Making Joel's daughter black and Tommy's wife black - The Last of Us (2023) Discussion

[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Why does the race of a character that lasted half an episode (Joels daughter) matter so fucking much?

Genuinely weird obsession.

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[–] Mister Babadook (2685) 2 years ago

Who's obsessed? just pointing out the pointless need to race swap a character to fit an agenda. And i only brought her up cause i saw Tommy's wife was now black all of a sudden, so that was two characters they turned black for no reason other than forced diversity.

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[–] tom8 (3119) 2 years ago

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[–] Effie21 (108) 2 years ago

Because certain people cannot stand there being any brown people in movies and tv shows. They are ok with the browns keeping themselves to BET and such, but casting in major movies and shows is hurting their delicate sensibilities. I am so tired of these fucking whine bags. I can guarantee this guy has bitched at least once about the girl who was cast in the new Little Mermaid. All these right winger's have is culture wars because they certainly have no policy ideas or any ideas at all for that matter.

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[–] chefao (426) 2 years ago

And we're tired of you. Maybe we could go our separate ways?

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[–] Effie21 (108) 2 years ago

Go then. No one is stopping you racist fucks from leaving. Get the fuck out, and stay the fuck out. I will happily keep more of my tax dollars, that are currently going to support shithole red states, right here in my blue state. No one will miss the likes of you, so please, go. Russia is certainly an option for you scumbags since you love Putin's dick so much. Take your ass there and stay.

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[–] chefao (426) 2 years ago

Why should I have to leave my country and my culture that you are trying to destroy?
What we should do is split the country in half and have a national divorce.

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[–] RockAway (1601) a year ago

Maybe if racism is part of your culture then it's time for you to evolve.

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[–] Brent212 (59) 2 years ago

Bye, Felicia.

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[–] Brent212 (59) 2 years ago

"All these right winger's have is culture wars because they certainly have no policy ideas or any ideas at all for that matter."

NAILED IT
All these little snowflakes do is cry about being triggered day in, day out. Fuck their feelings.

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[–] cyguration (3951) 2 years ago

Why does the race of a character that lasted half an episode (Joels daughter) matter so fucking much?

Because that's how she was originally written.

You change that and it's not longer Sarah from the game.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

And yet the creators, Naughty Dog, helped make the TV show. They don't seem bothered. Why the fuck should anyone else be?

Are you also angry about the casting of Ellie, and that Joel is hispanic because he's played by Pedro Pascal?

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[–] cyguration (3951) 2 years ago

Are you also angry about the casting of Ellie, and that Joel is hispanic because he's played by Pedro Pascal?

Yes, actually.... which is why I don't watch the show.

And yet the creators, Naughty Dog, helped make the TV show. They don't seem bothered. Why the fuck should anyone else be?

Because they don't have any artistic integrity.

Remember when J.K. Rowling magically made one character gay and then retconned another character to be black? That's lacking artistic integrity. It's not impossible for artists to sully their own work, as evident with The Last of Us.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

It's a massive hit. The race of the characters in the roles of TLOU aren't really relevant to their characterisation.

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[–] cyguration (3951) 2 years ago

That argument could be made for anything really? Like I always say, you could make Black Panther White and have him adopted by the Wakandans, and now his race isn't that important, right?

Also, Michael Bay makes plenty of massive hits but some of those movies are terrible.

At the end of day, if the characters were originally written to be black and Hispanic you would have a point, and no one would bat an eye. But purposely race-swapping the characters completely destroys the artistic integrity of the property.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

It completely depends on the relevancy of their race.

Admiral Souther in the Expanse was race-swapped to black in the TV show. It was completely irrelevant because it had nothing relevant to do with his character.

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6126) 2 years ago

Good luck getting through to cyguration. This is a guy who dismissed the batman because Selina Kyle/Catwoman wasn't white. Want proof? Here you go. https://moviechat.org/tt1877830/The-Batman/61cdad1fa8e1e32d6e3c69f5/Pavlovs-Racism

If it ain't white it ain't right. That's basically his motto.

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[–] LanceDance (1312) 2 years ago

If it ain't white it ain't right. That's basically his motto.

Except he literally said in his OP here:

i wouldn't want them making Henry and Sam white

I've also seen him say elsewhere that he doesn't support any race-changing at all. He's just been calling out Hollywood's motto: If it ain't black, take it back.

