philosophical issues related to crises of faith and the unbelief
Anyone want to tackle the subject of the second calling?
PHILOSOPHERS like CAMUS and NIETZSCHE have tackled this kind of a problem before.
Basically the EXISTENTIALIST like CAMUS suggest that
it's better to DO SOMETHING simply because it's the RIGHT thing to do,
and
NOT do it because you expect to be REWARDED for doing it or to be PUNISHED for not doing it.
In other words, THE POPE and GOD are also in the ROLE of being a PARENT to others.
But the time also comes when one shouldn't need a PARENT to GUIDE them anymore.
And one should also become their OWN PARENT, and be able to GUIDE themselves whenever it comes to doing what's right and what's wrong.
REWARDS and PUNISHMENTS are for CHILDREN.
One should do GOOD THINGS for the SAKE of GOODNESS itself and NOT because they expect a REWARD for doing it.
The CARDINAL who takes care of the HANDICAP boy, for example, does it for this reason and NOT because he's being REWARDED for it or expects to be.
And
isn't doing something for the SAKE of GOODNESS itself also a MORE ADMIRABLE position to be in than if one does something because they EXPECT to receive a REWARD for doing it???
THE MADMAN who threw down his LATERN was also saying the SAME THING when he suggested that WE OURSELVES MUST BECOME GODS (or PARENTS to ourselves).
http://historyguide.org/europe/madman.htmlTHE MADMAN
Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market place, and cried incessantly:
"I seek God! I seek God!" --
As many of those who did not believe in God were standing around just then, he provoked much laughter.
Has he got lost? asked one. Did he lose his way like a child? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? emigrated? -- Thus they yelled and laughed.
The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes.
"Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you. We have killed him -- you and I. All of us are his murderers.
But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing?
Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition? Gods, too, decompose.
God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.
"How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us?
Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us -- for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto."
Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners; and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment.
At last he threw his lantern on the ground, and it broke into pieces and went out.
"I have come too early," he said then; "my time is not yet.
This tremendous event is still on its way, still wandering; it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time; the light of the stars requires time; deeds, though done, still require time to be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than most distant stars -- and yet they have done it themselves.
It has been related further that on the same day the madman forced his way into several churches and there struck up his requiem aeternam deo. Led out and called to account, he is said always to have replied nothing but:
"What after all are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchers of God?"
Source: Friedrich Nietzsche, The Gay Science (1882, 1887) para. 125; Walter Kaufmann ed. (New York: Vintage, 1974), pp.181-82.]
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BluFee
8 years ago
And how does this address the issue of my question on the second calling or did I miss the boat? Granted you have made some interesting and valid points, xxpo.
I never studied philosophy and while of interest, Neietzsche confounds me and scares me all at the same time.
"Absence is presence". - Pius XIII (Lenny Belardo)
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xxpo
8 years ago
http://www.online-literature.com/yeats/780/
The Second Coming
TURNING and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
how does this address the issue of my question on the second calling or did I miss the boat? Granted you have made some interesting and valid points, xxpo.
THE MADMAN who threw down his LATERN saying WE OURSELVES MUST BECOME GODS (or PARENTS to ourselves) is THE SECOND COMING.
http://historyguide.org/europe/madman.htmlTHE MADMAN
Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market place, and cried incessantly:
"I seek God! I seek God!" --
As many of those who did not believe in God were standing around just then, he provoked much laughter.
Has he got lost? asked one. Did he lose his way like a child? asked another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? emigrated? -- Thus they yelled and laughed.
The madman jumped into their midst and pierced them with his eyes.
"Whither is God?" he cried; "I will tell you. We have killed him -- you and I. All of us are his murderers.
But how did we do this? How could we drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving? Away from all suns? Are we not plunging continually? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there still any up or down? Are we not straying, as through an infinite nothing?
Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is not night continually closing in on us? Do we not need to light lanterns in the morning? Do we hear nothing as yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we smell nothing as yet of the divine decomposition? Gods, too, decompose.
God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him.
"How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us?
Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
There has never been a greater deed; and whoever is born after us -- for the sake of this deed he will belong to a higher history than all history hitherto."
Here the madman fell silent and looked again at his listeners; and they, too, were silent and stared at him in astonishment.
