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SPOILER - What did Ellie suspect?

posted 2 years ago by brux (14724)
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After Ellie's safety and life was threatened and Joel could not go very much about it, all of a sudden in this episode he turns into a mother hen. Something about it seems clumsy. It was logical, but it felt a little like they were trying to lean too far over one way to set us up for the snap back the other way.

Once they reached the medical team, the things that seemed to me so wrong and rushed were
1. They had this theory about how Ellie was immune - but it was only a theory.
2. They were rushing into doing something undoable and destructive right away with no consideration for either Ellie or Joel. That seemed not easy to buy.
3. They took the time to explain to Joel under circumstances where they did not restrain him - thus leading to the massacre of all.
4. Joel did kill everyone there, but thanks to the unbelievable set up it was justifiable, though they make him out to be a psycho.
5. The belief was that Ellie would be happy to willingly die for just a slim chance that this medical theory was right. And even Joel seemed to believe that.
6. On their way exiting the complex and going home Joel's completely changed. He is talking about his daughter and more or less gushing over Ellie.
7. Considering that Ellie asked him to swear that what happened at the complex was as he had described ... how did she get that idea?
8. Considering the manner of Joel's response to Ellie's question of swearing - he seemed to take a while, whereas a really good liar might have acted surprised or even a bit offended, or confused as to why Ellie would ask him that.
9. Finally, are we supposed to know that Ellie does not believe him.

Of course the biggest question is what happened to the outer parts of Ellie's eyebrows. I didn't notice it before but her eyebrows are like a cartoon character's.

Does anyone know if they plan another season of this show? What did people think of this show/season. I guess the best I can say about it is that it was watchable, and part of it were good, but a lot of clumsy offputting moments for me.

[–] TrentnQuarantino (9187) 2 years ago

I wanted to see what people think of the finale, and this show in general. I'd probably rate it a 4/10, but I have to give them credit for the way that they movie the plot along through some pretty clumsy moments. There was nothing really here but the suspense of wondering what is going to happen next, and the violence and threat of violence. A cheap story, like one would get in a video game. Personally I'd rather play Mx. Pacman.

I found this online, saying they plan a second season:
The show's creators have already confirmed that The Last of Us season 1 will cover the entirety of the first computer game. Season 2 will cover the sequel, although showrunner Craig Mazin hinted that they may need more than one season to cover all the events in the second game.

I am sure they will try to run it as long as they can get paid.

[–] brux (14724) 2 years ago

I'd wonder if they can or would continue the situation between Joel and Ellie that season 1 ended with? That was just too weird. Joel in this imaginary world of trying to make Ellie into his daughter, and Ellie is too smart not to notice something, and she asked Joel about what really happened and Joel sticks to that ridiculous story. It was weird.

[–] TrentnQuarantino (9187) 2 years ago

I guess we have to wait to find out. I wonder that too.

[–] [deleted] 2 years ago

Joel was worried about Ellie's mental health due to her having to become a murderous animal the previous episode. That's why he was coming on so strong with the care bear approach.

[–] moviebuff00 (823) 2 years ago

joel killing everyone there completely destroyed his character. he IS a psycho.

[–] jinker (75) 2 years ago

Not a psycho, more of a totally focused killing machine. I liked how he finished every one of them off, especially, the one who kept shoving him in the back as they walked down the stairs, so no one was coming after them later.

[–] brux (14724) 2 years ago

Strategically, I think he had to do that once he decided he was going to fight - it's gotta be scorched earth. And of course the stupid plot pushed him into having to do that with justification.

I mean, they grab Ellie, and in minutes decide they have to kill the one person who is immune - which is the most idiotic decision possible, and they will don't bother to discuss it or wince at the fact that they are murdering an innocent kid.

No, Joel was justified in his action. What was weird is how he is now sort of taking ownership of Ellie. The dynamic and relationship between the two is really weird. Joel is now all gushy and talkative about his daughter, and totally nonchalant about taking over Ellie's life. That didn't make sense to me or feel natural or right. Now Joel is in psycho mode it seems like.

It's a TV show, but I don't think this makes sense psychologically, but we have to accept it because it is a TV show and that is what happens, or you quit watching.

[–] Ldlamb (639) 2 years ago

Maybe I need to watch again…but it seemed to me that this was always their plan from the beginning…they just didn’t tell Joel or Ellie…it didn’t seem like a rushed decision to me.

The dumb part was that they didn’t drug Joel or something until after the procedure was over.

[–] brux (14724) 2 years ago

What made you think it was their plan to begin with?
I could accept that as a theory, but I see no basis for it.
Perhaps I am missing something.

Now, if I were a writer on the team here, I would say,
the fungus attacks the brain of the victim, so we have
to biopsy Ellie's brain and there is a chance that she
could die, and then they talk about it.

The idea that they could do such research in burned out
building, and then analyze and extract whatever compound
Ellie has in her brain and then reproduce it, and distribute
it globally from there is so absurd as to be ridiculous.

But, the bottom line is that I don't think Joel should have
lied to Ellie about what happened, or he should have said,
we'll discuss it when we get to safety.

TV show use this kind of fake suspense to keep people on
the edge of their seats all the time, and then use ridiculous
violence of luck to explain how they get out of these messes.