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6126) 2 years ago

A race swap only matters if the character's race is essential. For example if you are portraying Abraham Lincoln he obviously needs to be portrayed by someone white. If you are portraying Malcolm X obviously he needs to be black. Nothing about Catwoman's race is essential to her character. Same goes for Joel or many of the characters in the Last of Us. Before you strike I will launch a preemptive strike. Go ahead change Black panther to white or Blade to white I do not care. I care if the film they make is good period end of subject. A swap I could not care less about so long as the race is not essential.

Also that motto does not seem to suit your narrative since most actors/actresses in Hollywood are white. So um how does that motto apply to Hollywood when whites make up the majority? That is like me saying if it ain't white it ain't right about the NBA when blacks make up the majority. Try again bud.

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[–] LanceDance (1312) 2 years ago

A race swap always matters, whether it's essential to the character or not. If a character was written that way from the start, and/or has been that way for the majority of his or her existence, then changing the the race changes the character. It'd be the same thing if the character's gender was swapped, or was made significantly younger or older, or had the name changed.

The number of white actors/actresses is irrelevant to this discussion, if demographics actually mattered to Hollywood, we wouldn't be having talking about this right now. We've had a surge of black-washed characters in the last 5-10 years, whether the character's race was essential to them or not, whether the character existed or not. That motto summarizes modern Hollywood perfectly. Meanwhile your disingenuous attempts to mis-portray cyguration's arguments against race-washing are easily debunkable. Try again, bud.

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6126) 2 years ago

Nope it doesn't matter only to closed minded folks like yourself does it matter. Characters go through changes overtime constantly. It's dumb to assume there is only one way to interpret a character, it's not true there are many ways. Eartha Kitt portrayed Catwoman way back in the 60s, in the Year one comic of batman Catwoman was not white.

Absolutely it's relevant to the discussion. Even in current day whites are the majority in Hollywood. So the if it's black take it back has no relevance. Also if race swapping bothers him so bad where is his outrage about Tiger Lily being white washed in the movie Pan? Funny why is he quiet about that? I thought all swaps bothered him? Oh yeah only if it's a white character being changed. Try again bud.

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[–] LanceDance (1312) 2 years ago

Nope I'm not close minded, I'm just speaking common sense. Eartha Kitt played a different Catwoman just like Halle Berry did. In Year One Catwoman she was definitely white, I'm not sure why people keep pretending she's not. I own the comic and, while it's been a while, I've read it several times, and subsequent comics in the same continuity also portrayed her as white, just with longer hair.

The number of white actors is completely irrelevant. Black-washing has been on the rise whether the character's race is “essential” or not, that's an easily verifiable fact, and many of the same people who complained about white-washing are now giving black-washing a pass because they're racist hypocrites. Kevin Feige recently apologized for white-washing The Ancient One in Doctor Strange, but didn't apologize for black-washing Baron Mordo in the same movie, or black-washing other white characters in the MCU. Try again, bud.

Pan was a flop, most people didn't even see it. The few that did see it complained about white Tiger Lily, look it up. If cyguration saw it, then just ask him about it. He already said he didn't want black characters from Last of Us to be white-washed, which you keep ignoring, so odds are he'd feel the same way about Tiger Lily. But you'd probably ignore that too, because you're disingenuous that way.

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6126) 2 years ago

I own the Year One comic as well. She is most definitely not white in that comic book. If you think that I suggest you get your eyes checked. It is why Zoe Kravitz appears almost as a striking image of the Selina Kyle in that comic book. Just because she was white or traditionally white does it mean it can not be interpreted another way. Seems as to not have affected the Batman at all. The film was a financial success as well a critical success and liked by the mass majority. You are not the sole authority on what people consider to be canon or seen as a Batman story. Get over yourself.

Nope it is completely relevant. It undercuts your point about if ain't black take it back. If that was the case blacks would be the majority in Hollywood. Once they are the majority go ahead and get back to me. Also white washing did not just occur there. It has happened in many other films as well. Honestly I love that it upsets people like you it makes me enjoy the films even more. Do not worry you will be paying for these films and still complaining. I personally do not care if the character is changed either way so long as the race is not essential. I do not complain about whitewashing but since you guys want to complain the other way I need to bring balance. Do not complain about blackwashing and I will not complain about whitewashing got it?

