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Last two episodes

posted 8 years ago by Pippy-4
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We wish we could say that the end of “Aquarius” season 2 — and likely the end of the entire series — was getting a hero’s treatment. Unfortunately, NBC is giving it a little bit more of a silent one. The final installments continue to be burned off on Saturdays, and next week, the last two are going to be coming on the air one right after the other.
For those of you who are still watching and enjoying the series, we thought we’d at least give you a quick preview of what to expect over the course of these installments. The details below come courtesy of official network releases.

2×12, “Mother Nature’s Son” – “Hodiak (David Duchovny) decides to take matters into his own hands and shows up on the doorstep of the mysterious serial killer who has been sending him obscene pictures. Meanwhile, Manson sends Bobby (Mark L. Young, “The Comeback”), Mary (Abby Miller, “Justified”) and Sadie (Ambyr Childers) to go to extreme measures to get money from Gary Hinman (Jefferson White, “How to Get Away With Murder”).”

While it certainly would be nice to see more of the series, at the same time we’re not getting much of an indication that is happening. As a matter of fact, NBC sounded far from bullish on the series’ future recently at TCA. Our advice is to enjoy the installments tonight and the final two next week, since that may be all you have.

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http://cartermatt.com/220122/aquarius-season-2-finale-spoilers-first-look-final-episodes/

[–] connorarroyo-1 8 years ago

Sorry to hear that if it's true.. The initial plan was for a six season run.

[–] Pippy-4 8 years ago

Yes I' m sorry too

[–] stoutlee 8 years ago

For network TV I think it's pretty good.. Once they put it on Saturday I figured that was a death sentence. I hate that!

[–] fredrick-ruf 8 years ago

Fox? It's on NBC....does anybody pay attention to facts? *beep* I know it's only television but wake up!

[–] Pippy-4 8 years ago

What do you mean Fox? Where did it say it was on Fox network?

[–] Johnboy1221 8 years ago

Thanks. I will miss the show. I can only hope that the ratings these past two Saturdays were high, but I won't hold my breath. Good show.

[–] Pippy-4 8 years ago

Just watched last nights ep and thought it was fabulous. It really is sad that they are not giving this series another season

[–] in_my_trailer 8 years ago

I really like the show too - Duchnovny is bringing it. I'm very sorry it isn't going to get a third season.

My only major beef is the countless shots of the night of the Manson Family murders. I feel like they need to get on with it and make that now, vs. all the back-and-forth with "Seven Months Ago," "Three Months Ago," etc.

[–] kjperes13 8 years ago

The show has not been officially cancelled, and for the last 2 weeks, they've shown 2 episodes back-to-back, just like they will this Saturday...

[–] therealshapeshifter 8 years ago

Although I'm not familiar with the industry, I'm hoping if Duchovny is a producer (that means financially backing, right?) it could get another season. Maybe on Netflix?

[–] connorarroyo-1 8 years ago

Netflix is the oh so obvious solution here.

Fingers crossed.

[–] Johnboy1221 8 years ago

I never really took notice of Duchovny until this show. He's my favorite character......deserves an Emmy for his portrayal. I think the show needs at least one more season of shows, to wrap things up.

[–] cinles 8 years ago

"Producer" has different meanings. One meaning is they give someone a title, usually the star of the show. There is usually more than one production company who finances a TV show or movie. Here is the list for Aquarius: Tomorrow Studios, McNamara Moving Company, King Baby Productions and Fabrication (season 2). I guess David Duchovny could be involved in any of these companies, but he didn't personally finance the show. If any series should have moved to Netflix, it would have been Hannibal and I would love to see Aquarius on Netflix too - without the editing.

[–] johnnydinkis 8 years ago

I worry this show doesn't even have a cult following that would warrant someone else picking it up. It seems like there was just no interest with the second season.

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[–] !!!deleted!!! (67791493) 8 years ago

I'd like to see it run up until the time of Manson's capture. It can end there. Manson, for me, is the core heartbeat of the show, or at least his story is. How he came to be this pathological liar and psychopath are key to its success as we all know he managed to manipulate people to kill for him. That's a pretty powerful control that folks are willing to toss away their own value systems for to serve him like they do.

