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7 episodes in. Show still doesn't tell us why Fedra is bad. Fireflies are idiots


From all I can see is they are the only ones that hold places like this together. Because common people are too stupid to held working society in apocalypse. And they need Strong Hand to manage them.

For 20 years Fedra helps saving civilization. Those idiot people have freaking electricity and food. And live in real flats in cities instead of running all day from zombies and searching for food. They even have city lights. They have jobs.

And Fireflies look like terrorists-lunatics. Kansas fell like 1 week after Fireflies kicked out Fedra.

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A detail - but the group who overthrew the group in Kansas were not the fireflies.

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Weren’t they? I thought they were. Didn't they mentioned that Fireflies are in other cities too?

Anyway it was just copy of them. Fireflies are basically group of people who dont like how harsh Fedra has things going and they want to overthrown them. Basically similar group of people succeeded in Kansas and overthrow Fedra, killing them all. Then those idiots unleashed horde of zombies who surely went running into city. That horde took out all those military rebels in a second. Absolutely same will happen of Fireflies will take that QZ where Joel and Ellie lived.

Fedra can have things harsh. But its for a reason. Because people are stupid. Fedra hold cities for 20 years. People like Riley and those stupid Fireflies dont appreciate it. They are like some stupid teenagers-activist who think they know better.

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I can see how you would fit in FEDRA.

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I can see how you would create a perfect democracy amid apocalypse. You would find people who share your views. You would all build fence outside cities and then inside you would create utopia with all the rights the democracy gives. You would have fair police, prosecutor's office, courts. Independent journalism. Elections where only good politician would be elected. You would have a social justice and all right would be respected. No one would have to work, they would chill and have fun. Food would just magically appear.....

With that Katherine thing we saw what happens when local "Fireflies" win. Those who seek justice and better life with no authoritarian people. They become even more crazy and kill everyone they dont like with no court and lawyers. They create same dictatorship regime and eventually destroy what was build before them.

Fireflies in Joel town would be no different. They would take power and then find out that people dont want to work for community when no one forces them and pays them with "money" they can exchange for something. They would just go and steal. And then there would be no food and no electricity. Town would go into anarchy. So Fireflies would have to start doing what Fedra was doing - they would create police force and make people to behave and work. Otherwise town would just collapse and people would starve.

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It was heavily implied that Fedra did kill a lot of innocent people right from the infection start to prevent the spread. First episode when soldier tried to kill Joel and killed her daughter when they were not infected. Also they said they do public hanging of people who try to escape the safe zone etc. After 20 years people feel that the infected died down a little bit and more freedom should be provided.

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I feel like hanging was for people like Joel and Tess who were wandering in and out for no reason and could get infected and bring it inside and infect whole town. I see no problem with that, people are that stupid. You either go out and dont come back or be killed. But to go inside and out like Tess and Joel were doing in unacceptable and irresponsible. We saw how Tess was infected. If she would not notice or would not want to die and go back - there would be outbreak inside the city.

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Something was mentioned in an earlier ep. of how Fedra was like a dictatorship.
Other than that I sorta agree with you in that we don't know of how bad places really are with them running it.
If or when Fireflies do take over a QZ, do they do it any better?
We need more examples from both sides to see which one is worse than the other, if at all.

It looks like no matter who is running things there would always be some uncomfortable disagreement with it and would rebel.

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