I already asked him about Tiger Lily in Pan. He will not address it. He said he did not want characters whitewashed so that moronic people like yourself would not see through his veiled racism. Thing is idiots like you bought it.

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[–] LanceDance (1312) 2 years ago

I never said I'm the sole authority, stay on topic kid. I'm looking at it right now, she's obviously white, you're the one that needs your eyes checked. If she wasn't white in that comic, then why did follow-up comics in the same continuity also make her white? Besides, I've seen better Catwoman cosplayers than Zoe Kravitz.

"The Batman" made pretty good money, but $700 million in today's superhero-saturated market is rather underwhelming for an A-tier superhero. While you're celebrating that small victory, in reality it's embarrassing when a low-budget Joker movie and C-tier heroes like Aqua Man and Doctor Strange made more money. I don't pay for movies that I don't support, and I'm doing just fine.

I already addressed your invalid argument about white actors. Hollywood is clearly going against demographics just to win internet points. You've hit a dead-end with that and are only going in circles. Either come up with something new or concede, you're only embarrassing yourself by repeating nonsense.

He's already shown multiple times he's against all race-swaps, but you're too obsessed with pushing your "ain't white, ain't right" narrative that you'll bring up some obscure movie nobody remembers as a desperate "aha!" win. You claim you already asked and he hasn't answered. Even if that's true, the evidence is still against you.

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6126) 2 years ago

Yet you are pretending that a character can only ever be portrayed one way. This is a requirement by you, no artist is limited to that. The Long Halloween and Dark Victory were not made by Frank Miller now were they? That explains the change since it is handled by a different creator. I own the comic she is clearly not white. https://i.redd.it/cgktjxsuqb781.jpg Also no I think Kravitz is the best Catwoman to date. Only one who rivals her is Michelle Pfeiffer. It is between her and Kravitz in my book for the best. Thankfully the majority loves her in the role and the film. You are in the minority in thinking she was bad.

All that maters was that it was successful enough for profit and for the studio to make a sequel. Guess what it was and the Batman part 2 is coming. Guess what stuff like Aquaman and Doctor Strange did not get the acclaim The Batman did. I will take a better acclaimed film over a more profitable one. The new planet of the apes trilogy made nowhere near the money something like Rise of Skywalker did yet they were better acclaimed films. Dune made nowhere near the money Star Wars Rise of Skywalker did yet it was the better received film. In the end it was a victory choke on it.

Nope since the majority of Hollywood is white. I debunked this already. Once blacks outnumber whites get back to me. Until then your point is moot.

As I stated before he has shown his racist nature. He even told me it was not ethical for races to marry other races. Whites need to stay with whites and blacks stay with blacks. Anyways though you got educated. The less joy in life for people like you the better. I am glad your entertainment is being destroyed, it is what you deserve. The Batman part two is coming and you will not be getting your way. The fact that you hate the film makes me enjoy it even more.

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[–] LanceDance (1312) 2 years ago

I am glad your entertainment is being destroyed, it is what you deserve.

And the truth slips, oopsies. All that talk about different portrayals was just bs, huh? I already knew that, but now everyone else does too. You don't really enjoy these movies and shows, you just like hate-bait. Quite pitiful, kiddo. Go ahead and keep wasting money on things you don't really enjoy with a fake smile, while the rest of us live happily watching actual good stuff.

LOL! That picture of Selina is obviously just her in moody lighting. You are seriously desperate. Here she is in normal lighting:

https://static0.gamerantimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Batman_Year_One_Selina_Kyle.jpg

As you can see, she's white, like her friend. By your logic, I guess Batman is black too:

https://www.planetebd.com/dynamicImages/album/cover/large/10/52/album-cover-large-10525.jpg

If he really said races shouldn't mix, then that's his choice. I don't mind as long as it's not forced. But that's off-topic. He was still consistent against changing characters unnecessarily, not that you really care what he said anyway. Your mask slipped off and you showed your true colors.