The actor playing Manson is very good and doing the best with what's given. David is good, period... and the main reason I tuned in.

GFW

[–] Pippy-4 8 years ago

GFW I agree with what you've said. That is EXACTLY how I feel about the series

[–] !!!deleted!!! (67791493) 8 years ago

Hey thanks! I came to this by way of Californication and before that an X-Files fan. So love to watch this nutter of a brilliant actor whose not only smart but funny and quick as whip. And whatever he is, he comes across as a man. All man. He may be whatever but he is a man.

GFW

[–] Pippy-4 8 years ago

LOL:) For sure he is all man:) Met David many times and he is also one of the nicest celebs I've ever met. He is very down to earth and really treats his fans with respect. He is a doll:)

[–] !!!deleted!!! (67791493) 8 years ago

Good for you but I don't want to meet him. I respect his acting and feel he's made a lot of progress with his own personal issues, which are on-going, but feel his self-awareness another feather in his 'all man' cap. I enjoy watching him use those very issues and all with how they arrived, however that is/was, to his advantage... as well as those who work with him. Califonication was the best example ever of how to take lemon and make lemonade.

I'm more interested in Charles Manson in this show though. How he deals with him. I do believe some of this, even with poetic license, is based on facts however elaborated and/or decorated. CM arrives at psychotic over time. No one wakes up a psychopath and no one is released from that ever. Hence CM living off the US taxpayers dollars getting three square meals a day, a show about him, and will live a long life in a world within a world made, best he can, by him in there... whereas if left on the "outside" he'd surely been killed. Oh the irony.

But other than being gang raped in the silo as a teen what propelled him to become a masterful manipulator to get other humans to kill for him? Pass that boarder? How did he convince someone to turn off the cries to save their baby at least? That chilling line by Sharon is unforgettable.

I feel the writers and all the team involved have challenges but surely someone is interested in getting this 'story' out there? And will want to complete it? Not leave us hanging, pun intended.

GFW

[–] Johnboy1221 8 years ago

Not to justify his actions, but Manson was neglected, abandoned, unloved, shamed, gang raped and treated with utmost abuse as a child and young man, and remains a perfect example of how not to raise a child. He was smart, though, and he learned to channel his brain into being a master manipulator. Like Hitler before him, he had the power of mass hypnosis, who ultimately became an unfeeling sociopath.

[–] !!!deleted!!! (67791493) 8 years ago

Not to justify his actions, but Manson was neglected, abandoned, unloved, shamed, gang raped and treated with utmost abuse as a child and young man, and remains a perfect example of how not to raise a child. He was smart, though, and he learned to channel his brain into being a master manipulator. Like Hitler before him, he had the power of mass hypnosis, who ultimately became an unfeeling sociopath.

Of course. Thing is that with people like that the choice is to turn into your abuser or fight them.

But, tell me, if you've read about him, why isn't he a killer in the Tate massacre? Or is he?

GFW

[–] Johnboy1221 8 years ago

He may have been directly involved with other murders, but in the Tate murders and the two that followed, he used his "family" to do his dirty deeds.....planning and having them execute everyone. By that time, he gloried in having the control he had over them. The best book about it all is Manson by Jeff Guinn, if you want to know about it.

[–] !!!deleted!!! (67791493) 8 years ago

I do and thanks. I will read that. And oh yes control is the ultimate high for abuse victims. It is all about control.

So, even if this is a spoiler, what got him caught?

GFW

[–] MNGal28 8 years ago

So, even if this is a spoiler, what got him caught?

He was caught b/c Susan Adkins was in jail for some other offense & could not stop blabbing to her cell mate about the murders. The woman ended up turning Adkins in & it just blew the case wide open.

[–] kuntext 8 years ago

And oh yes control is the ultimate high for abuse victims. It is all about control.

I'm fairly sure that you'll agree, that ^^^ needs clarification. As written, it's incorrect.

"Control is the ultimate high for UNHEALED abuse victims."

On the way to healing, one of the best things people can give a loved one whose control was taken away, IS to give them as much control as you can. As time goes by and they practice and experience feeling in control again they begin to need control less and are able to be vulnerable and trusting again.

Once that desperate need for a lot of control subsides, what becomes any one abuse survivor's "ultimate high" will vary individually. :) And, that's a happy thing.

