The part where we see him PRACTICE in front of the MIRROR makes one wonder if that might be the case, and if we're watching a BOOK VERSION of SPENCER in his YOUNGER DAYS???
In a NOVEL called UNDER THE VOLCANO, for example, the OLDER MAN and YOUNGER MAN in that story were also THE SAME MAN even though they're also presented to us as being DIFFERENT CHARACTERS.
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NO!! LOL
What is the color of the sky on your planet by the way?
"It is not the critic who counts...." - T. Roosevelt
Sometimes it's PINK.
Sometimes it's BLUE.
At night it's BLACK.
Sometimes it's GRAY.
It all depends upon the CIRCUMSTANCES at the time when one is asked that question.
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No. I do not see that.
Spencer has an equal amount of love and resentment for Lenny. It is too bad he let his personal disappointment get in the way of mentoring Lenny who could have maybe been a legacy for Spencer and a tribute to his memory. As it is Spencer is weak and arrogant in a way that does not befit a man of his stature nor age. He was not worthy to be Pope by any stretch of the imagination. It remains to be seen if Spencer redeems himself in 9 & 10.
"Absence is presence". - Pius XIII (Lenny Belardo)
SPENCER even calls LENNY the YOUNG SPENCER.
Could LENNY be the result of a NUN and PRIEST having an affair???
Because we also see ESTHER with the PRIEST???
Could it be possible SISTER MARY and SPENCER could even be that COUPLE???
And what happens before and after the POPE PASSED OUT???
Someone asked a QUESTION about that scene and the MUSIC make me lose consciousness because it's also the kind one listens to prior to falling asleep.
So if someone could please explain what happens in that scene one would also appreciate it very much.
Last thing one recalls is LENNY saying ESTHER didn't perceive the SPEECH CORRECTLY and her saying she did.
Then one saw something WHITE and WOKE UP to see LENNY LAYING in her LAP before he has the other VISION of the other YOUNG COUPLE he chased onto a BOAT and asked them what their names were as it leaves the dock.
So this couple must also be the INSPIRATION for the VISIONS he sees whenever he remembers his PARENTS???
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Are you capable of understanding the concept of figures of speech?
Calling someone "a young XY" is meant to compare someone to someone else, maybe in regards to talent or opinion. It does not mean that XY was banging a nun and the other person really is XY's son.
At the time he said YOUNG SPENCER the thought didn't occur that he might be the SON of SPENCER.
That idea didn't develop until later on when one discovered ESTHER was also having the affair with the PRIEST.
Try to also remember EP. 6 was the FIRST ONE watched, then 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, and 8.
And EP 3 wasn't watched until today.
And here's the COUPLE AGAIN ON THE boat with a NOW GROWN UP LENNY STANDING there at the DOCK.
What on EARTH happened in VENICE???
SISTER MARY also began to talk about it but LENNY CUT her off.
WITHOUT GOD YOU ARE STRAYS WANDERING THE STREET
when you've found GOD
PERHAPS you'll see me as well.
How DARE YOU SHINE A LIGHT UPON YOUR POPE.
i DON'T KNOW IF YOU DESERVE ME
ARE WORTHY OF ME.
Lennys says Mary was 20 when he was in the orphanage so she would have been 12 when he was born, so no, just no.
shareTHE MOTHER of a friend who is now deceased had a child when she was 12.
Later on she had 4 other kids, but no one knew about this other son until he was grown, his adopted parents died, and he placed an AD in a local paper searching for his birth mother.
So YES.
It could also be possible she had him at age 12.
Especially IF she was also attacked by someone the way the mother of this friend was when she got pregnant.
BLU:
SINCE this is also MY TOPIC, it's also RUDE to LECTURE the person who began it for TAKING IT OFF TOPIC.
And it's even MORE RUDE to suggest they are DELUSIONAL, when you also seem to have NO UNDERSTANDING of what watching a SURREALISTIC story involves.
And when the TOPIC also belongs to the person who began it, and they also have NO OBJECTION to it GOING off topic, then you also shouldn't concern yourself about it.
If this was YOUR TOPIC, FINE, but it's not.
One also begins to wonder what it is that one says that seems to keep TRIGGERING SOMETHING in you to bring forth such HOSTILE replies from you.
So that's also a QUESTION you might wish to ask yourself.