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[–] moviefanatic505 (6126) 2 years ago

Oh no I just get tired of you morons complaining when something is interpreted in a different way. I actually genuinely loved the Batman. No fake smiles here. I think it was the best Batman since The Dark Knight. Actually thing is I love Burton's Batman, Nolan's Batman and now Matt Reeve's Batman. All of them did cool unique things with the character. I love different portrayals even if I have my preference overall. I will spend money on quality entertainment while you and others cry in the corner and miss out on great films. All I have to do to dismantle you being a minority is point to the scoreboard. Feast your eyes to Rottentomatoes, imdb and Metacritic.

It did very well critically and it did well by mass majority of audiences. Actually as it stands right now the Batman is rated higher than any Burton Batman film by critics and massive audiences. I know it is painful that something you do not like can be loved by the majority. A movie does not need your stamp of approval in order to be considered great. Drop that entitled arrogant attitude. From what I see you have garbage taste in cinema. I am glad idiots like you are not in charge of making films. Let the adults make the films sound good? You know nothing about cinematic art.

Lol you are the desperate one. Kravitz looks more like that Selina Kyle than any other Catwoman actress to date. I wonder why that is? Kravitz is almost a spitting image of the Year One comic.

You seriously point to a cover on the comic where he is draped in shadow? Wow dude! https://9gag.com/gag/a91r1KK

Him saying races shouldn't mix exposed his racism. Everything he says from here on out is not credible.

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[–] Bloodworth79 (5687) 2 years ago

If you created something out of your own imagination and people wanted and were changing what you created for strange reasons.
You would be upset.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

I probably wouldn't. But also Naughty Dog are actually involved in the HBO production anyway.

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[–] chefao (426) 2 years ago

If it doesn't matter why do they swap it?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Just going on capable actors around?

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[–] papamihel (1616) 2 years ago

In this particular case it's immaterial.

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[–] emori (3661) 2 years ago

Whats even more funny is that Asians apparently dont exist in their world. Because woke clowns never care about anyone except blacks with their White Savior complex.

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[–] MrMovie (898) 2 years ago

Asians are constantly discriminated against, but nobody cares

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[–] GoldenTemple (274) 2 years ago

I ways assumed it's due to Asia having their own cinema while Africans don't really have a big cinema franchise right apart from some indie films in Africa and South Africa? Don't wanna turn this political despite of course that is what this thread obviously is yet is how I viewed it even though I agree we hardly see Asians in Hollywood rarely and definitely need to even if they have their own overseas major successful productions.

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[–] Effie21 (108) 2 years ago

This shit again? Just go back to bopping your ding dong to Ben Shapiro's girly voice, and wanking your crank to Donny Dotard's fupa and leave the rest of us alone. No one cares about this shit except for people who are racist and are bothered by brown people. Deny it all you want, but you are simply full of shit.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

if whites created the video game, and casted whites in their creation, then the TV show should do the same. if blacks want to go ahead and create something let them do it. there shouldn't have to be token injections of other races into white creations. you don't see whites demanding that a member of NWA has to be white. or, trying to say that black panther's wife should be white do you?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Naughty Dog, the original game team behind TLOU are producers on the TV show.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

just checked, and they're all white.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

So? What I am getting at is that the production team behind the original game obviously don't care

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

it's not up to them. the owners of HBO and all other networks are woke and pushing the race mixing. if they want to be on TV they have to comply.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

I await evidence that they care. It's unlikely they do. This is TV show set in a modern setting, so anyone could be race shifted without having any plot impact.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

whether the producers seem like they don't care or not does not make a difference to me. it is fundamentally silly, and unrealistic. just like I mentioned above, there's no reason to re-make superman with a black lois lane, or to demand that the supremes replace a member with a white woman. or to make jim morrison into a latino in the next doors remake. or to make bruce banner a black man who changes into a black hulk. things should be made how they are envisioned, and woke diversity should not come into play. diversity hires are also hurting our society. instead of the best being hired b/c of their skills, they are now hired b/c they need to fill the diversity quota. again, not natural, and violates survival of the fittest laws.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Superman is an iconic character. I personally wouldn't care if there was some "Black Superman" spinoff though. The characters changed in TLOU aren't - and are not really defined by a certain race or appearance.