Susan, "but I was thinking..." Leo, "STOP! Thinking is for losers!" - Scandal's satirical message.

[–] !!!deleted!!! (67791493) 8 years ago

I'm fairly sure that you'll agree, that ^^^ needs clarification. As written, it's incorrect.

"Control is the ultimate high for UNHEALED abuse victims."

On the way to healing, one of the best things people can give a loved one whose control was taken away, IS to give them as much control as you can. As time goes by and they practice and experience feeling in control again they begin to need control less and are able to be vulnerable and trusting again.

Once that desperate need for a lot of control subsides, what becomes any one abuse survivor's "ultimate high" will vary individually. :) And, that's a happy thing.

Right, unhealed abuse victims... then all the other sentiments you shared.

I've done extensive research into addiction and some sort of the five abuses beyond a doubt lead to addiction(s) as well as psychopathy. One is manageable while the other from what I understand is incurable. And yet both can live and function if not at the extreme on the wide continuum within society and many often do.

GFW

[–] hakelsey2 8 years ago

GFW, I have studied the Tate/LaBianca case for about 30 years; and I was shaken by that last scene at Cielo. You are correct; Sharon's pleas were chilling and disturbing, and sadly; historically accurate, by all accounts of the murderers.

[–] !!!deleted!!! (67791493) 8 years ago

GFW, I have studied the Tate/LaBianca case for about 30 years; and I was shaken by that last scene at Cielo. You are correct; Sharon's pleas were chilling and disturbing, and sadly; historically accurate, by all accounts of the murderers.

Heartbreaking on so many levels with her knowing her fate as well. The wanton disregard for life is a hallmark apparently of these individuals who come to see humans as objects or pawns in their games.

My own family owns these tendencies* for many of the same reasons, but luckily not all of us were tainted (forever) by these traumas. But like Freud says our childhood traumas cling to us for the rest of our lives. And as Jung would say they don't need to define us either.

Many people would be surprised at how many functioning sociopaths and psychopaths are around us, in businesses, the military, even the priesthood. There is a continuum for just about everything. But I'm no expert and just wanted to share that chilling as said moment and wondered to handed over that bit of information as they'd have to have been there.

*ETA Clarification in that none of them are killers, just manipulative con artist and run of the mill pathological liars and one is a pedophile who served time believing he was set up. We're like, ohm, yeah you were. What part don't you get? But that's just how they think and there is no reasoning with them at all, forget it, they'll try to control you to somehow agree or see it their way. It's crazy, man.

GFW

[–] hakelsey2 8 years ago

Yes, a terrible night for those victims. And the next night for the poor LaBiancas~

[–] Johnboy1221 8 years ago

It took a while to connect the dots, but good police work caught up with Charlie and his gang. When people commit murders like that, they always make serious mistakes, and that was what happened. The series is doing a good job of combining fact with fiction, which is why I would like to see it be completed.

[–] therealshapeshifter 8 years ago

The series is doing a good job of combining fact with fiction, which is why I would like to see it be completed.

I agree, but unfortunately a lot of comments I read online consist of complaints that it is not "true" to the Manson story, in spite of the disclaimer at the beginning of every episode: "Inspired in part by historical events, this program contains fictitious characters, places, and circumstances." They should have had it voiced over too, like on L&O.
But I wonder if it's just too dark for summer viewers?

[–] cinles 8 years ago

It was pretty violent and maybe it was my TV, but literally too dark. I don't know if being too violent did Hannibal in, but airing a show on the weekends and it being so violent isn't a good sign for renewal. This show would be great for Netflix, but then so was Hannibal.

[–] hakelsey2 8 years ago

Cinles,
I do not watch any prime-time TV, but I did want to watch Aquarius to see how they played out the Manson plot. I have studied the Tate/LaBianca case for 30 years, and I agree with you completely. Last night was violent. I am grateful that they did not show more of Sharon's murder than they did, because her's was painful enough to watch.
Maybe one of the things that is so disturbing about the violence last night was that it actually happened. From what I have learned through the years, and fairly common/basic knowledge, is that is was an fairly accurate account of the Hinman murder, and Sharon's as well.
So, my thought is, is that I do not know how much violence is regularly exposed during prime-time TV viewing.

