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Sharon Tate's Sister Calls for Aquarius Boycott


http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/aquarius-boycott-sharon-tate-sister-charles-manson-debra-tate-1201798175/

Let's hope this helps the ratings. Maybe more people will tune in next week. 

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First, I don't know her pain, but it must never go away. Second, She must have a lot of free time on her hands. Third, she sounds like a nut. How many TV shows, movies and documentaries have been made about this? I think it's more about the parole and she's using the show to get publicity for that - that makes far more sense.

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Yeah losing a loved one the way she did is very hard but I agree there have been tons of movies and stuff about this even a stupid lifetime one, not being mean but it was really stupid. She talks about the trailers explicit nature but documentaries have showed the real pics and they were far worse and she didn't complain then.

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Yes, I just posted the same thing. I better go back and try to delete it. Sorry I won't boycott.

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Third, she sounds like a nut. How many TV shows, movies and documentaries have been made about this? I think it's more about the parole and she's using the show to get publicity for that - that makes far more sense


You are a nut. What if YOUR SISTER or DAUGHTER got MURDERED?? I considered it a big slap in the face to be showing the brutal murder of her sister for profit, and for stupid morons to watch this crap.

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Its nothing new. How many movies are there about Kennedys murder? Even shows with the plot of stopping it, those are more offensive then anything done about this case and you don't see them whining about boycotts

"I'd rather lose for what I am than win for what I ain't"

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What about Princes Diane? There were things done about her too.

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What is the difference?

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During the time it was really big and shocking so of course the whole Manson thing is going to have lots of coverage and Sharon Tate being a big actress at the time has something to do with all of the publicity as well. An actress being murdered along with a lot of other people is also going to get tons of press and publicity since people are more inclined to care about celeb stuff then stuff about government officials especially nowadays. There have been lots of Manson documentaries, 3 movies and now this, and other serial killers are also getting the same treatment there were also about 3 Ted Bundy movies as well. I don't see where Manson or the girls are being glamourized like she's claiming though if anything they look nasty and nuts.

"I'd rather lose for what I am than win for what I ain't"

Kacey Musgraves "Pageant Material"

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You chose to quote part of what I said. I said I felt the woman's pain. However from a legal standpoint, she has no power to stop any movie or TV show about this subject, even if it happened last year. But it didn't happen last year - it happened 47 years ago and the actual murder photos have been published. She knows she can't stop a TV show, but she's using it so Leslie Van Houten can't get paroled. She's a nut to say she's trying to stop a TV show, but she's smart to use it to try to stop the parole.

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I like the show. I'm not boycotting, either. Leslie won't get out of prison. She killed 2 people. She's been in prison for 45 years, she couldn't adapt in this society. She's an illiterate piece of crap. She will die in prison just like Susan Atkins did. I personally think all of them should've gotten the electric chair.

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They did get the electric chair. I agree about her getting out now - what is she going to do?

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And yet, here you are, posting on the message board and taking part in discussions about "this crap".

It begs the question--if you find it crap, why are you on the message board at all?




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I can sort of see where she's coming from. It must be difficult to be forced to relive the most traumatic experience of your life over and over and over. But at the same time, as others have said, there have been tons and tons of movies, shows, documentaries, songs, pop culture references, etc. about the murders throughout the years. I even know at Rob Zombie's Halloween haunted house event, Great American Nightmare, there were actually recreations of famous crime scenes like John Wayne Gacy and the Manson murders so it was like actually being there. This caused quite a controversy because the event was just a few miles away from where the Gacy crimes actually happened.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is why this show? Why make this an example over all the others? Is it because it's more mainstream? It's on NBC and David Duchovny is involved so maybe that means more people will see it. A lot of Manson movies are low budget, direct to DVD movies that only appeal to a small crowd. Could that has something to do with it?

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I feel for Debra Tate, but I think 'Aquarius' should be allowed to continue. It would set a bad precedent for 'Aquarius' to be cancelled for her reason, because then everything based off a real-life murder case may become taboo. Tate (understandably) feels it is insensitive to portray people in an untruthful manner, especially victims, but it's the FICTION of the show that makes the production more compelling, so I don't think NBC is trying to be insensitive.

They shouldn't ignore Debra Tate though. That is rude on NBC's part.