There's nothing wrong with any of the actors in TLOU.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

if the characters are not true to the cannon in the game, then it's not how the creator made it. it's not just iconic characters that should stay how the artist envisioned them. so, if my character makes a ton of money, then i keep to keep my race and how I envisioned it? no! my character should stay as how I envisioned it no matter what b/c I created it. like i said, if other races want to make their own type of characters, let them do it within their creative sessions.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Why does the character of Ellie looking nothing like videogame Ellie not bother you then? Why does Pedro Pascal playing Joel not bother you?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

they actually look very close the video game characters.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Ellie looks nothing like her videogame character lol

Pedro Pascal as Joel does, but Pedro Pascal is also hispanic. Why doesn't that bother you?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

they look very close to the characters to me, so i guess we differ there. i never knew he was hispanic, he looks white to me. the same would go for a version of superman. if he looked white, sounded white, and seemed white. then the nationality of his descent would not interfere with the creator's vision of the character would it?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

And on what grounds do you claim that it is the unquestionable vision of the creators that no side character can be race-swapped?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/gaming/2019/09/26/TLOUPII_DEMO_SCREEN_10_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqNJjoeBT78QIaYdkJdEY4CnGTJFJS74MYhNY6w3GNbO8.jpg

Really doesn't look similar.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Also I see you didn't like Episode 3 with Bill and Frank.

You may as well tap out now because Ellie is a lesbian.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

oh ok, i guess i have to tap out b/c i don't like shows pushing butt sex as natural, and because i think creators should be able to keep their visions intact from woke diversity hires. you got me.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

But those were true to the story. Frank & Bill were gay in the original. Ellie was a lesbian in the original. What's the complaint?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

in the game, they kept it "in the closet". i don't have a problem with gays keeping it in the closet. it's when they start to parade around naked at pride marches in front of children where it gets weird. that's the thing about the whole gay thing. they can't just come out of the closet and be normal because they are fundamentally not normal. guys kissing is not normal, buttsex is definitely not normal, and marching naked in public is also not normal.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

This is HBO. HBO has always done sex. Not that you saw much in Bill and Franks episode.

Also, in terms of Ellie - there's a literal sex scene in the game.

that's the thing about the whole gay thing. they can't just come out of the closet and be normal because they are fundamentally not normal. buttsex is not a normal act, and marching naked in public is also not normal.

Oh yeah because straight people never do anal lmao

There are millions of gay people who are normal, average daily people.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

i don't believe straight people should be doing anal either. it is not normal, and spreads disease. i doubt ellie did anal in the game.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

So lesbianism = cool, gay sex = bad

I got that right?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

lesbian sex (so long as it is not anal) does not spread disease.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

So you have no problem with gay women?

Am I getting that right?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

i am saying that i'm against gays parading around in public naked in front of children and gays doing anal that spreads disease. that could apply to either male or female though.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

So what does this have to do with TLOU, which is a mature-rated TV show by HBO?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

i see the forest for the trees. all sick twisted parts of our currently sick society are poisoning the bigger picture of who we are. it doesn't matter if it's rated X, that will just make kids want to watch it more actually.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

How does it poison "who we are", exactly?

Should people not have the right to depict gay people in fiction?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

you don't think that nude men parading around in front of children is poison?

let the gays start their own explicit tv shows, and not hijack others. in this case, the writers of the game tried to keep their gay relationship in the closet, and HBO decided to flash it in our faces. not the original intention of the character, and it was done for woke agenda.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

you don't think that nude men parading around in front of children is poison?

I think any nude people parading around children is poison. But this is not anywhere near a regular occurence, and is completely irrelevant to TLOU.

let the gays start their own explicit tv shows, and not hijack others.

Except that in the original Bill and Frank were gay. That is how they were written.

Why should gay people be segregated from TV? I'm straight. I have no problem seeing them.

in this case, the writers of the game tried to keep their gay relationship in the closet, and HBO decided to flash it in our faces. not the original intention of the character, and it was done for woke agenda.

No, they did not. It was not meant to be subtle. You didn't *see* it in the game, but it was clear they were gay. Ellie even finds Bills gay porno mags just like in the show.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

found this online, and it differs with you. it's not in your face, there's no kissing or laying in bed (implying anal), etc.

