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Land Dispute

posted 7 years ago by r5d4d2 (695)
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I find the land dispute between the survivalists and the Native Americans to be the silliest story line in season 3. It is the end of the world. the only thing that matters is food, water, weapons and a defensible position.

I cannot believe that the Native Americans would care about their tribe's historical lands when hordes of undead are killing everyone. The colony doesn't seem especially defensible (no high walls, no high fences, no cliffs or gorges). So who cares!

Why would you risk your lives in a "war" with a well armed group when the world is basically a free for all. Go find yourself a mansion and a Ferrari!

It seems that the Native Americans are only interested in the land, and not any of the survivalists' supplies or shelters.

Also, if the colony can exist for so long with few defenses, and the Native Americans can survive with no defense, there must be groups of well armed, well trained government/military types who are doing just fine.

Can't an M1 Abrams tank basically just run over a thousand walkers per hour?

[–] Apis (1624) 7 years ago

When you put it like this, yeah, I can see the silliness of the whole land dispute. Indians behave like there was no Zombie Apocalypse whatsoever.

[–] lennonforever (2453) 7 years ago

Yes I second this. It does seem futile.

[–] ilsamarx (42) 7 years ago

Not really, if you think about all Jeremiah has on that land. Housing, supplies, water, etc... Why wouldn't they want it? Jeremiah has a better set up priobably than they do. Plus, since there is a long bitter grudge, the end of the world is the perfect place to end the dispute and take back what you have been fighting for just because.

[–] lennonforever (2453) 7 years ago

Ah I guess, but the Indians can make a place like that too.

[–] Apis (1624) 7 years ago

In the last two episodes we found out that the grudge wasn't about land at all, but for personal reasons. That seems more logical.

[–] lennonforever (2453) 7 years ago

Yes, but still seems a bit too much.

[–] chrisjdel (2714) 7 years ago

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[–] chrisjdel (2714) 7 years ago

An Abrams would eventually bog down in a crowd dumb enough to not move aside when they see a tank coming! They'd have to be tightly packed, yes, but a shoulder-to-shoulder mass of walkers that kept moving toward the tank would eventually bring it to a stop by sheer inertia, the tank couldn't push its way through all of them.

The ranch and the Native Americans are way out in the middle of nowhere. They either haven't seen a big herd yet, or have a really good lookout and diversion scheme in place. It doesn't look like the ranch does that. The natives might, we don't know enough about them yet. But most of these people are living much as they did before the government collapsed. It's not so much that they don't get how bad things are, it just hasn't made a big difference to their lifestyle, in their little corner of paradise life goes on.

The ranch seems to be surrounded by fencing similar to the prison in season 3 of TWD. In some places there do appear to be geographic barriers, for example the cliffs that Alicia dove off. But a megaherd like the one from the quarry at Alexandria would be able to knock down those fences in a few minutes and get through. Walker's community would probably take the approach of hiding quietly indoors and letting them pass. They have no perimeter fence at all, but as long as the horde of undead detected no signs of life from inside any of the structures they would simply flow around them and keep on going. Buildings are only in danger of being demolished by a herd if they're at a chokepoint. Otherwise they take the path of least resistance.

[–] lennonforever (2453) 7 years ago

Don't think there would be herds of walkers in this area. It's isolated.

[–] chrisjdel (2714) 7 years ago

Herds migrate cross country. In the desert you might go for months only seeing the occasional walker here and there; then one day, you look out the window and there's a massive group approaching that stretches off into the distance. As long as you stay hidden and they don't know you're there you should be fine. If you have a lot of livestock that could be a problem though. Anything that brings the herd to stop is bad, because they might stay where they are and just mill around the area without moving on. You'd be trapped inside until something caught their attention and got them moving again.

[–] McQualude (4231) 7 years ago

The Indian had gone batty and believed he was predestined to be a native American messiah. Plus he believed Jeremiah killed his father. "Land" was just an excuse, something to rally behind.

[–] Apis (1624) 7 years ago

I'm not sure if I remember correctly why Jeremiah killed Walker's father, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Indians sold the land to Jeremiah. According to american laws, the land was Jeremiah's property now. He was entitled to put a sign "trespassers will be shot" if he chose to, like many people do. Then indians changed their minds (kept the money though) and started trespassing, killing Jeremiah's cattle and when Jeremiah caught them in action, he killed the brother of Walker's father. When Walker's father came to investigate, Jeremiah killed him as well to cover up the previous murder.

Jeremiah is a cold blooded killer and he's no saint, but seems to me that if indians stayed out of the land that wasn't theirs anymore, none of this would be happening. Aren't they the bad guys in all this land dispute any way you look at it?

[–] lennonforever (2453) 7 years ago

In the moral scheme of things, the Indians were the keepers of the land.

[–] Apis (1624) 7 years ago

In the moral scheme of things, it's also wrong to have your father killed when your enemy suggests that you should do it.

[–] lennonforever (2453) 7 years ago

They were looking at the bigger picture.

[–] kaze (349) 6 years ago

They were evil @lennonforever

[–] kaze (349) 6 years ago

Jeremiah was NOT a cold blooded killer. He killed indian thugs who violated his land and property. The only cold blooded murder was Nick shooting Jeremiah.