TRY to also remember that no one is intentionally saying something to upset you.
Also hope you enjoy yourself over there at REDDIT.
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So Spencer had sex with her when she was 11, she had the child, then whatever happend and 8 years later by coincidence he arrives at the orphanage she works in and then by coincidence Spencer becomes his mentor? Or one or both of them thought it is a good idea to have him being mentored by rapist-daddy? Are you actually reading the stuff you are suggesting?
shareZ:
No.
One isn't saying they had sex at age 11.
But CHILD RAPE is also a THEME in this show.
And apparently whatever it is that happened in VENICE was the way LENNY seems to have LATCHED onto this COUPLE and assumed they were his PARENTS???
Something also happened at the home of the CUSTODIAN.
Because LENNY tells ANDREW he doesn't want to talk about it.
And we also know the son took care of his DYING MOTHER.
Which may also indicate LENNY doesn't care to remember what happened because maybe it reminds him of what happened to his mother???
These thoughts are also what's called BRAIN STORMING and are being typed while one watches the MARATHON, so one also hasn't really THOUGHT about them as DEEPLY or as PROFOUNDLY as you have.
The EDIT process will happen later on when one isn't MULTI TASKING.
WOW!!!
HOW DID I MISS THIS BEFORE:
THE REASON for our visit is you have BUSTED OUR BALLS???
Did he HALLUCINATE that scene or were they REALLY THERE???
BLU:
Please let me ASSURE you WE'VE NEVER MET before.
And whatever happened between you and the other person you mention also has NOTHING to do with what's going on now.
Try to CALM DOWN.
No one is out to get you or upset you.
You are doing that to yourself by JUMPING TO FALSE CONCLUSIONS and by FLINGING FALSE UNFOUNDED ACCUSATIONS.
And with a PROFILE that indicates you've only been a member here for ONE WEEK, one also suspects your TROLL accusations are PROJECTIONS that apply MOSTLY to YOU YOURSELF.
Here's another SUGGESTION for you.
SIMPLY use the IGNORE OPTION.
That way you also won't see anything else that's said again and it also won't keep upsetting you anymore.
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If this was YOUR TOPIC, FINE, but it's not.
I am going to limit my comments to posts and questions that make sense and move away from far-fetched and far-flung scenarios that in no way relate to the topic of discussion. There is going off topic and there is being out in another delusional dimension most of us resist for sanity's sake.
I'll be visiting Reddit for a bit.
"Absence is presence". - Pius XIII (Lenny Belardo)
nope, not a chance, none whatsoever
shareEven LENNY REFERS to SPENCER as being what he calls his SPIRITUAL FATHER.
So that would also make SISTER MARY his SPIRITUAL MOTHER.
And that also MAKES both of them HIS PARENTS SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING.
THUS also NEGATING what you say about there being NO CHANCE, NONE WHATSOEVER of there being a RELATION between them.
SISTER MARY'S NIGHT SHIRT was also pretty funny.
The one that says she's a VIRGIN.
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He was Lenny's mentor. Nothing more.....
shareThe answer is to the question if Spencer and Lenny are the same person. It has nothing to do with a spiritual relationship (and calling Spencer his spiritual father does not automatically make Mary his spiritual mother) or your ludicrous rape story.
shareAs you may recall, the PLOT was to ELECT LENNY because they were afraid SPENCER would be too CONSERVATIVE for them.
And then when LENNY discovered he'd been ELECTED so they could MANIPULATE him and USE HIM as their PUPPET TOY,
LENNY then becomes EVEN MORE CONSERVATIVE than his MENTOR as a way to PAY THEM back.
And they also accused MARY of being a CO POPE, at which point LENNY then began to DISTANCE himself from her.
You may not see the way she kept saying WE this and WE that as being LIKE MINDED to LENNY, but she's also been a PART of his UPBRINGING and EDUCATION as well.
So whether you like it or not, one still feels the SPIRTUAL PARENTS label is an accurate one that still applies.
GOD PARENTS might be still another way to LABEL it, but as far as we know they were also not officially chosen by the BIO PARENTS to assume that role for LENNY.
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She says "we", he doesn't. Not everybody who has a part in someone's upbringing is their spiritual parent.
Yes she was the one who said WE, but LENNY was also the ONE WHO DEFIES VIOELLO who kept insisting that LENNY chose someone else and not make MARY his ASSISTANT.