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My sympathies, but it’s laughable SoCal. 52 Retweets and 60 likes. I don’t have a Twitter account, but that appears lacking in traction.
http://twitter.com/debra_tate9/status/743680084171591680/photo/1
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The disparagement belies the motivations being in concert with Kim Goldman. NBC may be served better with a donation than an apology. If the goal is parole denial, then the show aids that goal. Untruthfulness is cited with a big brush industry condemnation for exploitation. Why now? Season two and what specifically?
Ignore me!? I can almost hear the Battle Hymn of the Republic humming in the background. Sign me up, ban the bomb and war movies too, demand compensation, vegan certification, more nuts in rocky road..

I was around then, Manson and Bugliosi share similar charisma. And his accounts takes on authority as gospel, perhaps this show is blasphemy. One of the things that sets this apart is the POV of Hodiak and the attending LAPD. News then wasn’t dominated by the endless trial like Simpson. 1969 was an effed up year by any account, I recall a Brokaw treatment. Well after the trial there were sparse articles from interviews including Shafe and Tully, enough to flesh out a story but no one cared much. Victims’ rights then, courts are sensitive now. Images of “dead bodies lying on the floor” aren’t likely to be banned, nor should calls for a boycott exceed their merit.
Asking for a sit down seems presumptuous to me, otoh an apology for a fair warning costs nothing. It’s a moment in history belonging to all and the teller, not for cultural vandals to self-proclaim editorial power over. What’s next? A Goldman/Tate Historical Film Commission? Occupy Hollywood is taken by Mr. Robot’s agenda.

Criticism of over fictionalization seems somewhat warranted as does referencing SoCal politics as a factor tilting toward agenda. Drugs definitely helped define the times though, Nixon introduced the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) and soon the DEA. What I found amusing is the portrayal of the Black Panthers. It’s historical fiction, as such it’s an entertaining enough take of the culture at that time. I’ve bookmarked their protest belated circa 1969. Be well Debra.

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I feel for Debra and everything her family went through but sometimes she bugs me. For instance for years I heard her say the way she found out about the murders was that she was taking a shower and her mother busted open the door and screamed "my daughters dead!" and fell to her knees. Then recently in a show this year she says she found out from her boyfriend when he called their house. I just don't get the discrepancies. That's just one example of how things she has said have changed over the years.

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I feel for her and their family, also. But I can't help think that she's built a career for herself around her sister's murder. I've seen many, many documentaries and news programs about the murders and about the culture of the time and in all of them Debra Tate pops up.

I can't help but notice that she kept her last name, (credibility?) her stories vary from one to another, and she can turn on those tears at the drop of a hat. I've lost a family member in a similar fashion, and believe me, it does NOT make me an expert in victim's rights. Nor does it make me an expert in violent crime, or a contender for every documentary that's produced. My relative died over 30 years ago and I think of her every day. But I don't collapse in tears when I talk about her. Debra Tate can turn that faucet on any time she likes.

The other day I saw a documentary about an archaeological dig of the Spahn Ranch and the outer desert perimeter using cadaver dogs to sniff out any possible bodies the Manson family had buried out there. And--lo and behold! To oversee archaeologists and scientists flown in from Tennessee was...Debra Tate!! (who is NOT either of those things...neither a scientist nor a archaeologist.). As usual, she had plenty to say, and plenty of tears at just the right time. But it had the opposite effect on me--it convinced me that she was sitting by the phone, by the computer, looking for chances to jump in front of a camera. Grrr...





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LovingBooks, your post makes me feel sorry for the sister in that it sounds like she has let her life be about a past tragedy without any personal growth that could help others and thereby circle around to lift herself.

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You have a better heart than me, and you make me feel awful! I should have thought of her in more sympathetic terms, but I guess I saw an opportunist making money from a tragedy and it set me back a step. I'm glad there are people like you who can see the other side of people.


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It is not a private matter. When someone is murdered, it is no longer between the victim and the killer, it is a matter for society.

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I don't see why people have to jump to one extreme or the other.

Personally I think dramatizing true crime stories is fair game. This was a gruesome murder but also a part of our history.

There is a reason some 50 years later people are still making movies about this.

The recent thing on OJ was mentioned in the article, and that is exactly the same. Neither show was merely hours upon hours of watching the victims be murdered. It's about how these crimes influenced a culture (and, inversely, how a culture influenced those crimes).

Now, with all that said, surely anyone could understand that when you're trying to watch some sitcom and in the ad break you see someone pretending to be your dying, pregnant sister screaming for her life... that's got to be seriously disturbing. I can more than understand why someone in that position would want this show off the air, even if I don't agree.

I didn't see the ads personally but it seems like it's in poor taste to put such graphic stuff in the trailer, even if it's as tame as a silhouette. When you watch the show you know what you're signing up for, but relative or not, not everyone wants to see that while eating their wheaties.

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