Bill’s queerness, then, is far more subtextual in the game than in the show, but is nonetheless still present in the game and remains an important part of his character. The biggest hints towards Bill being a gay man are his relationship to Frank and a certain magazine that Ellie steals from his stash in the church basement, both of which can be missed by players not engaging in optional content or not paying close enough attention.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

That really is not that subtle. Game of Thrones also made Renly and Loras more obvious, but they were still gay in the books. Also:

Why should gay people be segregated from TV? I'm straight. I have no problem seeing them.

And what does your fear of people stripping off in front of children have to do with gay people in mature-rated TV shows?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

like i said, i just have a problem with them laying in bed and implying /depicting anal as normal. if all gay men did was hug, i'd have no issue.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Man, have I got some news with you about a LOT of TV shows in the last 10 years.

Guess what, if a gay couple is shown you can deduce that they're probably having sex.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

so long as two men are not shown in bed, it's fine by me. there's no place for anal in natural clean world.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Many do (or show them in bed together). You are pissing in the wind. And it is normal for gay men in a relationship to have sex.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

it's never normal to have anal sex. that is for body waste to exit. if it were meant for sex our body would not be deigned that way.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Neither is getting vaccines. Or taking painkillers.

Or all sorts of things we do. Who gives a fuck about whether it's natural.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

and those are more reasons why our society is sick. that doens't make it right. a friend works at the hospital where gay men have a line around the hallway everyday to get their meds for butt sex related diseases they have. that is NOT normal!

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

So vaccines are wrong? Medication is wrong?

You'll forgive me if I dismiss your anecdote.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

you'll have to forgive me if i dismiss your notion that vaccines and advil are the same as doing anal

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

But that something is "unnatural" is not a reason for it being morally wrong.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

dude, it's spreading diseases. have you not been paying attention? oand also dancing nake d in front of kids!

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Lots of things can spread disease, or have the potential to do so.

And when did I say anything about defending naked men dancing in front of kids?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

when you're knowingly taking part in an act that can spread disease, that is immoral.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

And it can be done safely. Not that I suspect either of us want to specifically talk about this indepth, but there are many sources about this.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

playing with feces wasn't meant to be something you try to make "safe". people who think that playing with feces is normal have a mental disorder. playing with feces is one of the most abnormal things you can do.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

So you simply don't think that a gay male couple should have the right to have sex.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

correct. maybe they could just do oral or something?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

You think the state should stop them?

"Small government", eh?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

no, i don't think the government should stop them. i think they should stop on their own. now there is a story of a teacher that was teaching kids about buttplugs. that's b/c they came out of the closet with this crap. so, step 1 in my opinion would be for them to go back into the closet.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

What do you mean "go back into the closet", in a legal sense? What should happen?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

the whole gay marriage thing sorta started it. we gave em an inch, and they took a mile. they went from just wanting gay marriage to now wanting to literally teach 9 year olds about anal sex in schools.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

That's not an answer. What should happen in a legal sense to gay rights?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

i said what should happen. we never should have given them the marriage thing. after that the flood-gates were opened. before that they were in the closet, and things were fine. movies were not ruined too much then either. times were good. now, they are brazen, and even making videos about how they're coming for the kids next:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wtW221ViiL60/

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

So is that it? Just removing gay marriage? Nothing else?

And this bitchute video is an obvious troll video lol

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

but it's not a troll. they are adding teaching kids about anal sex and butt plugs to the school curriculum now. they are also dancing naked in front of kids at their "pride" parades. they are literally targeting kids just like they say in the video.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Dude, it's a music video where they sing "we're coming for your children". It's designed to upset you. It's literally the group trolling conservatives.

And again, is that it... you only want to remove gay marriage?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

i would agree with you if the schools were mandating anal sex lessons and letting 10 year olds play with butt plugs. but, since those things are happening, the video you say it just "trolling" is actually happening. hello? mcFly?!

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

I await evidence of schools "mandating anal sex lessons" and "letting 10 year olds play with butt plugs".

And, I'll ask again, is that all you wish to do in regard to gay rights: removing gay marriage?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

are your fucking fingers broke? google this:
schools mandating anal sex lessons

also , google this :
teacher buttplug project veritas

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Googled it. Instantly, third result:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/austin-school-district-sex-ed/

"letting 10 year olds play with butt plugs".

Also the controversy here aside, this was for 14-18 year olds, not 10 year olds.