And she also SLEEPS right NEXT to LENNY so that he can go to her anytime of the DAY or NIGHT.
And he also has her SPYING on EVERYTHING VIOELLO does for him.
He also FORCED her to give that PRESS SPEECH for him as well even though she didn't want to because he didn't want to address the questions that she didn't know how to answer.
The reason he CHOSE her is because he obviously also TRUST her more than he does VIOELLO or anyone else.
But she's also BETRAYED that TRUST by getting VIOELLO to have LENNY sign some papers because she's also AFRAID that what LENNY'S DOING will DESTORY the CHURCH she said she LOVES more than herself.
So you can twist and turn the situation around anyway you like, but IMO, she's definitely his SPIRTUAL GUIDE or someone he goes to for ADVICE just like SPENCER.
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Yeah sure I am the one who is twisting and turning...
He just met Voiello (and I am sure his reputation precedes him), he would probably trust a random stranger on the street more ^^
She says "we", he doesn't. Not everybody who has a part in someone's upbringing is their spiritual parent.
Yeah, I realise that you don't know what you are talking about, no matter if time passed or not ^^
By now? I tried to be tolerant but this poster is a troll in the purest sense of the word. Goes off on extreme tangents purposefully. Hijacks all threads with nonsense and then uses passive aggressive shots at those who don't appreciate them. Trolls have huge appetites.
Don't feed the wildlife!
"Absence is presence". - Pius XIII (Lenny Belardo)
Pius XIII would bless your post and add an Amen, Blu!
Ok found the post, and yes LENNY just met VOIELLO. But one also gets the feeling even IF he'd known him for some time LENNY would still have insisted MARY be his ASSISTANT.
Also thought some more about this other matter:
WOW!!!
HOW DID I MISS THIS BEFORE:
THE REASON for our visit is you have BUSTED OUR BALLS???
Did he HALLUCINATE that scene or were they REALLY THERE???
I'm confused by this post. There are many scenes where they both appear. Some of these scenes include many other people. Are you saying that one or the other could be imaginary in those scenes?
shareI'm confused by this post. There are many scenes where they both appear. Some of these scenes include many other people. Are you saying that one or the other could be imaginary in those scenes?
You ask "is it possible Spencer is the Younger Lenny?" I looked in the credits and the only "Spencer" I see is Cardinal Spencer played by the great James Cromwell. So are you saying that Lenny is really a younger version of Spencer and the scenes in which they're together one of them is imaginary? Or is there another Spencer who is younger than Lenny and you think may actually be a young version of Lenny? Was the boy running after Lenny's parents (which may be either a real recollection or a mere dream in the first place) ever referred to as "Spencer?" I read your posts, XXPO, and get the feeling you're kind of an eccentric sort. That's not a criticism, merely an observation.
shareI think eccentric is a very nice way to put it. And I wouldn't hold my breath for a clear answer...
shareOh. Ok.
Thanks or the CLARIFICATION.
So are you saying that Lenny is really a younger version of Spencer and the scenes in which they're together one of them is imaginary?
ONE an OLDER MANAnd the OLDER and YOUNGER MEN are also there to REPRESENT the SAME CHARACTER.
ONE a YOUNGER MAN
Or is there another Spencer who is younger than Lenny and you think may actually be a young version of Lenny?
Was the boy running after Lenny's parents (which may be either a real recollection or a mere dream in the first place) ever referred to as "Spencer?" I read your posts, XXPO, and get the feeling you're kind of an eccentric sort. That's not a criticism, merely an observation.
I wouldn't hold my breath for a clear answer...
Oh. Ok.
Thanks or the CLARIFICATION.
So are you saying that Lenny is really a younger version of Spencer and the scenes in which they're together one of them is imaginary?
ONE an OLDER MANAnd the OLDER and YOUNGER MEN are also there to REPRESENT the SAME CHARACTER.
ONE a YOUNGER MAN
Or is there another Spencer who is younger than Lenny and you think may actually be a young version of Lenny?
Was the boy running after Lenny's parents (which may be either a real recollection or a mere dream in the first place) ever referred to as "Spencer?" I read your posts, XXPO, and get the feeling you're kind of an eccentric sort. That's not a criticism, merely an observation.
I wouldn't hold my breath for a clear answer...