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Did the show destroy the mystery of The Joker forever?


Even as Batman, the Identity of the Joker is still a complete mystery and that makes him dangerous and fascinating. Here? After bruce becomes Batman and sees the Joker.. "Jerome.. stop this now!".

No mystery, no drama. He'll know who to stop and that makes it boring. Unless of course, based on my previous post, Jerome is not THE Joker and a new Joker inspired by Jerome will show up.

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Let's go back to Batman 1989, Joker wasn't a mystery there. He was a gangster named Jack Napier, plus he killed Bruce's parents. Jerome is more of a mystery than that Joker. All we have on Jerome is that his mother was in a circus and he went crazy and killed her.

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Exactly.

People keep viewing this an a prequel to a previous continuity which it isn't.

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There are plenty of people who have said that Gotham should be viewed as an Elseworlds story.

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Or Batman the Animated Series, where they took some inspiration from 1989.

They know who the Joker was and when he fell into the acid (they celebrate the 6-year anniversary). They knew he used to be a mobster and Bruce Wayne even ran into him at least once before either became their super-characters.

Though, admittedly, the 1989 version is a simplified plot device. Originally, Bruce saw supposed to fight every villain as though they had shot his parents, projecting his revenge onto them. This was simplified into making Jack Napier actually BE that person, despite it canonically being Joe Chill. Not sure if that was because the projected rage mechanic was too awkward/clumsy or if the general story just worked better that way, but that's what they did.

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Considering there are many interpretations of Batman, no it hasn't. This is set in its own continuity, so it doesn't make a difference.

Did Batman & Robin ruin Mr Freeze's tragic story with his wife forever? Nope.

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Ya I would also think the scenario the OP mentions won't happen in this universe...at least on screen as the show probably ends well before Batman and Joker meet.

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Joker has had various backstories where it "reveals" who the Joker was before he became the Joker. In the animated series, he was a former hired hand for a mob boss before becoming the Red Hood and falling into the tank of chemicals. The same thing happened in Tim Burton's Batman, only this time we even got a name (Jack Nappier) and a bit of a backstory. In The Killing Joke, Joker was a wannbe comedian who was desperate for cash to support his pregnant wife so he took a job posing as Red Hood for a heist before fallen into the chemicals.

So no, Gotham did not destroy the "mystery" of who the Joker was, as he has had several backstories over the years, and the ones I mentioned are just ones off the top of my head.

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I disagree. I think what some of you are forgetting is 'Gotham' is just an else worlds story and doesn't officially tie on to the Batman comic books. While I am not a fan of some of the changes myself and think Zsaz would be better if they had made him a deranged psychopath who cuts himself after he releases his victims from the confines of their lives I don't think it is a bad show and I certainly don't think it has destroyed anything. As one of the other members pointed out 'Batman' (1989) had a different backstory for the Joker than the comic books too and that didn't ruin anything going forward or the Joker wouldn't be around today.

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