers poisonous mushrooms, Manson instead attempted to kickstart Helter Skelter in 1969 by shooting a black drug dealer named Bernard โLotsapoppaโ Crowe.
Why is this important? As some have been quick to point out over the years, Charles Manson never actually killed anyone himself โ Lotsapoppa recovered from the gunshot wound unbeknownst to Manson, eventually testifying against him.
Instead, Manson made his โfollowersโ carry out his twisted crimes through mental manipulation and vague orders โ which some might see as inauthentic to the โAquariusโ events.
Does this change the way you view a show like โAquariusโ? Perhaps. But the bigger question would seem to be: Doesnโt the chilling tale of Charles Manson and his followers have enough twists and turns on its own?
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Yep, when I saw Tex Watson, I thought "Ooh, eye candy! โฆ I hope he can act."
The scene where they met confused me. Suddenly out of nowhere, there's Manson walking up to the guy, working on a Rolls Royce that I guess had broken down on the road. But there was no exchange explaining why Manson was there, or even where the heck they were. The place looked desolate (no other cars or people) so it seemed strange Tex didn't ask Manson what he was doing there, if he needed a ride, or something.
The family does look too clean, including Manson.
I've gotten used to them being hot. In fact, I saw the panel they did the other night. They were far away from the camera, but Gethin Anthony who plays Manson had his hair pulled back in a little ponytail and he's British, so he got quite a bit hotter. Charmain is Australian and I was looking at her hair today thinking, 'I don't care if she has extensions, I will kill for her hair.'
The scene where they met Tex had me confused too, but I thought or I made up my own story that he was at Dennis Wilson's house and working on his car.
The scene where they met Tex had me confused too, but I thought or I made up my own story that he was at Dennis Wilson's house and working on his car.
I didn't know that was how Manson met Tex Watson - interesting. I just guessed.
shareSeriously? The entire thing is presented as modern - the hipster haircuts and groomed facial hair, the attitudes. The women are all too Valley Girl-ish.
Tonight, Duchovny joked about whether he should be using moisturizer on his face. Even women didn't use that word back then, much less men. Absurd.
You might have seen that word in an ad, but I think the word used more often was lotion instead of moisturizer. But I do agree about Valley Girls - they looked like Valley Girls, that's all.
shareYou might have seen that word in an ad, but I think the word used more often was lotion instead of moisturizer. But I do agree about Valley Girls - they looked like Valley Girls, that's all.
I was young, but even in the 70's I never heard a teen girl say 'moisturizer'. We used the word 'lotion'. But our mothers put 'cold cream' on their faces. That's the word Hodiak should have used. Had he used that, it would have been hilarious and realistic.
shareThat ad is for Revlonโs Touch & Glow Moisturizing Liquid Make-Up. That's makeup, not moisturizer.
Back then it was called lotion or cream, especially cold cream, as Cin said. It would have been funny if he'd said cold cream. That is the term he'd have known, it's what his wife would have used.
Back then it was called lotion or cream, especially cold cream, as Cin said. It would have been funny if he'd said cold cream. That is the term he'd have known, it's what his wife would have used.True, but would the majority of the audience know the meaning of cold cream (I do, but I'm old)? Or would it have just taken them out of the scene? share
You've brought up an interesting point - some people tease or complain that the dialogue is too modern, but your point is if they used correct vernacular, would the audience understand it? I think they could have used lotion instead of moisturizer in this case and it would be appropriate for the time and understood by all. But you do bring up something to discuss. Like there's nothing else to discuss. ๎
sharesaid cold cream
yes, now THAT term would have been correct
We all go a little mad, sometimes.
I completely agree. They are all funny and I don't find it too distracting but yes his quips do seem too present day at times. And it seems more pronounced this season.
"I could've sworn there was one more peanut butter left." -- Morgan, The Walking Dead
Yes, that is why! Exactly why
We all go a little mad, sometimes.
Yes, I agree with you. But I still adore him.
We all go a little mad, sometimes.