[–] Pippy-4 8 years ago

Those last two episodes were very well acted but I'm not a good candidate for so much violence. It was hard for me to watch.

[–] !!!deleted!!! (67791493) 8 years ago

I agree, but unfortunately a lot of comments I read online consist of complaints that it is not "true" to the Manson story, in spite of the disclaimer at the beginning of every episode: "Inspired in part by historical events, this program contains fictitious characters, places, and circumstances." They should have had it voiced over too, like on L&O.
But I wonder if it's just too dark for summer viewers?

I don't think it's too dark, I think the blending of fictional (other murders, relationships complexities--his and his partners and the homosexual guy) kind of are there to extend the one true tale about Manson.

So most (I think) are tuning in for the one story and are getting several others they're not interested in perhaps? But they don't get the fact it's a show created for it to be an on-going series that uses the Manson bit as a lure. And the creators hoped, I believe, that David, being a big cool draw and extremely gifted actor, will bring in his fan base to keep pumping blood into it so to speak, violent Tate blood letting pun intended. Then they'd get as interested in his way of detectiving handling things, getting into trouble, and so forth and keep tuning in for him as well as getting Mason caught then put to trial. A great vehicle for the Mason actor, whose name escapes me.

Seems they didn't figure in the enormous draw these murders and their execution at the hands of others programmed by someone not involved exactly would be as strong as it is?

GFW

[–] kuntext 8 years ago

The series is doing a good job of combining fact with fiction, which is why I would like to see it be completed.

I agree, but unfortunately a lot of comments I read online consist of complaints that it is not "true" to the Manson story, in spite of the disclaimer at the beginning of every episode: "Inspired in part by historical events, this program contains fictitious characters, places, and circumstances." They should have had it voiced over too, like on L&O.
But I wonder if it's just too dark for summer viewers?

From a writing POV, I agree that the combination of fact and fiction is done well. But, I am a conflicted viewer.

Fan fiction is a form of admiration. Disturbingly true, there are murder groupies. And, creative nonfiction is a valid genre... one I like a lot, personally. In Aquarius, it's like being a viewer is the high-tech version of being a murder groupie.

It differs from say, the loyal following of the L&O series' or even Criminal Minds or CSI in that Aquarius sensationalizes the graphic violence and aftermath. If anyone remembers that series about paparazzi, "Dirt" - I mean that specific kind of lens or POV. It feels wrong. Like, "Is nothing sacred?"

But, I also see another way of looking at this. Given that there is a constant barrage of violent imagery coming at viewers already, is it a positive thing that in this series, when violence happens the audience cringes and winces and covers their eyes and that the criminals inspire revulsion and contempt? And, possibly, heightened interest in keeping the remaining criminals behind bars. So, yeah, I'm conflicted.

Otherwise, I love the casting and the acting. I think the writers are strong on depicting the sexism of the times but are weak on depicting the racial environment. The dialogue relating to race with the Panthers and the biracial spouses devolves into dogmatism. Serious kudos for capturing the blatant abuse and oppression of women, though. :) For the younger folk... no, that part is neither exaggerated nor fiction.

If they do continue, they need to get the rights to original artists' songs. The music of those times was one of the strongest influences on the cultural mind. And, taken to a terrible and tragic extreme... music was an integral part of CM's delusional visions.

This season finale was excellent in terms of story. The violence was disturbing, to put it mildly. I had to look away and what I heard made me cry. The story ended on quite the cliffhanger so if the show returns, I'll tune in.

Susan, "but I was thinking..." Leo, "STOP! Thinking is for losers!" - Scandal's satirical message.

[–] Johnboy1221 8 years ago

Well said. In regards to the music of the times, they failed to showcase much of it, and in the next to last episode, last night, they had the audacity to use Spirit In The Sky, which had not yet become a hit in 1969. Few viewers would have a clue, but from a historical point, it was a mistake. Great song, though.

[–] cutch74 8 years ago

Too many of the shows I've enjoyed lately are not coming back. Please don't let this fall victim also! I thought or maybe hoped next season would follow Sam trying to protect Emma and then following the biggest court case of the time.

[–] Bluevelvet2 8 years ago

I wished that also.