Can you tell me why in the UK this is a non-issue?

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[–] chefao (426) 2 years ago

Absolutely. All it took was for good men to do nothing.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Since you won't answer this, I'll ask it separately:

Is that all you wish to do in regard to gay rights: removing gay marriage?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

you conveniently skipped the first google search to see how schools are mandating anal sex education. so, allowing 14 yr olds to handle butt plugs at school is ok in your book, just so long as it's not 10 yr olds? wtf man!

yes, i already said, take away the marriage b/c that's where all this trouble started. after that, they started to get really brazen. it's a good place to start. take away the marriage stuff, and put them back in the closet.

your fingers must be broke for real. i just googled this, and it's in the UK too:

schools mandating anal sex lessons uk

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

you conveniently skipped the first google search to see how schools are mandating anal sex education. so, allowing 14 yr olds to handle butt plugs at school is ok in your book, just so long as it's not 10 yr olds? wtf man!

It seems to be a Chicago thing in private schools.

yes, i already said, take away the marriage b/c that's where all this trouble started. after that, they started to get really brazen. it's a good place to start. take away the marriage stuff, and put them back in the closet.

So nothing else?

And how would taking away marriage rights "put them back in the closet", may I ask?

schools mandating anal sex lessons uk

Can you show me, specifically, what you're referring to here please? A link.

https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/graphic-leaflet-compulsory-sex-lessons-24846593

Is all I see really, and it's a storm in a teamcup.

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[–] Bloodworth79 (5687) 2 years ago

Hollywood will not produce a show without diversity.
Even if strays from the original.

If you present a story or script and want it to go main stream, you will be forced to allow your characters to be altered.

If you created a story and imagined a character as black, but someone told you it's not being granted and you will not receive huge sums if we are not allowed to make the character white.

Most would feel offended.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

No reason to believe it as such in this case given these are essentially side characters.

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[–] Bloodworth79 (5687) 2 years ago

No reason to believe in reality when creating the side characters the original plans were for white people?
They have teams of people working to try and find ways to work it in anywhere possible.

It's basically law now in hollyweird.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

No reason that the race especially mattered to the creators here. They're not major characters, nor are their traits defined by their race.

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[–] Bloodworth79 (5687) 2 years ago

Ok , but it's straying from the original version.
And done so for underlying reasons.
Worked to fit in anyway possible.
The agenda is strong here.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

All adaptations in some way stray from the original. In the Expanse, they changed the race of Admiral Souther - a side character. It had no impact on anything.

Incidentally, they also changed a black nigerian girl (from the books) into a white girl.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

if whites created the video game, and casted whites in their creation, then the TV show should do the same. if blacks want to go ahead and create something let them do it. there shouldn't have to be token injections of other races into white creations. you don't see whites demanding that a member of NWA has to be white. or, trying to say that black panther's wife should be white do you?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

Muhammad Ali explains why all this race mixing is not natural:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiWFLsgVi4

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Sorry, are you against interracial relationships?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

go watch the video from Muhammad Ali again. he explains my views exactly. blue birds flock with blue birds. that is how nature works. we're supposed to be smarter than animals, but they are getting it right. are you saying that you wouldn't want you child to look like you? to deny a reproduction of yourself like that is going against nature.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

If I had a child with a black person, it would partially look like me.

So you're basically a white nationalist. Nice.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

So, you're saying that Muhammad Ali is wrong for not wanting to deal with all the baggage that comes along with an interracial marriage? or that he's wrong b/c he wants his child to look almost exactly like him? It's ok for a black man to have these views, but not me?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

He can do what he wants. He doesn't speak for every human on earth. You are posting this as if there's something wrong with people who are not you, or Muhammad Ali having interracial relationships.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

you never answered my question. if i was a black man, and wanted to preserve my culture then I'd have a video like Muhammad Ali, and everyone would say I was wise and correct. but, as a white man if i try to say those things, you call me a "white nationalist"

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

No, I don't really like what Muhammad Ali was saying either. Black nationalism is vile too.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

he is only saying that he would like to have a child that is cut from his same cloth. that is not wrong man.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