At last he threw his lantern on the ground, and it broke into pieces and went out.
"I have come too early," he said then; "my time is not yet.
This tremendous event is still on its way, still wandering; it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time; the light of the stars requires time; deeds, though done, still require time to be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than most distant stars -- and yet they have done it themselves.
It has been related further that on the same day the madman forced his way into several churches and there struck up his requiem aeternam deo. Led out and called to account, he is said always to have replied nothing but:
"What after all are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchers of God?"
Source: Friedrich Nietzsche, The Gay Science (1882, 1887) para. 125; Walter Kaufmann ed. (New York: Vintage, 1974), pp.181-82.]
He's saying WE KILLED GOD by the way we MISBEHAVE.
LOOK at the WAY they TROLL him.
LAUGH at him because HE SEEKS GOD.
In
THUS SPOKE ZARATHUSTRA there's also talk of an OVERMAN:
As APE is to MAN, so shall MAN be to the OVERMAN.
1. APE
2. MAN
3. OVER MAN
The problem is how THE OVER MAN STATE of being is also a TEMPORARY STATE of BEING like THIS:
1. ID
2. EGO
3. SUPER EGO
Where the SUPER EGO state is also like the TEMPORARY TWILIGHT STATE between DAY and NIGHT before one MORPHS right back into another STATE again.
There's also this to consider as well:
<b>
1. OLD TESTY GOD (EYE for an EYE/ TOOTH for a TOOTH GANGSTER STUFF)
2. NEW TESTY GOD (TURN the other cheek STUFF)
3. HOLY TRINITY or SPIRIT
Which is also like this:
1. THESIS
2. ANTI THESIS
3. SYNTHESIS
PLATO saw it this way:
1. BAD HORSE
2. CHARIOT DRIVER
3. GOOD HORSE
And this way:
[b]1. LITTLE DEVIL on our shoulder WHISPERS what to do in our EAR
2. US
3. LITTLE ANGEL on our other shoulder WHISPERS what to do in our other EAR.
</b>
And there we are ...
STUCK in the MIDDLE ...
with CLOWNS to left of us and JOKERS to the RIGHT:
[b]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=surb8FzjWfgTrying to make some sense of it all,
But I can see that it makes no sense at all,
Is it cool to go to sleep on the floor,
'Cause I don't think that I can take anymore
Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you.
In order to MAKE SENSE of it all we also need to go back to GENESIS or to the BEGINNING of it all.
Where EVE got SEDUCED by the SNAKE, which also left us as BEINGS who have BOTH the BLOOD of CHRIST and SATAN flowing through our VEINS now.
Thus also leaving us with SLIT PERSONALITIES due to the way that we have both an ANIMAL NATURE and an OVER MAN nature at the SAME TIME.
And ZARATHUSTRA also says that MUCH of us is still also WORM as well.
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BluFee
8 years ago
Ok well that'll teach me.
While I appreciate the level of effort you put into your post, xxpo I am intellectually disabled at this point.
I was hoping for a level of discussion far more appropriate to the thread and subject. Perhaps someone else could take a swing at this? 😉
"Absence is presence". - Pius XIII (Lenny Belardo)
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xxpo
8 years ago
I am intellectually disabled at this point
The ANCIENT GREEKS also put it this way:
1. APOLLO: (the
SUN GOD) GOD or ORDER/HARMONY/ BALANCE
2. DIOYNSIS: ( the
MOON GOD) GOD OF DISORDER/LACK of HARMONY/ UNBALANCE
And the CATHOLIC CHURCH also has situations where they ALLOW for the WORSHIP of DIONYSIS.
Because they also realize how TOO MUCH WORK and NO PLAY or VACATION TIME can also lead to CHAOS.
How's that???
Any better???
Or are the GRAMMATICAL EJACULATIONS also still way too COPIUS for one's diminutive comprehension???
AND there's also TOLSTOY who has one of his characters pointing out to us how the BIBLE says:
BEHOLD I COME QUICKLYeven though the person that we're expecting to show up is also LATE by about 2,000 YEARS???
And Heaven HELP US if LENNY's also suppose to be the one that we've been waiting for!!!
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