So is there anything wrong if a white and black person have kids together? Or a Korean and American?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

they can if they want to, but i should be allowed to prefer my own and build up entire communities of those who prefer to be with their own without being called white nationalists or racist b/c we don't want to include mixing in our culture.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

What do you mean "build up entire communities"? Are you calling for a white ethnostate?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

i'm only saying that if we want to "flock together" that should not be considered "un-natural" or racist b/c it is as natural as it gets for chickens to flock with chickens, or blue jays to flock with blue jays. you do not see crows flocking with doves. it's just nature man.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

You are comparing different species to races.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

the comparison works for me in my mind.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

"We can't get an Abyssinian cat and a Siamese, they should be amongst their own"

"Golden Retrievers should not be near German Shepards"

Literally how you sound

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

there's a reason why pure-breads are more sought after

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

They also have worse health problems in general, so actually a terrible example.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

doesn't apply to white people otherwise we'd all be done for by now. still, why would you want to breed out your origins? anyhow, like i said, i don't care if others want to do it. i'm saying it should not be wrong for many whites to want to stay the same, and not be considered racist for avoid the mixing.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

I really don't see the world in terms of race. I really don't care.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

so the mixers can mix, and be ok in the eyes of the public, but if the non-mixers do not want to mix they are racist. is that your stance?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

You don't have to mix, but suggesting you want an ethnostate or segregated communities will be considered a bit suspect.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

why would it be suspect to want to be surrounded by people of like mind and type?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

As in a literal state defined on race-lines. Because historically states that define citizenship by race have been violent, expansionist, hateful, bigoted etc.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

trying to say that just b/c a community does not want to mix that they are hateful and violent is sorta paranoid. there's tribes in africa where suburban white people would not be welcome to set up shop. does that make those african's hateful and violent?

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

Those are primarily uncontacted or barely contacted tribes with a much lower level of technological advancement. Modern society simply does not operate like that.

I suggest, by the way, that you simply boycott all modern TV and film if you just want to watch only things with white people in. Or only watch stuff from Russia or something.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

The maker of Dilbert recently said he has moved back into white dominant neighborhoods for really good reasons. Is he a "dangerous racist too"? https://www.bitchute.com/video/eeGbmC01Xja0

also, the different races and their cultures are so drastically different that they may as well be different species. so Muhammad Ali's point of view holds true.

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

How are Black British people (where I am from) inherently different from me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQTjxEvFgLw&t=10s

These girls of US ancestry grew up in Korea. Are they Korean culturally?

And yes, Scott Adams sounds like a massive as fuck racist lol

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

there may be exceptions here and there, but for the most part, we are very different. our bodies also perform differently. white's have more melanin in their skin, and create more vitamin D because of that. just like different species. Scott Adams helped black people his whole life, but now that he just wants to move around white's he's suddenly a racist?
there's a story in the news recently that says that more black people should become doctors because blacks want to be seen by other black doctors. think about if that story was about a white man who only wanted a white doctor. this culture says that the former is ok, and the latter is racist.. you're all fucked up in the head. hypocrites too!

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[–] Skavau (15993) 2 years ago

It's not just wanting to move away, it's his attitude towards all black people. He makes some outright nasty comments about them.

My other points:

How are Black British people (where I am from) inherently different from me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQTjxEvFgLw&t=10s

These girls of US ancestry grew up in Korea. Are they Korean culturally?

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

well at this point, we both have points that the other is not really addressing... maybe that's a sign that we hang it up now? i dunno man. there's no changing either of our minds, so why continue ya know? maybe someone else will read these comments, and let us know which way they are leaning, and that could be interesting I guess.

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[–] chefao (426) 2 years ago

based black man, if only we were all like this

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[–] GoldenTemple (274) 2 years ago

She was such a great actress in first episode and should have survived imo.

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[–] cyguration (3951) 2 years ago

I couldn't let any of it slide, which is precisely why I didn't bother watching the show at all.

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[–] fzane (1109) 2 years ago

good for you. i'm going to stop watching this trash now as well.

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[–] GoldenTemple (274) 2 years ago

Having not played the game yet the actress who played his daughter did such a brilliant emotional job in first episofe. The father/daughter relationship felt so real.

As for Tommy's wife why didn't they make her Asian as it did feel coincidental that Joel's off screen wife then was Black the same as Tommy's. At least make her Native American or something.

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